Warriors: vs Thunder - 2016 Playoffs - Western Final Series Thread

[Killakobe81]

Cully has fully backed Westbrook before even me tbh.
I was still frustrated by some of his decision making but I do think Cully sees some of Kobe in russ ...
Am I wrong, Cully?

[ambchang]

Cully has fully backed Westbrook before even me tbh.
I was still frustrated by some of his decision making but I do think Cully sees some of Kobe in russ ...
Am I wrong, Cully?

Which big is Russ coattail-riding?

[Killakobe81]

Which big is Russ coattail-riding?

No one but his bigs have played a key role in this series ...
And oh yeah shut your trap, Amb.
Dont turn this in another one of your diatribes.
This more about Russ than Kobe.
I am just glad to see another player this board loathes have a chance to ring ...

[ambchang]

No one but his bigs have played a key role in this series ...
And oh yeah shut your trap, Amb.
Dont turn this in another one of your diatribes.
This more about Russ than Kobe.
I am just glad to see another player this board loathes have a chance to ring ...

Why would you drag Kobe into this situation is beyond me. In fact, Russ is playing better because he's learning to slow down and chuck less, trusting his teammates. That is something Kobe never did. he kept chucking till the very end and win rings because the Lakers have the best frontlines by a couple of light years over other teams to rebound his bricks.

Stop dragging other people down by putting Kobe in the conversation.

You don't suddenly hear me talk about how Durant is balling like an 03 Duncan, do you?

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Cully has fully backed Westbrook before even me tbh.
I was still frustrated by some of his decision making but I do think Cully sees some of Kobe in russ ...
Am I wrong, Cully?

Damn rights, I did.

Like Kobe he's easily lured into it (can be any trap). Kobe had the tools to extricate himself from said trap-then hunt down those who'd set it time & time again.
Westbrook? Seething, still in the trap.

[Killakobe81]

Why would you drag Kobe into this situation is beyond me. In fact, Russ is playing better because he's learning to slow down and chuck less, trusting his teammates. That is something Kobe never did. he kept chucking till the very end and win rings because the Lakers have the best frontlines by a couple of light years over other teams to rebound his bricks.

Stop dragging other people down by putting Kobe in the conversation.

You don't suddenly hear me talk about how Durant is balling like an 03 Duncan, do you?

One, that is a dumb comparison ...their games are nothing alike.
Russ may be playing better than Kobe but as you just said Russ has had to learn slow down and to trust his team-mates ...
Wow where have we heard THAT before ...
And you are full of there was plenty of trust provided during the 3peat years which you have already admitted yourself.

You can sell dat elsewhere but I know your work, Amb ....

Please put your hate aside ... the comparison is apt and I stand by it ...

[ambchang]

One, that is a dumb comparison ...their games are nothing alike.

Yeah, just like Russ is based on instincts and Kobe's is based on footwork.

Russ may be playing better than Kobe but as you just said Russ has had to learn slow down and to trust his team-mates ...
Wow where have we heard THAT before ...

We heard that from Jordan.

And you are full of there was plenty of trust provided during the 3peat years which you have already admitted yourself.

Kobe didn't learn to trust Shaq, he learned to be the beta that he should one. Once he decided to be the alpha and try to shake off the chain, the Lakers fell apart.

You can sell dat elsewhere but I know your work, Amb ....

Please put your hate aside ... the comparison is apt and I stand by it ...

How is it apt?

[Killakobe81]

Comparison NBC Sports

From Royce Young of ESPN.com:

“That’s my guy. That’s my guy. That’s my guy. Kobe’s a good friend of mine and being in L.A. I was able to watch him and see him become a Hall of Famer and one of the best players to play the game. It’s an honor to be able to see somebody like that, to be able to have your back and support you.”

Bryant and Westbrook are similar, in that they’re fiery players who will do whatever it takes to win — and neither of them care what you might think about that, which is part of what makes them so polarizing.

