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    Honestly I will be bold, the comparison to Diaw does not do him justice. He's 22 yrs old, Diaw is a veteran. Kyle already rebounds better, is better on defense, specially perimeter defense for a guy his size and the way the league is trending, you need guys like that, and I think Kyle will be a better scorer in his prime than Diaw was.

    We have to remember this is a guy who would still be a senior in college who's earned his playing time in perhaps the deepest team in recent memory.

    Diaw was much more athletic in his youth and with a lot more potential but he didn't realize all of it bc he tended to chill out and be passive, and didn't get to Pop until he was 30.

    Although KA had the same passive tendencies he's been coached by the same staff that turned Kawhi into a beast and he's been pushed to be aggressive from an early development stage. He's not even yet playing with the freedom he will eventually be able to play when he's entering his prime like Kawhi is. He's still playing like a roleplayer within a system where he's the last option. When he plays garbage time is when we see the kind of plays and shots he's capable of that he's not allowed with the regular rotation.

    I daresay KA is no Diaw, he is going to be better bc of the influence of Pop, coaching staff, HOF teammates, elite compe ion, etc will have on his development and he has talent to absorb and learn. He reminds us of Diaw now. There's no telling how much better he will be in a couple of years.

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    Interesting tidbits though the piece may be characterized an editorial by the author, still:

    Anderson has just finished up his sop re campaign for the Spurs, and his improvements have been drastic. He has made progress in nearly every offensive category, and as the Spurs have heaped more responsibility on him, Anderson has responded with strong performances.
    Anderson has the potential to blossom in the next few seasons. With both Diaw and David West approaching their shelf life in the league, the Spurs are looking for Anderson to become the primary front court player off the bench. His versatility can come in handy as a reserve for either Kawhi Leonard or LaMarcus Aldridge, given his ability to play either forward position.
    Despite his lack of athleticism, his defensive metrics have looked impressive. His Defensive Box Plus/Minus increased from a solid 2.4 during his rookie season to 3.7 this season. On the best defensive team in the NBA, Anderson played a key role off the bench in maintaining that defensive tenacity. Only Tim Duncan had a higher Defensive Box Plus/Minus on the team than Anderson, meaning that he ranked ahead of defensive maestros Leonard, West, and Danny Green.
    He ranked 7th on the team in Defensive Win Shares despite ranking only 11th on the team in minutes per game, proving his significant impact in limited minutes. His 7’3 wingspan allows him to effectively clog passing lanes and disrupt an opposing team’s offensive rhythm, as well as partially remedy his lack of quickness.

    He may not have the strength to defend huge power forwards down on the block or have the natural agility to intimidate opposing wings looking to push the tempo against him, but he brings a unique dexterity to the game around him.
    Anderson’s development as a shooter will be interesting to do ent. Assistant coach Chip Engelland did wonders by working with Leonard to improve his range, so there’s no reason to believe that Anderson can’t also enhance his shooting with perseverance and great tutelage. While Anderson’s assumed progression on both ends of the court is based largely on precedence from examples within the organization, he’s still shown enough individually to promote this optimism.
    Anderson’s field goal percentage this season jumped about 12 points compared to his rookie season, and his 3-point field goal percentage jumped 5 points in that same time period. He shot 6-11 on right corner 3s this season, which may be an indication that he can develop more confidence in that shot to deploy it more often.
    His midrange shooting in particular improved dramatically this past season. Curiously, his baseline midrange jumper has been poor throughout his NBA career as of now, but he’s making progress near the top of the key.
    In fact, when isolating his midrange shots excluding the two baseline areas, Anderson had a very good year shooting the ball from that general distance. He shot 38 for 80 from either the top of the key or the areas around the elbow inside the 3-point line but not in the key.
    When he stays out from the baseline, he’s become an above average shooter. His range hasn’t extended reliably beyond 20 feet yet, but given proper time and coaching it may continue to expand.
    Anderson brings very idiosyncratic skills as a facilitating forward who can run an offense. He’ll be looked upon to replace Diaw as the Spurs’ point forward off the bench in the near future, and the progression that Anderson has made during his short time in the league speaks highly about the player he’ll continue to evolve into.
    We have to keep in mind this dude is just 22 years old. I doubt very much he's included in any trade package deals because he probably is not worth as much to anyone else as he is to the Spurs at this point. He thrives in our defensive system, if you leave him out on an island, he won't do well, but in our system he's basically a defensive star. So much for all those who continue to claim for an athletic wing blah blah... athletic is J.Simms and he's not on Anderson's level as a defender.

