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    The officiating bias was evident to everyone.

    And this has always been a recurring theme in many of the Spurs' playoff series. Many blamed it on the small market. But if the coach never had the balls to call this out publicly like many other coaches have, the team would not be so routinely disadvantaged to such blatant levels.
    I can't figure it out and know it is what is. They are only going to say 'my bad' the following day. I also get why posters get annoyed with people complaining about the officiating- perhaps they think it's just fine, know there is nothing they can do about, or they haven't seen the plays. I believe it changed the outcome of two games. Even Pop is saying the same thing and mentioned the 'calls' in game 2&5 not going our way. In tight games it matters.

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    You can have the better team but coaching could have lost you the game/series.
    Coach is part of the "best" in the team.

    It doesn't matter how you spin it, if you lose you weren't the best. You can say the game was rigged but that just means you weren't the best at whatever it took to rig it in your favor.

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    This is like the argument against "survival of the fittest" by saying "he was in better shape but died anyhow". If the best team lost, that pretty much cancels out the concept of being best. Being "fittest" just means you have what you need to survive, whatever that may be. It's a hindsight view, just like "best team".
    That's a fair view of it. I think in most instances it's the correct one. I think you can have both views. That the majority of time it's like how you describe and other times there's situations where either or both teams play well beyond or below their statistical means and by virtue of nothing the opponent is doing.

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    Did you even watch the games to see how Kawhi was clobbered attacking the rim without getting any foul calls? There's even a highlight video of a Kawhi dunk while clearly getting hit in the head by Westbrook without getting a foul call. If trips to the rim are low percentage shots due to the hammering without getting foul calls, don't you think that shooting jump shots may possibly be an adjustment just to get higher percentage shots?
    there were no calls on both ends, for sure. the difference was rw kept attacking kl did not. no matter how the game changes you will always need a slasher. 2 max players on sa and one max coach who couldn't figure that out

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    Spurs didn't seem too interested in winning, and not too upset about losing.
    5 calmed them all down to that point now IMHO.

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    I don't think Pop could have done anything to really counter Kanter/Adams. The Spurs personnel didn't matchup with those 2 bigs and Donovan took advantage. Pop could have made adjustments earlier in the series like playing Boban but I'm not sure if that makes much of a difference. Any possible key adjustments Pop could have made would have probably most likely failed. This series to me is completely different compared to the other series the spurs have lost where I felt Pop screwed up by not making adjustments ala going with small ball in '06 against the Mavs. I can't be upset at Pop in this series because I think nothing could work against the Thunders bigs. It was basically LMA vs Ibaka,Adams,Kanter for the whole entire series. Diaw is washed up,West is undersized, and Tim rapidly declined. Spurs had nothing to counter those guys.
    Right, he waited too long to make a change but honestly he didn't have the roster to beat OKC and I think he said as much after the series saying the bench is not what we thought it was. The bench seriously faded this year, that used to be their strong point. No change was going to fully change this series as far as a move goes, they just did not match up well with OKC at all down there and it came through in that series. I agree on what you said above.

    He could have tried some Boban but I doubt that makes or breaks this series.

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    Don't know how many adjustments needed to be made. Out of the games we lost only one was out of control and that was the last one, the others we should've of won but they played like they wanted it more. I can almost guarantee the same thing would've happened if adjustments were made.
    Guy messed up by not making offensive adjustments in the regular season tbh

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    He could have tried some Boban but I doubt that makes or breaks this series.
    Just the same way Splitter wouldn't have made a difference in '11 or a healthy Splitter last year.

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    Just the same way Splitter wouldn't have made a difference in '11 or a healthy Splitter last year.
    He tried that too late in 11 no doubt and relied on Bonner for Gods sakes. A healthy Splitter though??? Wtf is that? Does not exist..

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    I think much of you are right. Pop could have made adjustments, but it was also a matter of bad match up and the players being able to help on the match up not being able too, like Timmy getting finally old.

    Refs were definitely important. Spurs had a low margin of error, and I think those games decided by the refs ended up killing their hope or motivation.

    I think it is very possible that the Thunder actually improved and learned to play better together, but it wouldn't surprised me if they didn't.

    Once they face the Warriors, they won't have the ref advantage, if they choke the Warriors will execute and have ref help as well.

