Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[Chinook]

I couldn't disagree more about a few things here.

Of course.

Miles, in the right motion offense like Hornaceks 2 years ago, was very productive on BOTH ends and was a big reason for their success that season (13-14). Jason Kidd's offense is heavy ISO and Kidd didn't give him a lot of playing time because of Monroe's signing and Jabari Parker.

That literally has nothing to do with what I said except that you might think Plumlee is a starter. But he played 24 mpg that one good year, and in the same offense, he went right back to obscurity the next year. He hasn't proven to be a legit starter anywhere. Even if you think he can be great in an ideal situation, that is not and will not be the SL with Kawhi and LMA slowing the pace down. Second unit? Good chance.

Right now, his value is as low as it can get and Bucks will more than likely not match. It's not far-fetched to assume that by the way Kidd utilized him on the bench last year.

That's possible, but it's not obvious, given that he still put up decent stats. If the Bucks tender him, they'll match any contract the Spurs should give Miles.

Sullinger on the other hand checks no boxes for me, plus Celtics will likely match anything reasonable.

Sullinger and Plumlee have two different definitions of what "reasonable" is. Any contract Miles could get would be matched by Boston, I agree. But if Amir is kept (and we should know this before the end of the moratorium), they won't be in position to match offers. And if they cut Amir, then he becomes a primary target himself. The rest is probably best left unremarked on. Sully runs the rim all the time. He wouldn't be a great offensive rebounder if he didn't get to the rim during most plays. Besides his height, there's no reason to act like he isn't an inside presence.

Spurs have a better chance to pry away Miles Plumlee than Sullinger -- any objective mind would agree with that.

No one has disagreed. Boban is much easier to pry away Sullinger too. It's really easy to overpay Plumlee. Anything over like $3 or $4 Million would do it. Much harder to overpay Sullinger, because he's worth like $12 Million a year. That means nothing. I'd rather have someone like Thompson than Baynes for what they're being paid.

[Chinook]

I haven't read every post, but have read threads about whether Diaw should stay. I read some interesting theories by Chinook of how they could 'stretch' his contract so it wouldn't be so much money against the cap. That being said Diaw
has been formidable on our team. The inclusion of West has given us an abundance of4's. Our problems were with playing them together. It seems like both are too good to be the third string PF. So maybe that will come into play this summer.

My other question is whether Pop is going to play Boban in the first or second unit? If Tim returns he can either start or come off the bench, but we need another big to match up with OKC. Will Pop develop Boban into a viable playoff piece?

There's a very legit chance Boban isn't part of the team next year. His contract is extremely awkward, and unless he just straight-up signs his QO, the Spurs are going to have a lot of thinking to do to see how much they're willing to pay him and how that number fits into their scenarios.

[palangi]

Of course.



That literally has nothing to do with what I said except that you might think Plumlee is a starter. But he played 24 mpg that one good year, and in the same offense, he went right back to obscurity the next year. He hasn't proven to be a legit starter anywhere. Even if you think he can be great in an ideal situation, that is not and will not be the SL with Kawhi and LMA slowing the pace down. Second unit? Good chance.



That's possible, but it's not obvious, given that he still put up decent stats. If the Bucks tender him, they'll match any contract the Spurs should give Miles.



Sullinger and Plumlee have two different definitions of what "reasonable" is. Any contract Miles could get would be matched by Boston, I agree. But if Amir is kept (and we should know this before the end of the moratorium), they won't be in position to match offers. And if they cut Amir, then he becomes a primary target himself. The rest is probably best left unremarked on. Sully runs the rim all the time. He wouldn't be a great offensive rebounder if he didn't get to the rim during most plays. Besides his height, there's no reason to act like he isn't an inside presence.



No one has disagreed. Boban is much easier to pry away Sullinger too. It's really easy to overpay Plumlee. Anything over like $3 or $4 Million would do it. Much harder to overpay Sullinger, because he's worth like $12 Million a year. That means nothing. I'd rather have someone like Thompson than Baynes for what they're being paid.