    He has also improved his shooting this season and there is hope his shooting will continue to extend in range. He's not yet where we need him to be but he has improved from season 1 to 2.
    His versatility is also of a lot of usefulness to us. Outside of Kawhi we don't have another player like him in terms of how versatile they are and the ways they can potentially be played in our system.

    His point forward skills need a coach and system that values that kind of skill in the way a point forward like Diaw once unlocked possibilities for others that were not there without his versatile scoring and passing.

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    Given enough minutes I can see him as a candidate for MIP next season. Im hoping he averages 20-25 minutes next season.

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    Gotta make him the next Durant and put him at the 4

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    Close this thread, mods. Burn it, burn it to the ground.

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    Kyle improved from a POS no minute player to a POS cancer with playoff minutes.

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    Kyle improved from a POS no minute player to a POS cancer with playoff minutes.
    Parker was the one man fast break

    Kyle is the one man opponent run

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    Please, just burn this cathedral down already.

    Anyway, unless Kyle moves over to the 4 position then I believe his time in the NBA will be short lived. The guy is too ing slow, unathletic and offensively inept to survive as even a back up small forward.

    He was utterly pathetic at times against Oklahoma City literally letting loose balls bounce to the opponent due to a lack of hustle. He needs to learn to be more assertive and determined on the court or he's ed. Can't survive being that slow and have no motor or sense of urgency.

    Needs to work on all facets of his offensive game, really. Posting up, corner three's and making the occasional mid-range pull-up. Getting abused by Randy Foye and Dione Waiters on one end, while unable to exploit either on offense is unacceptable for any SF.
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    Interesting tidbits though the piece may be characterized an editorial by the author, still:



    We have to keep in mind this dude is just 22 years old. I doubt very much he's included in any trade package deals because he probably is not worth as much to anyone else as he is to the Spurs at this point. He thrives in our defensive system, if you leave him out on an island, he won't do well, but in our system he's basically a defensive star. So much for all those who continue to claim for an athletic wing blah blah... athletic is J.Simms and he's not on Anderson's level as a defender.

    He has also improved his shooting this season and there is hope his shooting will continue to extend in range. He's not yet where we need him to be but he has improved from season 1 to 2.
    His versatility is also of a lot of usefulness to us. Outside of Kawhi we don't have another player like him in terms of how versatile they are and the ways they can potentially be played in our system.

    His point forward skills need a coach and system that values that kind of skill in the way a point forward like Diaw once unlocked possibilities for others that were not there without his versatile scoring and passing.
    Your posts suck and so does anderson. Sorry no one else will tell you this.

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    So much hate for Kyle, but I think he's developing well. For his pricetag he's a fine 9-10th guy.

    It's hilarious that so many morons around here seem to judge him against some absurd standard they have in their heads. What did you expect of him? He's a 29th pick. The fact that he's a half decent rotation player speaks to the strength of the Spurs' development coaches, and Kyle's commitment to improving.

    He'll never be fast, but he is smart and getting smarter. If he can become a more reliable 3pt shooter he could be a real asset off the bench.

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    So much hate for Kyle, but I think he's developing well. For his pricetag he's a fine 9-10th guy.

    It's hilarious that so many morons around here seem to judge him against some absurd standard they have in their heads. What did you expect of him? He's a 29th pick. The fact that he's a half decent rotation player speaks to the strength of the Spurs' development coaches, and Kyle's commitment to improving.

    He'll never be fast, but he is smart and getting smarter. If he can become a more reliable 3pt shooter he could be a real asset off the bench.
    How is he improving? His shot still sucks and he bails out smaller guards in the post with 15 foot bricks. He doesn't hustle after 50/50 boards and he gets torched far too often on defense. Look at his body, he's lazy.

