Realitic Trade Options for Tony Parker?

[cjw]

KD pulling a Parker right now by chucking and missing.

If Parker in fact wants to play to 40, he'll definitely be relegated to the bench by the end of his career. Also at a much cheaper cost. Against lesser defenders, he can actually still be productive against other teams benches.

[Brazil]

$14M per year or $14.5M for 2 years? There's a massive difference between the two.

If I'm not mistaken he had a 14 M year before the two years 14M.. He was 35

[Brazil]

We will see. I hope so. I think he deserves to be a Spur until he's done & want him to be. I hope he's ok transitioning into a bench player as that would be a big help (assuming SA finds a starting caliber PG).

He will be fine with that tbh... If Spurs can sign a young guy, he will ease transition and mentor

[Snaq O'Meal]

If I'm not mistaken he had a 14 M year before the two years 14M.. He was 35

Manu was paid $7.5M when he was 35 and $7M when he was 36.

Source: http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-anton...manu-ginobili/

Saying he was paid $14M when he was 35 is blatantly inflating that figure by almost 100%.

[HI-FI]

He will be fine with that tbh... If Spurs can sign a young guy, he will ease transition and mentor

You think so? I could see him pouting and then Pop caving in for his favorite son imo. If Parker is cool with coming off the bench, that would be great.

[palangi]

I'm changing my draft from this layout.

I think that the 76ers are our best trade option. They have tons of cap space. They are extremely young. Have a coach who used to be in the spurs system and runs our system. They don't have a PG of the future on the team. So tony can step in and be the veteran leader and try to help develop a future guy in the next two years. Also help with the offensive system. Boris Diaw also gets thrown in as well to help out the younger guys and the second unit.
So Philly gets Tony and Diaw
We get one of their 3 first round picks, #24. We also get Jerami Grant thrown in too. A young athletic SF to help out Kawhi. They have Covington who starts already and Hollis Thompson. They also have the first pick and will take either Simmons or Ingram who can play the SF too.

We take our first round pick, #29, and Kyle Anderson and trade them to Boston for Marcus Smart and 2 of their 5 second round picks (#35 and #45). Giving them 4 first rounders now and 3 second rounders. Boston has Isaiah Thomas starting at PG and Avery Bradley who can also play it. They also drafted Terry Rozier last year. So Smart might be available. Smart brings a tough guy and an at ude that we need a little of. and he is young (23), and has good size (6'4" with a 6'10 wingspan) and athleticism.

Free agency-
The one guy we go after is Jokim Noah. A true center to play next to Aldridge.
Boban is also brought back

Europe guys-
Davis Bertans is brought over to be the stretch 4 off the bench.
Either LJC or Cady Lalanne comes as the 3rd PF. a young athletic big here.

Retirement- Duncan, Manu, and West all retire.
Draft-
1. Wayne Baldwin PG- a big physical PG. can play good defense. is a good shooter. and has good athleticism. can finish at the rim. Not soft layups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mDMcyVhDps

2. Wayne Selden SG 6'5"- has very good length with a 6'10.5" wingspan. A tough kid that has very good athleticism. Is a good shooter also. Potential to be a very good 3 and D type player. Has a tough personality and is aggressive. we need more guys like this. can finish at the rim. Not soft layups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFChabQ8Ym0

2. Prince Ibeh C 6'11"- Great athlete. Great rim protector and rebounder. has a short range hook game on offense. but most of his production comes from alley oops and putbacks. But we need some athleticism and a guy that can rock the rim. Has an incredible wing span too(7'5.5") and a great standing reach at 9'4.5". he has enough quickness to guard out on the edge too. Not just a down low guy. but can really help on pick and rolls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PInozFInqvw

PG- Smart, Baldwin, Mills
SG- Green, Selden, Simmons
SF- Leonard, Grant
PF- Aldridge, Bertans, LJC/Lalanne
C- Noah, Ibeh, Boban

[Nbadan]

The one guy we go after is Jokim Noah. A true center to play next to Aldridge

You think Noah is gonna give the Spurs more options than Gasol? Isn't Matt Barnes sorta like a cheaper Noah?