I've never seen a more egotistical blowhard on the internet than this guy. A whole lot of nothing here in your write up. You keep arguing for another undersized below the rim PF. Yes let's pair him with west and Diaw. Great choice. Should really help our defense? And while you're at it why don't you fight for your boy LJC to come over? Apparently you think he is ready, although he really struggled in the summer league last year. But Plumlee is no good? BLOWHARD!

[TD 21]

First, because I'd be willing to give the Lakers something in order to secure a S&T. Second, because the Lakers would be inking a 6/6/22/24 deal rather than a 14x4 deal. It's not a given at all that they'll want to pay Clarkson that kind of money when they AREN'T flush with the space. Third, because the team can't go into this off-season playing it safe. They can certainly move on to plans B, C, etc. when they strike out. But they should be thinking of locking in a permanent piece or two under this lower cap as a main priority.



Eh, it wouldn't take a huge offer. They have guys like Amir and Jerebko on whom they'll have to make a decision before the moratorium and young guys like Zeller. Plus, they're in position to draft Bender. And of course, they could be a destination for Howard, Horford or Gasol. If they make the personnel sacrifices to keep him on board, that's fine. I'll take either of Johnson or Johannes any day. Again, though, you go in there swinging for the fences.

So why do I think he'd count as a home run? Because he pretty much checks ALL of the boxes. He's a great screener who can either pop or roll well enough to put pressure on the defense. He can defend the PnR, which is a much bigger need in the SL than blocking shots. He can defend in the post (as well as score there), which is needed given the remaining guys on roster. He'd benefit tremendously from having a more-defined role with the Spurs with better shots.

He seems somewhere between Tristan Thompson and Aldridge in what he tries to do on the court. Dude's just 24. He has a great chance to get significantly better. And as far as culture goes, if he can hang with Stevens' team, he should be good enough for Pop's. For the money he'll command, he should be a great value to the team. Getting any combination of Johnson/Sullinger/Gasol and Clarkson/Gordon/some other scoring guard would be go a long way to fixing this team.

In terms of what could be realistically offered, the Spurs don't have the asset(s) for Clarkson. It may not be a given, but team's almost always bite the bullet, if for no other reason than asset retention (Harris and Kanter, were last year's examples of this). I agree that the Spurs can't play it safe, but they've also got to be realistic and that means not wasting time on lost causes.

I said Sullinger is potentially attainable, but I wouldn't want to pay what it'll cost, as he's not a good fit. They need a rolling, rim protecting, rebounding center and a stretch power forward and one of the two has to be a mobile defender; he's neither. He doesn't cons ute swinging for the fences. The only boxes he checks are plus rebounding and decent passing.

I've always liked Johnson, a jack of all trades, master of none type, but he's permanently gimpy and his rebounding and rim protection have declined in recent seasons.

If they're looking for Duncan and Ginobili archetypes, I suspect they'll pursue Gasol and Vasquez. Never been a fan of the latter though.

[palangi]

In terms of what could be realistically offered, the Spurs don't have the asset(s) for Clarkson. It may not be a given, but team's almost always bite the bullet, if for no other reason than asset retention (Harris and Kanter, were last year's examples of this). I agree that the Spurs can't play it safe, but they've also got to be realistic and that means not wasting time on lost causes.

I said Sullinger is potentially attainable, but I wouldn't want to pay what it'll cost, as he's not a good fit. They need a rolling, rim protecting, rebounding center and a stretch power forward and one of the two has to be a mobile defender; he's neither. He doesn't cons ute swinging for the fences. The only boxes he checks are plus rebounding and decent passing.

I've always liked Johnson, a jack of all trades, master of none type, but he's permanently gimpy and his rebounding and rim protection have declined in recent seasons.

If they're looking for Duncan and Ginobili archetypes, I suspect they'll pursue Gasol and Vasquez. Never been a fan of the latter though.

Personally I'd like to see Joakim Noah and Miles Plumlee both brought in. I know Noah is old and had some injuries but he would be great next to LMA. Exactly what we need. And Pop could manage his minutes.

[ace3g]

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[apalisoc_9]

I've never been a Carter-Williams fan, but unfortunately, he's along the lines of what I could see them pursuing. To be fair, he does check some boxes, strikes me as a Spur and his stock is low enough that something like Mills, 29 and maybe Simmons, if necessary, might get it done.

