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    Because top FAs never sign here. We had cap room for a top FA in 2003, and won the NBA le. Kidd turned us down. Jermaine O'Neal turned us down. CWebb turned us down in 2001. They don't want to come here. There is no "scene" and no publicity for their hype machines. Not enough clubs. No paparazzi.

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    That's a shame. If players wanted to win instead of just going to the big markets, the Spurs would have a good chance at some top free agents.

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    That's a shame. If players wanted to win instead of just going to the big markets, the Spurs would have a good chance at some top free agents.
    You've just stumbled on the dirty little secret of the NBA: most players don't care about winning. They'll say they do, because otherwise the fans would turn on them, but all they really want is the money and the lifestyle.

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    I'm warming up to this idea, guys. Let him defend, get rebounds, clean up the trash, get easy dunks and follow ups. Spurs allow 59 points per game next season. Coach Duncan teaches him how to be a winner.

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    If only he can accept being a role player on the team, but you know he won't. Coach killing diva

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    He'll be even more useful next season, as Silver is expected to change the hack-a-player rules.

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    For the right price and the right role, ehh why not

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    He'll be even more useful next season, as Silver is expected to change the hack-a-player rules.

    They shouldnt change that rule

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    They shouldnt change that rule
    Silver has no authority to change the rule anyway. The compe ion committee has had chances and never changes it, despite all the bluster about it. Even the owners who complain the loudest don't actually do anything when the time comes.

    But BKL appears to be healthier than he's been in a couple of years. The Spurs can get him more shots than he was getting in Houston, and he'll have a lot of opportunities for rebounds and putbacks with Aldridge and Kawhi shooting jumpers. Give me a guy shooting 60 percent from the field with 13 boards and two blocks just about any day. I think he'd thrive in an environment where people value his contributions and don't ask him to shoulder all the blame when things go wrong.

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    Silver has no authority to change the rule anyway. The compe ion committee has had chances and never changes it, despite all the bluster about it. Even the owners who complain the loudest don't actually do anything when the time comes.

    But BKL appears to be healthier than he's been in a couple of years. The Spurs can get him more shots than he was getting in Houston, and he'll have a lot of opportunities for rebounds and putbacks with Aldridge and Kawhi shooting jumpers. Give me a guy shooting 60 percent from the field with 13 boards and two blocks just about any day. I think he'd thrive in an environment where people value his contributions and don't ask him to shoulder all the blame when things go wrong.
    If Howard was content in that role, he wouldn't have had issues a long the way. Prob is he wants to be the alpha on a team. He's a good P-R center, but wants to be a post up center...

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    Silver has no authority to change the rule anyway. The compe ion committee has had chances and never changes it, despite all the bluster about it. Even the owners who complain the loudest don't actually do anything when the time comes.
    They already changed it by banning in the last two minutes, didn't they?

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    If Howard was content in that role, he wouldn't have had issues a long the way. Prob is he wants to be the alpha on a team. He's a good P-R center, but wants to be a post up center...
    Well, he used to want to be the alpha. Then he went to Houston where he was their most efficient scorer and they couldn't be bothered to pass him the ing ball. Being in a place where his contributions are appreciated and the offense is tailor made to get him a lot of shot opportunities might be attractive to him. I also think about how ing nasty the Spurs' defense would be with a KL, LMA and BKL front line.

    They already changed it by banning in the last two minutes, didn't they?
    Yeah but they did it when Wilt was playing. I don't know who made rules back then, but the compe ion committee suggests rule changes and then they're voted on by the board of governors.

    Also, it's a stupid strategy unless your team's defense is abysmal. According to BR, the best teams in the league score ~110 points per 100 possessions, so that means a hacked player shooting 55% is, at worst, breaking even. That's before you account for the hacked player's team benefits from being in the bonus or the lack of turnover and fast break opportunities.

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    Well, he used to want to be the alpha. Then he went to Houston where he was their most efficient scorer and they couldn't be bothered to pass him the ing ball. Being in a place where his contributions are appreciated and the offense is tailor made to get him a lot of shot opportunities might be attractive to him. I also think about how ing nasty the Spurs' defense would be with a KL, LMA and BKL front line.


    Yeah but they did it when Wilt was playing. I don't know who made rules back then, but the compe ion committee suggests rule changes and then they're voted on by the board of governors.

    Also, it's a stupid strategy unless your team's defense is abysmal. According to BR, the best teams in the league score ~110 points per 100 possessions, so that means a hacked player shooting 55% is, at worst, breaking even. That's before you account for the hacked player's team benefits from being in the bonus or the lack of turnover and fast break opportunities.
    Dude, Howard STILL wants to be the main guy.

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    He's heading back East

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    Dude, Howard STILL wants to be the main guy.
    If that were the case, he probably wouldn't have chosen to go to LA. He's probably ready to just be someplace where he's needed. Nobody needs centers more than the Spurs do.

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    If that were the case, he probably wouldn't have chosen to go to LA. He's probably ready to just be someplace where he's needed. Nobody needs centers more than the Spurs do.
    He didnt want LA. His agent did because of marketing exposure.