[Nbadan]

Boban is also brought back

Only if the price is right...I would prefer a big guy with more versatility and possible up-side like Plumlee

[Brazil]

Manu was paid $7.5M when he was 35 and $7M when he was 36.

Source: http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-anton...manu-ginobili/

Saying he was paid $14M when he was 35 is blatantly inflating that figure by almost 100%.

and you are blatantly an idiot, he received a salary of 14M in season 2012 -2013. He is born in 1977, do the math

[Brazil]

You think so? I could see him pouting and then Pop caving in for his favorite son imo. If Parker is cool with coming off the bench, that would be great.

He always praised Manu for doing just that his whole career.. Dude is proud to be part of a team that put ego in check and to accept whatever role pop has for him. so yeah I think he will be fine. Coming off the bench would be good for him and for the Spurs imho

[timtonymanu]

He always praised Manu for doing just that his whole career.. Dude is proud to be part of a team that put ego in check and to accept whatever role pop has for him. so yeah I think he will be fine. Coming off the bench would be good for him and for the Spurs imho

Yep. They won't trade him and he's obviously not a good fit in the starting lineup anymore especially since the top teams all have PGs in their prime.

coming off the bench would be the best option especially since Manu won't return.

[Chinook]

There are a lot of players playing off the bench for 14 M starting with Manu who played for 14 M off the bench at 35 y/o and the cap space was much lower.

The Spurs needing cap space makes this a completely different issue. When they were free to be over the cap, they could afford to pay guys like Jefferson and Jack eight figures or pay McDyess three million bucks not to play. Since the Spurs have too many holes to stay over the cap, They can't afford to commit so much money to one position. And having Mills making $3.5 Million or whatever to be a third-stringer would only make matters worse.

The issue is, the team isn't going to find many guys who can push Parker to the bench while still being cheap enough to not have them commit that money. Had they kept Joseph, maybe that would have been the plan. The only one I can think of now is Clarkson. Maybe Jrue in a trade, but I dunno if I'd give up a lot of value given his injury history. People are getting paid this summer.

[Brazil]

The Spurs needing cap space makes this a completely different issue. When they were free to be over the cap, they could afford to pay guys like Jefferson and Jack eight figures or pay McDyess three million bucks not to play. Since the Spurs have too many holes to stay over the cap, They can't afford to commit so much money to one position. And having Mills making $3.5 Million or whatever to be a third-stringer would only make matters worse.

The issue is, the team isn't going to find many guys who can push Parker to the bench while still being cheap enough to not have them commit that money. Had they kept Joseph, maybe that would have been the plan. The only one I can think of now is Clarkson. Maybe Jrue in a trade, but I dunno if I'd give up a lot of value given his injury history. People are getting paid this summer.

In 2012-2013, they had Jax at 10 M off the bench and Manu 14 M off the bench, Danny was starting at SG at 3,5 M, that's 24 M only with those two but yes I'm aware Kawhi was cheap at that time. Nevertheless Cap space is gonna be much larger, so TP's contract won't hurt as much as in the past. Remaining "Big" contracts off the bench are Boris at 6M iirc and patty at 3-4M. Spurs have holes but mainly C and PG if we consider TP needs to come off the bench.

Now truth is you are right decent PGs are around 8-10 M, I don't see Conley coming for much less than that. So yeah it's not an easy equation but does not mean it cannot be done

[Chinook]

In 2012-2013, they had Jax at 10 M off the bench and Manu 14 M off the bench, Danny was starting at SG at 3,5 M, that's 24 M only with those two but yes I'm aware Kawhi was cheap at that time. Nevertheless Cap space is gonna be much larger, so TP's contract won't hurt as much as in the past. Remaining "Big" contracts off the bench are Boris at 6M iirc and patty at 3-4M. Spurs have holes but mainly C and PG if we consider TP needs to come off the bench.