Aquiring Carter Williams checks two important boxes against a potential OKC and Warriors matchup. Attacking the weak PG penetrations defense and kills The westbrook and Livingston post ups.

It does however limit our best offensive player spacing not to mention it could get tricky finding MCW williams playing time when Kawhi starts handling the ball more. We saw in the playoffs that Pop is willing to give Kawhi the handling responsibility in crunch time.

It will also ruin Aldridge Pick and Pop game. If the spurs are looming to get williams, they need to aquire a legit Center that can roll as thats the only way he opens up the shooters.

[apalisoc_9]

Sullinger is also a terrible fit. Just silly and ridiculous.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Aquiring Carter Williams checks two important boxes against a potential OKC and Warriors matchup. Attacking the weak PG penetrations defense and kills The westbrook and Livingston post ups.

It does however limit our best offensive player spacing not to mention it could get tricky finding MCW williams playing time when Kawhi starts handling the ball more. We saw in the playoffs that Pop is willing to give Kawhi the handling responsibility in crunch time.

It will also ruin Aldridge Pick and Pop game. If the spurs are looming to get williams, they need to aquire a legit Center that can roll as thats the only way he opens up the shooters.

Pity he went away from this when it mattered in the last few minutes of game 5.

[ace3g]

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[apalisoc_9]

Pity he went away from this when it mattered in the last few minutes of game 5.

Pops call.

No one in the team calls a specific way of playing except for Pop. Other stars have the luxury to do what they want because there is no pop.

[TD 21]

Personally I'd like to see Joakim Noah and Miles Plumlee both brought in. I know Noah is old and had some injuries but he would be great next to LMA. Exactly what we need. And Pop could manage his minutes.

Though they have some mending of fences to do, Noah is probably going to re-sign. Even if he doesn't, he's still probably going to be out of the Spurs' price range.

Plumlee might not even receive his qualifying offer. Even though they project to have a lot of cap space and it's a relatively modest $3.1M, presuming they're both retained, they'll be paying over $29M to Monroe and Henson combined next season and they supposedly tried to trade Plumlee last season anyway.

Aquiring Carter Williams checks two important boxes against a potential OKC and Warriors matchup. Attacking the weak PG penetrations defense and kills The westbrook and Livingston post ups.

It does however limit our best offensive player spacing not to mention it could get tricky finding MCW williams playing time when Kawhi starts handling the ball more. We saw in the playoffs that Pop is willing to give Kawhi the handling responsibility in crunch time.

It will also ruin Aldridge Pick and Pop game. If the spurs are looming to get williams, they need to aquire a legit Center that can roll as thats the only way he opens up the shooters.

I know, but the reality is, they're not going to find someone that checks all the boxes, which is the exact reason I wouldn't off hand dismiss Carter-Williams.

Considering their limited assets and financial constraints, the best possible Ginobili archetypes are probably the likes of Vasquez and De Colo (whose rights they'd have to acquire first). But there's no more upside to them and they can't guard dynamic/physically imposing point guards.

Obviously, they should and more than likely will attempt to do better than all of them, but they also have to be realistic.

[ace3g]

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26 4h4 hours ago #Spurs ass't James Borrego arrives for his interview with #Rockets: "We look forward to commenting at a future date"






ark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26 4h4 hours ago #Spurs ass't James Borrego arrives at Bush IAH for his interview with the #Rockets. He's also a finalist in Memphis

[ace3g]

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[tholdren]

Get rid of either RC or Pop

[td4mvp2k]

Get rid of either RC or Pop

[TheGreatYacht]

My dream offseason:

• Trade Kyle Anderson for a 2nd rnd pick
• Sign P. Gasol, T. Mozgov, M. Barnes, and T. Robinson
• Trade Green, Diaw, and Mills for Jeff Teague
• Ginobili uses his player option
• Fill roster with 16' and past draft picks
• Bring in DJ Stephens from the D-League. 46" vertical, good defender

C: Gasol/Mozgov/Lallane
PF: Aldridge/Robinson/Bertans
SF: Leonard/Barnes/DJ Stephens
SG: 1st rnd pick/Ginobili/Simmons
PG: Teague/Parker/2nd rnd pick

[Chinook]

In terms of what could be realistically offered, the Spurs don't have the asset(s) for Clarkson. It may not be a given, but team's almost always bite the bullet, if for no other reason than asset retention (Harris and Kanter, were last year's examples of this). I agree that the Spurs can't play it safe, but they've also got to be realistic and that means not wasting time on lost causes.