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    He didnt want LA. His agent did because of marketing exposure.
    Pretty sure him not signing an extension and repeatedly stating how he didn't want to go to LA meant he didn't want to go there.

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    He didnt want LA. His agent did because of marketing exposure.
    I actually forgot he was traded there.

    So it wasn't his idea to go to LA, so why would he have gone to Houston when they had Harden? Why is everyone so sure he wouldn't play for the Spurs?

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    I actually forgot he was traded there.

    So it wasn't his idea to go to LA, so why would he have gone to Houston when they had Harden? Why is everyone so sure he wouldn't play for the Spurs?

    Do you want to pay this guy $20 million? He might be worth it for the first year or two ... but after that as he gets older and his injury issues reappear, do you want to be paying him $25+ milion? His contract at that point will be an albatross that ruins the team building. Long term risk outweights short term benefit.

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    Do you want to pay this guy $20 million? He might be worth it for the first year or two ... but after that as he gets older and his injury issues reappear, do you want to be paying him $25+ milion? His contract at that point will be an albatross that ruins the team building. Long term risk outweights short term benefit.
    If he were 34, I guess I'd think the way you do, but he's 30, and just came off a relatively healthy season. Dwight Howard at 50 percent is as good as most any big that the Spurs are likely to get, and the Spurs have a chance to win every year that he's not completely out of the lineup, and are probably a dominant favorite if he's at this year's production or better.

    "Worth it for a year or two" means the Spurs are a dominant defense, win 63-70 games, have a shot at HCA, and are a favorite to win a le. For a legit shot at two or three championships, what team wouldn't be willing to pay him 20 million bucks? What fan wouldn't be okay with it?

    Here's the way I'd gauge him as a player: Offer him a good contract, a starting position, and a chance to be on a historically-good NBA front line for a team with a pedigree. If he jumps to some other team that offers him more money, then he hasn't learned anything and you move on down the road. Doesn't mean you don't give his agent a call.

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    If he were 34, I guess I'd think the way you do, but he's 30, and just came off a relatively healthy season. Dwight Howard at 50 percent is as good as most any big that the Spurs are likely to get, and the Spurs have a chance to win every year that he's not completely out of the lineup, and are probably a dominant favorite if he's at this year's production or better.

    "Worth it for a year or two" means the Spurs are a dominant defense, win 63-70 games, have a shot at HCA, and are a favorite to win a le. For a legit shot at two or three championships, what team wouldn't be willing to pay him 20 million bucks? What fan wouldn't be okay with it?

    Here's the way I'd gauge him as a player: Offer him a good contract, a starting position, and a chance to be on a historically-good NBA front line for a team with a pedigree. If he jumps to some other team that offers him more money, then he hasn't learned anything and you move on down the road. Doesn't mean you don't give his agent a call.
    You throw a bone his way. See if he bites. I think he's in the $15-20 mil/year range probably. He's not a vet looking to get a ring. He still wants to get paid and get all he can. Be warned, you get diminishing returns with him when he gets more expensive. He wants a max contract. Boston maybe hard up enough to get him to give him that kind of money.

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    You throw a bone his way. See if he bites. I think he's in the $15-20 mil/year range probably. He's not a vet looking to get a ring. He still wants to get paid and get all he can. Be warned, you get diminishing returns with him when he gets more expensive. He wants a max contract. Boston maybe hard up enough to get him to give him that kind of money.
    Yeah. I wouldn't go more than $80M/4 for him. That's about how much the Spurs would have if they waive Diaw. That's not a bad deal for him unless he just wants a max contract. If he wants to win, then he's not going to find a much better system.

    PG: Parker, Mills, 29
    SG: Green, room exception, Simmons
    SF: Kawhi, Anderson, Bertans
    PF: Aldridge, West, Cady
    C: Howard, Milutinov/Ndoye, min guy

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    Yeah. I wouldn't go more than $80M/4 for him. That's about how much the Spurs would have if they waive Diaw. That's not a bad deal for him unless he just wants a max contract. If he wants to win, then he's not going to find a much better system.

    PG: Parker, Mills, 29
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    C: Howard, Milutinov/Ndoye, min guy
    4/$80 million is way too steep. Let someone else pay him if he wants that.

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    4/$80 million is way too steep. Let someone else pay him if he wants that.
    Ugh. That's completely unrealistic. You'll see next month. Howard will probably get something like $100M/4, and people will be calling it a discount. Contracts are about to change.

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    Ugh. That's completely unrealistic. You'll see next month. Howard will probably get something like $100M/4, and people will be calling it a discount. Contracts are about to change.
    Sadly, you're right, he'll get that somewhere because we had incompetent owners/GMs everywhere, and completely isn't worth that tbh.

    4/60-65 would be as far as I'll go.

    Anyone dumb enough to think 4/100 would be a discount with these supposed "changing contracts" coming up should quit trying to be capologists. Just my .02

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