Westbrook: "It's crazy man. Me growing up in L.A., being able to watch Kobe, he was one of the guys I looked up to. Crazy to see him hang it up. Obviously he was one of the greatest players to play the game and somebody I learned a lot from. His demeanor, his at ude, his compe ive nature, it's gonna be crazy to not see him on the floor. Throughout this season, I want to get an opportunity to thank him for what he did for the game of basketball. Just for me, being a kid in L.A., it was good for me."

You talk about learning from him, I know we've talked about some of the post moves you took from him. What else have you learned?

Westbrook: "A lot of things. Mindset. Having that killer instinct. I think a lot of players take that for granted, especially coming from him and him being able to have that killer instinct. It made him a better player, the player he is today."

I could go on but nope, Amb will insist the comparison is not apt ....

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how is that propping up? Most of this board hates Westbrook and are only now grudgingly accepting him as a great player. IF i wanted to prop up Kobe, wouldn't I compare him to Lebron instead?

You claimed Westbrook is the MVP of the playoffs and that he's doing it by playing like kobe, implying that its the inefficient chucking that's leading them to success. How is that not propping up?

[Killakobe81]

You claimed Westbrook is the MVP of the playoffs and that he's doing it by playing like kobe, implying that its the inefficient chucking that's leading them to success. How is that not propping up?

First I never said he was doing so with inefficient chucking ...
I was saying that as nod to his haters ...
they are winning for a lot of different reasons and at times Russ does some dumb even still/
But he is a much better athlete than Kobe ever was and is becoming a more willing passer on those counts Amb is is right, tbh.
But I think SI said it best he is like a mini LeBron with Kobe's drive ... but he also has some of Kobe's faults

But when you watch him play he is most dominant force in every playoff game win or lose.

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Bryant and Westbrook are similar, in that they’re fiery players who will do whatever it takes to win — and neither of them care what you might think about that, which is part of what makes them so polarizing.

Do people seriously still believe this?

Kobe would only "do whatever it takes to win" as long as he was the one getting credit for it...and rofl at him not caring about what people think of him when he went (and still goes) to great lenghts to create and sustain a whole fake persona in order to manipulate the way the public views him and his "legacy"

[Killakobe81]

Do people seriously still believe this?

Kobe would only "do whatever it takes to win" as long as he was the one getting credit for it...and rofl at him not caring about what people think of him when he went (and still goes) to great lenghts to create and sustain a whole fake persona in order to manipulate the way the public views him and his "legacy"

Just telling you what people report I mean it's ESPN ...
IF you want to accept "12" ..shouldnt you accept this as well?
Wanting credit for a win doesnt invalidate the other part of the argument ...

But I am done discussing Kobe but I am sure Amb and plenty others will love to continue.
I said that was who he reminded ME of ...you disagree even though he freely admits he gleamed alot from Kobe?
Feel free.

I hope this series is not over but if Russ has his way like he did last night the is done.
And if he can do it for 5 more games you will have to accept that man as the winner cully called him years ago.
You will not be able to deny him his props even though I am sure some will argue Curry and Duncan had knee injuries

[ambchang]

Comparison NBC Sports

From Royce Young of ESPN.com:

“That’s my guy. That’s my guy. That’s my guy. Kobe’s a good friend of mine and being in L.A. I was able to watch him and see him become a Hall of Famer and one of the best players to play the game. It’s an honor to be able to see somebody like that, to be able to have your back and support you.”

Bryant and Westbrook are similar, in that they’re fiery players who will do whatever it takes to win — and neither of them care what you might think about that, which is part of what makes them so polarizing.

That had nothing to do with their games, does it? It applies to Allen Iverson and Charles Barkley, it applies to Charles Oakley and Bill Laimbeer, and it had nothing to do with their game.

Westbrook: "It's crazy man. Me growing up in L.A., being able to watch Kobe, he was one of the guys I looked up to. Crazy to see him hang it up. Obviously he was one of the greatest players to play the game and somebody I learned a lot from. His demeanor, his at ude, his compe ive nature, it's gonna be crazy to not see him on the floor. Throughout this season, I want to get an opportunity to thank him for what he did for the game of basketball. Just for me, being a kid in L.A., it was good for me."

