Manu said post game he's gonna take some time and think about it... Said he enjoyed the camaraderie and chemistry on this roster a lot (not surprising since LMA was singing Manu praise a couple months ago). I think if Tim retires Manu will follow suit, otherwise I think there's a chance he might come back for one last time on a reduced role (which is what he had this season)
Timmy can do whatever he wants.
If we wants to retire...cool. If he wants to play next year...cool. If he wants to sit on the bench wearing street clothes like Bonner did this year and collect them checks....cool.
Agreed. TD can do whatever the f he wants.
Know how many les Spurs have without TD? Zero
How many 50 win seasons since 99? Zero
All those extra millions from playoff home games? Zero
Playoff appearances since David Robinson hurt his back? Zero
The number of COTY awards Pop would have? 0
Pop would have been out of the league decades ago,
And the Spurs wouldn't even be in San Antonio
Tim Duncan IS THE SPURS MORONS
Well....if Manu and Tim roll out, I expect this team to be significantly worse. They should become background as trainers or assistants if they so very well retire.
The rest of this lot will never get over their denial until reality hits them hard in a couple of years of how significant the drop off was of those two very players. From now and on, I'll assume that 65% of you will not survive the Spurs rebuild if the spurs go through a tough strain or even possibly miss the playoffs. A wild guess is that about 80% of you have never seen this team rebuild...EVER. The Spurs have only not qualified for the playoffs 4 times team history so I doubt the rebuild is a long lasting scenario. The scouts have their eyes on players already.
Overall, there are heavy risks to the rebuild; mediocrity or nba purgatory (nets, Bulls, Portland, ATlanta, Jazz, etc.).
The only thing I'm going to hate when Manu retires is seeing ElNono every game thread repeating over and over again how bad the bench is, even if they're the best in the NBA
I never said they should be happy to just make the playoffs. I want them to win every year as well. I expect them to make moves to get better to try and win a chip. They did that last summer. I expect them to do that again. I don't expect them to actually win it every year to the point that if they don't they are automatically on the wrong path.
They won 67 games this year. If some players didn't choke on wide ass open shots in multiple games they would be playing GS tomorrow. There were some horrible late calls and no calls in multiple games that could have made the difference. If not for those, they might be playing GS tomorrow. If literally four or five of those wide open shots fall, Spurs are in the western conference finals. We probably lose to GS. Should every team rebuild every year until someone beats GS?
If Manu comes back, I think his option is for 2.9 million. TD is 6.5 I think. Bobo's contract is for 7 million next year. As long as Bobo's is payed 7 million for his lackluster play the last two years, yes, TD can come back if he wants. Same for Manu at 2.9 million.
I'm all for getting younger and faster. Start with Bonner. Bobo next. Practically zero chance Miller and Martin are back. Patty is young, he didn't show much much this year. Simmons is a keeper. I know Kyle will be a Spur next year, but Timmy will be faster at 45 years of age than Kyle is at 22. I'm all for some moves to try and get younger and more athletic, but 9.4 million in trade for Timmy and Manu is not the only place to look.
You got one thing exactly right. Timmy and Manu will want to come back if they think they can win a chip.
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but you'll be "+1 fat head" every time.The only thing I'm going to hate when Manu retires is seeing ElNono every game thread repeating over and over again how bad the bench is, even if they're the best in the NBA
spoken as the last surviving Magic fan, eh?
Those of us who have been through the 1997 tank season might stand a chance, that was a serious fun season. And of course, 6 is our defense against all hardships.
The biggest thing is that some fans will reject players with ego. WE could withstand S jax and parker because tim was always the alpha omega.
A rebuild will likely include trading away a late prime kawhi. That is unless he wins multiple championships then he can get the TOSB treatment. But shipping him off for a lottery pick will be key in any rebuild and with the lottery you really can't afford to wait for those high character players.
You take best talent and work from there. If that is someone like Lillard (plz no Snitches though), then so be it, that's the spurs.
Same with coaches. Don't pick the pop acolyte just because it feels right, pick the best coach even if that coach doesn't share pop's values.
If Kyle sticks around I feel you're going to hear that a lot, tbh...The only thing I'm going to hate when Manu retires is seeing ElNono every game thread repeating over and over again how bad the bench is, even if they're the best in the NBA
Hope he improves though
Damn y'all are right. We're ed. Fat head playing pointIf Kyle sticks around I feel you're going to hear that a lot, tbh...