They can totally afford to waste time. They have essentially two slots they can use to improve, and they have five days before anyone can ink deals. That's plenty of time to get a feel for who will match what and what contingencies remain. We'll know by the second or third of July whether Boston is going to keep Amir and Jerebko, whether they draft Bender and whether they land a big-fish front-court guy. We'll know if LA lands DeRozan and trades for another perimeter player using their pick. By the time guys like Clarkson are really getting wooed, there shouldn't be a ton of doubt whether teams will match. This isn't like OKC and Kanter, where OKC had no reason besides the tax line to worry.

I said Sullinger is potentially attainable, but I wouldn't want to pay what it'll cost, as he's not a good fit. They need a rolling, rim protecting, rebounding center and a stretch power forward and one of the two has to be a mobile defender; he's neither. He doesn't cons ute swinging for the fences. The only boxes he checks are plus rebounding and decent passing.

He can roll, defend the PnR and stretch the floor. He can play in the post on both ends. He's got a lot of what made Splitter such a useful Spur with some added skills. The only issue he really has is that he's short. The rest can be cleaned up as he matures.

People acts as if only guys like Jordan and Chandler are threats in the PnR. Blair might have been the best roll-man the team has had in years. Sullinger has that ability plus Beli-like intuition on how to find the open spots on cuts. They can sign Ndoye and Lalanne to be their roller/defender/rebounder and shooter. Right now, the Spurs just need to improve the talent on their roster. Fit is an afterthought until they have their new core established.

I've always liked Johnson, a jack of all trades, master of none type, but he's permanently gimpy and his rebounding and rim protection have declined in recent seasons.

There's little evidence that Johnson has declined. He just turned 29 this month. His rebounding, blocks and field-goal percentage have all increased. He just needed to be put in situations to succeed, and I think the Spurs could give it to him. It's a damned shame they didn't trade for him back in 2009 when the price was just Oberto's deal. It's crazy to think what would have happened had they just gone for that and picked up Allen the next summer.

If they're looking for Duncan and Ginobili archetypes, I suspect they'll pursue Gasol and Vasquez. Never been a fan of the latter though.

I think the last thing they want is to set up that situation again. They clearly need to do something different given the pieces they have currently.

[TD 21]

They can totally afford to waste time. They have essentially two slots they can use to improve, and they have five days before anyone can ink deals. That's plenty of time to get a feel for who will match what and what contingencies remain. We'll know by the second or third of July whether Boston is going to keep Amir and Jerebko, whether they draft Bender and whether they land a big-fish front-court guy. We'll know if LA lands DeRozan and trades for another perimeter player using their pick. By the time guys like Clarkson are really getting wooed, there shouldn't be a ton of doubt whether teams will match. This isn't like OKC and Kanter, where OKC had no reason besides the tax line to worry.



He can roll, defend the PnR and stretch the floor. He can play in the post on both ends. He's got a lot of what made Splitter such a useful Spur with some added skills. The only issue he really has is that he's short. The rest can be cleaned up as he matures.

People acts as if only guys like Jordan and Chandler are threats in the PnR. Blair might have been the best roll-man the team has had in years. Sullinger has that ability plus Beli-like intuition on how to find the open spots on cuts. They can sign Ndoye and Lalanne to be their roller/defender/rebounder and shooter. Right now, the Spurs just need to improve the talent on their roster. Fit is an afterthought until they have their new core established.



There's little evidence that Johnson has declined. He just turned 29 this month. His rebounding, blocks and field-goal percentage have all increased. He just needed to be put in situations to succeed, and I think the Spurs could give it to him. It's a damned shame they didn't trade for him back in 2009 when the price was just Oberto's deal. It's crazy to think what would have happened had they just gone for that and picked up Allen the next summer.