Notice he didn't say "The way he uses his foot work to get free for shots, or the way he bulldozes his way to the rim like Dwyne Wade or Derrick Rose."

You talk about learning from him, I know we've talked about some of the post moves you took from him. What else have you learned?

Lead question. And what post move does Westbrook have? None.

Westbrook: "A lot of things. Mindset. Having that killer instinct. I think a lot of players take that for granted, especially coming from him and him being able to have that killer instinct. It made him a better player, the player he is today."

I could go on but nope, Amb will insist the comparison is not apt ....

Again, things like "killer instinct", "demeanor", "at ude" and "compe ive nature" have absolutely nothing to do with the way they play the game. It has everything to do with the media trying to connect two SG who doesn't play the game anywhere close to each other though.

I am looking forward to you pulling a picture of Westbrook doing that stupid jaw jut, or someone referring to Westbrook as a female movie character as evidence of how Westbrook and Kobe have comparable games.

[ambchang]

Just telling you what people report I mean it's ESPN ...
IF you want to accept "12" ..shouldnt you accept this as well?
Wanting credit for a win doesnt invalidate the other part of the argument ...

But I am done discussing Kobe but I am sure Amb and plenty others will love to continue.
I said that was who he reminded ME of ...you disagree even though he freely admits he gleamed alot from Kobe?
Feel free.

I hope this series is not over but if Russ has his way like he did last night the is done.
And if he can do it for 5 more games you will have to accept that man as the winner cully called him years ago.
You will not be able to deny him his props even though I am sure some will argue Curry and Duncan had knee injuries

You say that every time you are on the losing end of the argument, and then you can't help yourself and pull Kobe out of thin air in a totally irrelevant topic, have people answer you, accuse the other of bringing in Kobe for no reason, got pushed in, and repeat.

[Killakobe81]

That had nothing to do with their games, does it? It applies to Allen Iverson and Charles Barkley, it applies to Charles Oakley and Bill Laimbeer, and it had nothing to do with their game.



Notice he didn't say "The way he uses his foot work to get free for shots, or the way he bulldozes his way to the rim like Dwyne Wade or Derrick Rose."



Lead question. And what post move does Westbrook have? None.



Again, things like "killer instinct", "demeanor", "at ude" and "compe ive nature" have absolutely nothing to do with the way they play the game. It has everything to do with the media trying to connect two SG who doesn't play the game anywhere close to each other though.

I am looking forward to you pulling a picture of Westbrook doing that stupid jaw jut, or someone referring to Westbrook as a female movie character as evidence of how Westbrook and Kobe have comparable games.

I already knew you would continue down this path..
You cant win this debate, aMb now matter how hard you try
He reminds ME, ME! Not you ...
you can argue the question was leading whatever ...
But we have Russ, Kobe and two different sportswriters all making the same comparison.
You dont agree with the comparison, God bless your hating little heart.

But I gave you the win the last time you tried to debate me ...but I dont have to prove when it's my opinion alone (well me and plenty of others) and I am not trying to present it as fact.

[lefty]

Which means he was a former laker fan

[Beaverfuzz]

the Dubs!

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Just telling you what people report I mean it's ESPN ...
IF you want to accept "12" ..shouldnt you accept this as well?
Wanting credit for a win doesnt invalidate the other part of the argument ...

It does when that's your sole motivation. If he somehow could get the same praise even if his team kept losing he wouldn't give a . In fact that's pretty much what we saw this season with the whole circus farewell tour thing

But I am done discussing Kobe but I am sure Amb and plenty others will love to continue.
I said that was who he reminded ME of ...you disagree even though he freely admits he gleamed alot from Kobe?
Feel free.

I disagree of you attributing his "MVP of the playoffs" status to him playing inefficient kobe style isoball as if that is the reason for his/OKC's success so far. I don't care if he reminds you of kobe or not.