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    I'm just pissed we didn't play 91239128391283 minutes of LMA-Diaw-Kawhistic-Green-Ginobili

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    5 calmed them all down to that point now IMHO.
    thats the exact vib i get...Like even the fans don't care any more. Look at at&t at tip of and compare to okc and warriors and Cleveland and toronto

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    thats the exact vib i get...Like even the fans don't care any more. Look at at&t at tip of and compare to okc and warriors and Cleveland and toronto
    Yes, it's sad to see the fans not getting up for the games and making any noise anymore like they used to. If this was 99 or 03 those fans would have been going nuts, way before they were content and very spoiled. I wanted that le for them so bad back then I was even loud in the house and would go crazy, later on I even calmed down so I am guilty of that as well. It's hard to get into the games like you used to when the team started it's run.

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    Yes, it's sad to see the fans not getting up for the games and making any noise anymore like they used to. If this was 99 or 03 those fans would have been going nuts, way before they were content and very spoiled. I wanted that le for them so bad back then I was even loud in the house and would go crazy, later on I even calmed down so I am guilty of that as well. It's hard to get into the games like you used to when the team started it's run.

    you know what this makes me think of...as fans we have become "content" and not as hungry as we used to be back in the day in the late 90s and early 2000s during, i remember gathering 20-30 friends in a house to watch spurs playoff games...its just not like that any more, we have nothing else to experience or win that we have not already done in our lifetime so you lose that edge. So if we as fan feel like this, why do we expect duncan,parker,manu, pop, rc, and peter holt expect to feel differently, they are human too...Thinking about how much the team has changed from the start of the run to now represents how the city has changed too...

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    you know what this makes me think of...as fans we have become "content" and not as hungry as we used to be back in the day in the late 90s and early 2000s during, i remember gathering 20-30 friends in a house to watch spurs playoff games...its just not like that any more, we have nothing else to experience or win that we have not already done in our lifetime so you lose that edge. So if we as fan feel like this, why do we expect duncan,parker,manu, pop, rc, and peter holt expect to feel differently, they are human too...Thinking about how much the team has changed from the start of the run to now represents how the city has changed too...
    Sad but true man, could not have said it better myself. Tim still wants to win like crazy and you can tell but he was even smiling at the end of the OKC game 6 and looked to be in a content mood like I have done what I could in my career and he looked satisfied, he never used to look like that after a series was over and they lost... They have earned it no doubt and I am proud of them, but the drive is not what it was say in 1999, 2003 or even the redemption in 2014, those teams were HUNGRY and not going to be denied. I agree with all you said above.

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    Sad but true man, could not have said it better myself. Tim still wants to win like crazy and you can tell but he was even smiling at the end of the OKC game 6 and looked to be in a content mood like I have done what I could in my career and he looked satisfied, he never used to look like that after a series was over and they lost... They have earned it no doubt and I am proud of them, but the drive is not what it was say in 1999, 2003 or even the redemption in 2014, those teams were HUNGRY and not going to be denied. I agree with all you said above.

    COMPLETELY AGREE ABOUT TIM AT THE END OF THE GAME, in a weird way it made me feel better bc i felt the same way about him and the team, like he did everything he could and we have experienced everything there is to feel, I'm okay right now. Like it didn't sting like the past years felt, we feel like how tim feels.
    What a once in a life man and player. The experienced we have felt over the past 17 years with him and this team we will never feel again in our lives. there are cubs fans who are 80 years old and haven't felt that once...
    remember those Alamodome games rocking 38 k strong with stan kelly yelling "TIIIIIIIIIIIM DUNCAAAAN....TIM DUNCAN!" watching spurs playoff games in the springtime in san antonio...good times

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    COMPLETELY AGREE ABOUT TIM AT THE END OF THE GAME, in a weird way it made me feel better bc i felt the same way about him and the team, like he did everything he could and we have experienced everything there is to feel, I'm okay right now. Like it didn't sting like the past years felt, we feel like how tim feels.
    What a once in a life man and player. The experienced we have felt over the past 17 years with him and this team we will never feel again in our lives. there are cubs fans who are 80 years old and haven't felt that once...
    remember those Alamodome games rocking 38 k strong with stan kelly yelling "TIIIIIIIIIIIM DUNCAAAAN....TIM DUNCAN!" watching spurs playoff games in the springtime in san antonio...good times
    Nothing like those days man, we will never see that again or not in the near future as fans. We definitely had/have it good. I remember how I used to be the day before a game and that day just waiting for it to come on and the anticipation, 2003 I think I was at my peak on that end of things and man I really USED TO GET INTO IT. I do still get into it and cheer but not as much as those days man, they were still VERY hungry then and out to prove things IMO. Those were fun days.

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