I think the last thing they want is to set up that situation again. They clearly need to do something different given the pieces they have currently.

Yeah, I forgot the league changed the moratorium period. Still, unless the Lakers draft Ingram and sign DeRozan, I think it's a waste of time because I see no other scenario where they wouldn't match. Of course, the Spurs should still do their due diligence on this though.

Didn't you admit that you haven't really seen Sullinger play outside of YouTube clips? I've seen enough of him to know he wouldn't solve the Spurs' issues.

Blair was more athletic than Sullinger when he first entered the league. He was also playing with a player, in Ginobili, who's the best I've ever seen at hitting the roll man.

Johnson actually had something of a bounce back, but he's been gimpy for years. I'm not opposed to him, but him and Aldridge together, is not enough defensive rebounding/rim protection, especially against the big, bruising front lines.

Ndoye and Lalanne don't qualify as upgrading their talent level. There's no evidence to suggest they're ready or capable at all of playing in the NBA.

Fit is never an afterthought; it always has to be part of the equation. I disagree, I think they have a certain belief of how a roster should be built and want to remake it as close to what it's been for much of the Duncan era.

[DPG21920]

I think with Pau's passing and shooting he would be a tremendous short-term fit. Imagine this same team on offense but Pau instead of Tim with Pau's ability to actually be an offensive threat. Spurs were just a handful of buckets from beating OKC in 5 and if you give Pau the chances that Tim had? No doubt he finishes enough to put OKC away.

The team needs talent and flexibility within it's roster to match up/change up.

[Kawhitstorm]

I think with Pau's passing and shooting he would be a tremendous short-term fit. Imagine this same team on offense but Pau instead of Tim with Pau's ability to actually be an offensive threat. Spurs were just a handful of buckets from beating OKC in 5 and if you give Pau the chances that Tim had? No doubt he finishes enough to put OKC away.

The team needs talent and flexibility within it's roster to match up/change up.

They would be fine on offense but Pau/LMA would get PnR'ed to death & they are also not the two most physical bigs. OKC can't even play Kanter/Adams against teams w/ a competent PG despite Adams being a very good defender & them mauling teams on the board.

To make it work, Pau would have to come off the bench ala Kanter & play the Diaw role or start then get benched in the 4th quarter like Love. PATFO can sign Marvin Williams to close out games & guard stretch 4s.

[DPG21920]

They would be fine on offense but Pau/LMA would get PnR'ed to death & they are also not the two most physical bigs. OKC can't even play Kanter/Adams against teams w/ a competent PG despite Adams being a very good defender & them mauling teams on the board.

To make it work, Pau would have to come off the bench ala Kanter & play the Diaw role or start then get benched in the 4th quarter like Love. PATFO can sign Marvin Williams to close out games & guard stretch 4s.

Well, IMO, with Tim's lateral movement gone SA didn't get killed. No doubt Tim is so much better than Pau defensively just by being smart but the defense survived OKC's top offense even with a diminished Tim. Would it get worse? Sure, but I think that could be offset by getting more wing depth and better PG defense. The gains on offense would be worth it.

That is more of a quick-fix though and there are many ways to improve the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

[Kawhitstorm]

Well, IMO, with Tim's lateral movement gone SA didn't get killed. No doubt Tim is so much better than Pau defensively just by being smart but the defense survived OKC's top offense even with a diminished Tim. Would it get worse? Sure, but I think that could be offset by getting more wing depth and better PG defense. The gains on offense would be worth it.

That is more of a quick-fix though and there are many ways to improve the Spurs.

OKC doesn't even run much PnRs & the Spurs eliminated the Adams/WB PnR in Gm 5 by sagging into the paint b/c WB isn't a knockdown shooter, it's the Duds/Clips/Cavs that would PnR that frontline to death b/c their PGs are knockdown shooters.

[Strategic]

Maybe if Tim is staying he would have said. Manu follows him. Sitting thru another year of Mills before his contract year would be murder. Like to see patfo focus on personnel to beat OKC and GS. As far as the draft and stash cache the team has overseas, it's time to sh...t or get off the pot.