[ambchang]

I already knew you would continue down this path..
You cant win this debate, aMb now matter how hard you try
He reminds ME, ME! Not you ...
you can argue the question was leading whatever ...
But we have Russ, Kobe and two different sportswriters all making the same comparison.
You dont agree with the comparison, God bless your hating little heart.

But I gave you the win the last time you tried to debate me ...but I dont have to prove when it's my opinion alone (well me and plenty of others) and I am not trying to present it as fact.

the default it means to me route. You can stay delusional all you want. You can FEEL Jon Koncak > Duncan, and you will win that argument every time, because it was YOU, YOU that felt it, and I can't argue your feelings.

It's my opinion that Harold Minor is a better basketball player than Shaquille O'Neal. I AM right because it is MY opinion, MINE!

Two sports writer wrote about two SGs they want to prop up in an article is proof? There were sportswriters than felt KVH was a better pick at #1 back in 1997 as well, so?

[Killakobe81]

the default it means to me route. You can stay delusional all you want. You can FEEL Jon Koncak > Duncan, and you will win that argument every time, because it was YOU, YOU that felt it, and I can't argue your feelings.

It's my opinion that Harold Minor is a better basketball player than Shaquille O'Neal. I AM right because it is MY opinion, MINE!

Two sports writer wrote about two SGs they want to prop up in an article is proof? There were sportswriters than felt KVH was a better pick at #1 back in 1997 as well, so?

Gosh you are silly ...
Do you really need to talk about Kobe that badly?
I say he reminds me of you say not ...its over, dude.
Then you embarass yourself with ridiculous examples ...
When I gave you examples ...including from the player himself.

Anyways, this is about Russ who is taking a on the mvp and the runner up to mvp in back2back series ...
My nicca Russ doing Bruin type things!

[Killakobe81]

It does when that's your sole motivation. If he somehow could get the same praise even if his team kept losing he wouldn't give a . In fact that's pretty much what we saw this season with the whole circus farewell tour thing


I disagree of you attributing his "MVP of the playoffs" status to him playing inefficient kobe style isoball as if that is the reason for his/OKC's success so far. I don't care if he reminds you of kobe or not.

I didnt say that is why he is playing wellwhat i am saying i have seen plenty of yall about Russ (not sure if you are in that camp.) And he reminds me and others of Kobe ...But if my comparison offends you well tbh idgaf ...and wont argue the point ...please see why in my response to Amb ...

You disagree, duly noted.
My only issue with you is you say in givong him props in ghe comparison when in fact if i wanted to prop Kobe Russ would be probably the worst choice outside of Draymond Green ...people are still hating on Russ today

[Gummi Clutch]

I didnt say that is why he is playing wellwhat i am saying i have seen plenty of yall about Russ (not sure if you are in that camp.) And he reminds me and others of Kobe ...But if my comparison offends you well tbh idgaf ...and wont argue the point ...please see why in my response to Amb ...

You disagree, duly noted.
My only issue with you is you say in givong him props in ghe comparison when in fact if i wanted to prop Kobe Russ would be probably the worst choice outside of Draymond Green ...people are still hating on Russ today

sup bandwagon . The team you've been riding is getting ass ed

[Killakobe81]

sup bandwagon . The team you've been riding is getting ass ed

By Russ a fellow alumni ...
And im not a dubs fans so it fells nothing like what dallas gave us in 2011 or Celts in 1984

[Gummi Clutch]

By Russ a fellow alumni ...
And im not a dubs fans so it fells nothing like what dallas gave us in 2011 or Celts in 1984

Lies just own upto it.

[DAF86]

What's this bull about Westbrook being more important than KD in this series?

Durant is scoring more, more efficiently AND he's playing stellar defense. He's guarding the basket like a mini-Mutombo. He's the main reason why OKC can keep up with GS small line-ups but still punish them with size. He's clearly the key player of the matchup.

Don't get me wrong, Westbrook has been awesome too (they both needed to be to be in the position they are right now), but I don't know why some folks are trying to sell us that Westbrook is being more important than KD. And according to them "pretty clearly" too.