    What do I expect of him? To get zero playoff minutes. That's how it normally works, if you suck, you don't see the court. Pop treats him like his second son though and he'll be this generation's Bonner. Pop's contract ends in 2020 and so will Kyle's tbh. He'll be out of the league soon after

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    ^^ haters will hate TBH. Can't be surprised about it when they hate on Kawhi, LMA, Danny, the big 3 at times you name it. So to read some trolls hate on a young roleplayer, what can we expect?
    He's been fine for his role and as a fan we should just hope our youngest roleplayers improve, bc for certain the oldest roleplayers are getting worse every season.

    Only two ways we improve from now on, FA and our youngest roleplayers getting better.

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    ^^^ Kyle fans. They'll hate on every role player that's in position to take fat head's minutes. Also wants the Big 3 to retire so this can be Kawhi's and KYLE's (LOL.) team smh

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    How is he improving? His shot still sucks and he bails out smaller guards in the post with 15 foot bricks. He doesn't hustle after 50/50 boards and he gets torched far too often on defense. Look at his body, he's lazy.

    What do I expect of him? To get zero playoff minutes. That's how it normally works, if you suck, you don't see the court. Pop treats him like his second son though and he'll be this generation's Bonner. Pop's contract ends in 2020 and so will Kyle's tbh. He'll be out of the league soon after
    He's a minimum salary guy. You're behaving like he was a top 5 pick!

    His shot isn't where we need it but it's better than his rookie season. He was super-skinny and has clearly put on about 7 or 8 kgs.

    He has a long way to go (needs to develop a strong post move and a counter, improve his shooting, keep getting bigger, etc), but he's smart, doesn't turn it over, makes good passes and clever cuts, and he's fine as 9-10th guy. I don't expect any more from a 21yo 29th pick who just finished his second season.

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    He's a minimum salary guy. You're behaving like he was a top 5 pick!

    His shot isn't where we need it but it's better than his rookie season. He was super-skinny and has clearly put on about 7 or 8 kgs.

    He has a long way to go (needs to develop a strong post move and a counter, improve his shooting, keep getting bigger, etc), but he's smart, doesn't turn it over, makes good passes and clever cuts, and he's fine as 9-10th guy. I don't expect any more from a 21yo 29th pick who just finished his second season.
    That guys is a big hater. Can't really even argue with him. It's not worth the time.
    Edit: to clarify the general hate troll is TGY, who Oz was replying to....
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    Anderson is good but, I hate it when he passes up open shots after very good ball rotation. It seems like he still don't know when to shoot or when to make an extra pass. It's either that or too slow that team catches up on defense when he gets the ball.

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    He's a minimum salary guy. You're behaving like he was a top 5 pick!

    His shot isn't where we need it but it's better than his rookie season. He was super-skinny and has clearly put on about 7 or 8 kgs.

    He has a long way to go (needs to develop a strong post move and a counter, improve his shooting, keep getting bigger, etc), but he's smart, doesn't turn it over, makes good passes and clever cuts, and he's fine as 9-10th guy. I don't expect any more from a 21yo 29th pick who just finished his second season.
    I don't care where they were drafted, if they're a cancer they shouldn't see playing time. How many times did we see the starters get us a lead early on against OKC, only to see the bench go down 10?

    I disagree he's not as good a passer as Spurstalk seems to think he is. In the regular season Per-36, he averaged 3.6 assists and 1.7TOs. In the playoffs he averaged Per-36, 2.0 assists and 1.1TOs. He passes the ball because he's scared to take open jumpers, tbh. The way he plays is the exact opposite of the Beautiful Game... Instead of good-to-great, his over passing ends up turning an opportunity into great-to-good or good-to-contested

    He'll be 23 next season, btw. That's old enough to judge if he's willing to improve, which so far, he hasn't.

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    I think he has to bring the ball up the court to be effective. His passing is his greatest skill and hes not a good shooter. He should play small-power-point-forward.

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    His lack of motor & athleticism limits his ceiling considerably. For the right deal, I'd part ways with Anderson while he still has value ( 2 years left on rookie deal).

    I'd even trade him for an early 2nd round pick.

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    He's a minimum salary guy. You're behaving like he was a top 5 pick!

    His shot isn't where we need it but it's better than his rookie season. He was super-skinny and has clearly put on about 7 or 8 kgs.