Now truth is you are right decent PGs are around 8-10 M, I don't see Conley coming for much less than that. So yeah it's not an easy equation but does not mean it cannot be done

Conley's going to get maxed out. That's $26 Million. Add in Parker's $14.5 Million and Patty's $3.5 Million, and that's $44 Million in one position. That's crazy-different than 2012-2013, where the four wings combined for $29.4 Million. It's not remotely similar.

[Brazil]

Conley's going to get maxed out. That's $26 Million. Add in Parker's $14.5 Million and Patty's $3.5 Million, and that's $44 Million in one position. That's crazy-different than 2012-2013, where the four wings combined for $29.4 Million. It's not remotely similar.

I did not follow Conley at all so I'm a bit surprised that he could be maxed out... that would be crazy but I trust your insight. Now if it is the case obviously its a no go for the Spurs.

[Chinook]

I did not follow Conley at all so I'm a bit surprised that he could be maxed out... that would be crazy but I trust your insight. Now if it is the case obviously its a no go for the Spurs.

Yeah. It's a product of this summer. He might take slightly less to go to a good situation, but he'll be making at least $20 Million. If he were in the $8-10 Million range, this thread would have a completely different timbre.

[Maddog]

I did not follow Conley at all so I'm a bit surprised that he could be maxed out... that would be crazy but I trust your insight. Now if it is the case obviously its a no go for the Spurs.

I can't see Conley getting maxed out. He's good, but not that good. But, I've been surprised before.

[Brazil]

Yeah. It's a product of this summer. He might take slightly less to go to a good situation, but he'll be making at least $20 Million. If he were in the $8-10 Million range, this thread would have a completely different timbre.

if they give 20 M at Conley, Parker 14M is almost a steal

[Brazil]

Yeah. It's a product of this summer. He might take slightly less to go to a good situation, but he'll be making at least $20 Million. If he were in the $8-10 Million range, this thread would have a completely different timbre.

I thought he would go for around 40 M 4 years or something tbh

[Escawun3]

Would Memphis sign and trade Conley for Tony and Patty?

[TheDoctor]

PG- Smart, Baldwin, Mills
SG- Green, Selden, Simmons
SF- Leonard, Grant
PF- Aldridge, Bertans, LJC/Lalanne
C- Noah, Ibeh, Boban

Dude Smart and Noah are trash, dumpster-fire type of trash. To that level. TP's a better option and Noah can't stay healthy. He is Tiago's new coming.

[DarrinS]

You think Noah is gonna give the Spurs more options than Gasol? Isn't Matt Barnes sorta like a cheaper Noah?

Wtf?

[Chingo Bling]

Would Memphis sign and trade Conley for Tony and Patty?

This! Por favor, Memphis. Give the Spurs 1 pg for 2! I only hope the Spurs are smart enough to start giving away their depth for the unknown.

No mames, buey

[SASdynasty!]

Notice how the majority of the people who want us to hold on to parker till the end of his contract are fans of other teams, trolls, or jingoistic frenchies.

Nope, just know that Parker (as was said above) is the most accomplished PG of his era by far. He's sent home countless other PGs for decades all the way back to Gary Payton, Marbury, Kidd, Fisher, Nash, Billups, Bibby, Iverson, Harris, Jason & Deron Williams to CP3, Westbrook, Lilliard, Conley, Curry, etc. in the modern era. He's knocked so many elite PGs out of the playoffs it's really not even funny at this point.

He's still valuable in the sense that the Spurs haven't lost a playoff series in the last 4 years where Parker led the team in scoring (6-0 over that stretch). I'm not saying he needs to lead the team in scoring again...I get we need to transition, but we all see what happens when your best offensive creator (by far) only gets 6-8 shots a game.

[mo7888]

There are just so many ways this can go. A few teams would value what TP brings and would give something for veteran leadership. Milwaukee, Philly, possibly Utah and Orlando come to mind. Indy might be interested too but, it's hard to see a trade that works for both teams there. I think there are workable deals that can be made and would benefit both teams. A different approach (if we can't sign Conley) is to go after MCW without including TP....Something like our 1st and Mills or KA for MCW. He's young, athletic, has length, and is unselfish.