Hope he improves though
Would like to see Tim and Manu back just to make it 15 years as a trio with Tony.
Really? Then maybe you can be a fan of a team that is 20 games under 500 before the All-Star break. See how much fun the regular season is.
It routinely amazes me how spoiled this fan base is. Magic Johnson who is pretty much universally regarded as a top-five player of all-time has five championship rings. Tim Duncan has five in his era as a spur. Exactly how many les did you think the spurs were going to win with Tim Duncan?
Yes sirrrrr..
This is the problem I see with them returning. Can they pitch in here and there? Sure. RS cupcake teams they will defeat and get us in garbage time early but that is fool's gold in the end and it does two bad things for younger players:
1. It doesn't allow them to struggle and develop into the roles you want them to play in the postseason while they are the ones defeating the cupcake teams not the vets. If you don't expose the younger players to this on the regular, when the postseason arrives and the vets shrink or can't carry the burden, the younger players "are not ready." The really wild like Simmons will impersonate the worst Turnobili you have ever seen, while guys like Boban will foul out faster than you can count to 6, the careful guys like Kyle will disappear. If you don't want this to happen, you have to rely on these (or any other young players we may have) through thick and thin, and they must own a sense of responsibility for the team... the sensation that "this team goes as I go."
2. Now that we are retooling, you have to let younger players struggle through the regular season and overcome, and struggle they will, yes. They may not even approach initially the washed up versions of the vets, but rising and overcoming is the only way guys improve.
3. Agree with you 100% I feel Pop will get angry with youngsters, bench them a whole lot and play the old guys, instead of coaching the youth. I didn't like that about Messina either (riding Timmy and Manu when they were cold and having bad games... I have seen that often before). If you are going to ride someone who is going to have a bad game anyways, ride the youngsters all the way.
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It was never reported as injury. As far as I know it was knee soreness, and frankly it sounded age related, thus he was allowed to rest until he himself pushed Pop to let him play although he didn't look anywhere near 100% at any point after that.
Exactly. Some posters correctly identified the Spurs as fool's gold this season, when I was uncertain but hopeful that they were wrong. Retaining Tim and Manu would make the Spurs real fool's gold next season. That couple of games that Messina coached drove me nuts. I fear that would be the norm once again. You are absolutely correct about Simmons and Anderson. I have consistently called them both Spurs TNG, but it is time to find out. If those guys live up to the potential that we have seen in flashes, then we have some answers to a couple of big questions. If not, we need to cut ties and find some other guys capable of being reliable rotation contributors. That time is now.
This has nothing to do with the Spurs not winning this year. It has everything to do with Manu and Tim being done and the team needing to move on. You act like the Spurs are a lock to be an elite team with those two on the roster next year. They're not. They lack talent all over the place, and they need to replace it by seriously rebuilding the 4-15 on the roster. They can't afford for their depth to get worse for a fourth straight year. It's showing now. There aren't spoiled fans here, but there are a number of them that lack perspective.
Oh, and obviously Tim and Manu can do what they want. They have player options for that reason. Just a pointless interjection to say something so obvious.
Stfu tbh or better yet tbqh you wouldnt even be talking about the Spurs save for Duncan and Manu they can stay they can retire they can coach they can be starters if they want. Duncan and Manu are the Spurs and can do what ever the they want and tell me again how have you contributed to even one le run sitting in your underwear on your lazy boy drinking a beer... Please off for you to tell them they got to go off and be an okc fan you see how many parades you enjoy get the out of here
I always thought it'd be cool to have a legends league. Say a four team set up of guys who played at least 6 years and aren't ready to retire. Like imagine something like the Kobe show but not in the context of compe ive basketball.
The all star game is because players don't get to practice so it's 100% heroball.
it could be a win win since you'd offer a way for teams to offload contracts but not shaft guys out of their contract $$.
Basically i am always looking to bail the NBA out of their slide towards 100 games a year. In a weak league i want some distractions.
Tantrum like a little kid. Pathetic. Newsflash, you baby: None of us are on a two-way radio with Manu and Tim. We aren't "telling" them . We are talking about whether them being on the roster helps the team more next year than the team going in a different direction. Take your tears and shove them up your ass if you can't handle it.
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