    He has a long way to go (needs to develop a strong post move and a counter, improve his shooting, keep getting bigger, etc), but he's smart, doesn't turn it over, makes good passes and clever cuts, and he's fine as 9-10th guy. I don't expect any more from a 21yo 29th pick who just finished his second season.
    That guys is a big hater. Can't really even argue with him. It's not worth the time.

    You know, SAGirl, what Oz said isn't really hate. He really is young, he really was a 29 pick, and he really does need some work.

    One of my favorite second-tier players of all time was Anthony Parker. He played 3 lackluster seasons in the NBA, then went to play for Maccabi for 5-6 years. He came back a 2,500 minute per season starter, and started every game alongside LeBron for a couple of seasons. There are a lot of similarities between him and Kyle - not fast, but solid and smart. Needed some time to develop, but turned into a guy you want on your team. Kyle could do a lot worse for himself.

    Anthony Parker never could have gotten the minutes to improve, if he had stayed in the NBA. If Anderson went the same route, I really do think he would turn into a player that the Spurs would like to have back. Hopefully he will get the chance (and minutes) to improve while he's still with the Spurs. But it's tough for a player like that on a win-now roster. Anderson's defense and length are what might give him that opportunity. The best thing he could possibly do for himself is to work all summer with Chip, and to put on some muscle so he can root a little bit more inside. Defense, rebounding, and solid 3P shooting will keep him on the floor. His ball-handling, IMO, is a bonus that is useful in certain matchups. But if he focuses on that? Well, I think it would be better if he went the other way.

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    Anderson is good but, I hate it when he passes up open shots after very good ball rotation. It seems like he still don't know when to shoot or when to make an extra pass. It's either that or too slow that team catches up on defense when he gets the ball.
    I couldnt agree more and during the OKC series he passed up an open LAYUP, never mind an open jumper, to make a pass that got stolen. But not taking the open jumper is just bad

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    You know, SAGirl, what Oz said isn't really hate. He really is young, he really was a 29 pick, and he really does need some work.

    One of my favorite second-tier players of all time was Anthony Parker. He played 3 lackluster seasons in the NBA, then went to play for Maccabi for 5-6 years. He came back a 2,500 minute per season starter, and started every game alongside LeBron for a couple of seasons. There are a lot of similarities between him and Kyle - not fast, but solid and smart. Needed some time to develop, but turned into a guy you want on your team. Kyle could do a lot worse for himself.

    Anthony Parker never could have gotten the minutes to improve, if he had stayed in the NBA. If Anderson went the same route, I really do think he would turn into a player that the Spurs would like to have back. Hopefully he will get the chance (and minutes) to improve while he's still with the Spurs. But it's tough for a player like that on a win-now roster. Anderson's defense and length are what might give him that opportunity. The best thing he could possibly do for himself is to work all summer with Chip, and to put on some muscle so he can root a little bit more inside. Defense, rebounding, and solid 3P shooting will keep him on the floor. His ball-handling, IMO, is a bonus that is useful in certain matchups. But if he focuses on that? Well, I think it would be better if he went the other way.
    Sorry if I confused you or Oz... I was talking about TGY.... he hates on everybody but Tony it seems to me.

    As for Kyle my favorite aspect of him is his passing anyways. We shall see with his development. He's added strength but he came into the league looking like he was a 16 yr old. I hope he improves his shooting bc we'll need him scoring more. But in a bench without Manu and Boris (bc one may and perhaps should retire, the other is probably let go) they will need his passing and leadership. Sometimes glue guys like that make lineups work and make a difference in your ball movement and finding scorers in good positions that's by far his best asset. We just haven't needed that bc the bench had more than enough of passing and actually not enough scoring but that will not always be the case, + we do need him shooting better.
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    Hopefully Pop sticks with him in the rotation over Simmons, tbh..I expect him to continue giving each guy a shot, though, at least until February..
    Another dumb idea

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    His lack of motor & athleticism limits his ceiling considerably. For the right deal, I'd part ways with Anderson while he still has value ( 2 years left on rookie deal).

    I'd even trade him for an early 2nd round pick.

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    I think he has to bring the ball up the court to be effective. His passing is his greatest skill and hes not a good shooter. He should play small-power-point-forward.
    At the park with the guys ok, not in the NBA

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