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  1. #51
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    Time to bet the Rockets win total over for 2016-17

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    This won't end well.
    Bend over. I'll show you something that in' won't end well.

  3. #53
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    I like the hire if a few things go along with it.

    1. They find a way to get rid of Harden.
    2. They aggressively pursue a PG who fits his style. I honestly don't know who it would be, but one at least competent enough to run his system.
    3. He plays Motiejunas big minutes.

    I think fans, especially on these boards, think it's a win it all or it's failure type of approach for every team. That's not the case with Houston. I don't think this hire should be viewed as to whether it will help them win a championship or not. Or even get them to a legitimate contender level. To me, it's a hire to get away from the stagnant crap the pair of Howard and Harden developed into. To me, it's a cultural and systematic change to get away from pure one-on-one iso Harden ball. That's why I think it's imperative to move him. If they trade Harden and pretty much start all over, at least things will be interesting. And if they get some nice young pieces that fit, they could even be entertaining, even if they suck. If I were a Houston fan, I'd be so over Harden and Howard.

    Trade Harden and I do like the hire.

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    7 seconds or less offense with Beverley as the orchestrator

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    3. He plays Motiejunas big minutes.
    I think this is a given. D'Antoni loves bigs who can shoot from the perimeter, but on the other hand I'm not sure Montie can keep up with D'Antoni's fastbreak style. Harden is actually perfect for his system, because he can bring the ball up the court and just chuck away at will. I'm interested to see who they bring in to compliment his system.

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    7 seconds or less offense with Beverley as the orchestrator
    He's not coming back to Houston. Expect an overhaul of that roster...

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    I like the hire if a few things go along with it.

    1. They find a way to get rid of Harden.
    2. They aggressively pursue a PG who fits his style. I honestly don't know who it would be, but one at least competent enough to run his system.
    3. He plays Motiejunas big minutes.

    I think fans, especially on these boards, think it's a win it all or it's failure type of approach for every team. That's not the case with Houston. I don't think this hire should be viewed as to whether it will help them win a championship or not. Or even get them to a legitimate contender level. To me, it's a hire to get away from the stagnant crap the pair of Howard and Harden developed into. To me, it's a cultural and systematic change to get away from pure one-on-one iso Harden ball. That's why I think it's imperative to move him. If they trade Harden and pretty much start all over, at least things will be interesting. And if they get some nice young pieces that fit, they could even be entertaining, even if they suck. If I were a Houston fan, I'd be so over Harden and Howard.

    Trade Harden and I do like the hire.
    Jam I think they should be careful of getting rid of Harden.
    Right now, I agree poor fit. But I think they should least talk to Harden (before trading him) and seeing if he is willing to buy in to what Mike D is selling.
    If he buys in maybe he could be iso Joe Johnson on Steroids the way JJ was when he was with the SSOL Suns ...
    IF he balks at playing alongside a PG and giving up the heavy iso dribbles then I would agree dish him even if it's for 75 cents on the dollar.
    But you shouldnt give away talent liek that wothout even trying ...

    My fear if they do trade Harden Lakers would offer some of your pieces to get a "star" and then Luke would probably be pissed.

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    http://www.sportsrageous.com/nba/jer...in-play/23999/

    Jeremy Lin, Mike D’Antoni reunion with Houston Rockets now in play

    LOL Rocketsfans heads explode.

  9. #59
    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    They're roundly panning the move here in Phoenix. Just sour grapes though.

  10. #60
    Out with the old... Obstructed_View's Avatar
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    2. They aggressively pursue a PG who fits his style.

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    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    Jam I think they should be careful of getting rid of Harden.
    Right now, I agree poor fit. But I think they should least talk to Harden (before trading him) and seeing if he is willing to buy in to what Mike D is selling.
    If he buys in maybe he could be iso Joe Johnson on Steroids the way JJ was when he was with the SSOL Suns ...
    IF he balks at playing alongside a PG and giving up the heavy iso dribbles then I would agree dish him even if it's for 75 cents on the dollar.
    But you shouldnt give away talent liek that wothout even trying ...

    My fear if they do trade Harden Lakers would offer some of your pieces to get a "star" and then Luke would probably be pissed.
    Actually, D'antoni + Harden would be a nice fit offensively because it doesn't put the entire scoring load on him. He does the ISOS so much because he feels no one else can get their own EXCEPT Beasley. No one knew their role last year. Add to that Dwight pouting the whole year. Removing him is a big obstacle removed. But, D'antoni needs his players. Ryan Anderson, Horford, and Deng would be a nice coup.
    Last edited by djohn2oo8; 05-28-2016 at 10:50 AM.

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    Obviously D'Antoni has his flaws but the reaction is ridiculous.

    Who should the Rockets have hired? Who wouldnt get said reaction?

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    this may be a chicken and egg problem, but one thing to concsider, is that Mike has had talent, but awful FO.

    Sarver, A nearly dead Jimm Buss, Dolan.

    These guys were cheap, incompetent, incompetent.

    Decent talent but these various teams haven't exactly overachieved without D-antoni. Certainly, without Nash, Mike isn't anything special, but compared to the other trash they interviewed I am fine with it. Van Gundy is a whole other issue, If they wanted him to coach it would have happened. They talked, it didn't happened so case closed.



    It'll be interesting to see, I've long thought that when pop retired, D'Antonio was the best option to lead a team with Chucker Tony as its best player. But after another year of Iso KAwhi and Iso LMA i see spur fans getting jealous just a bit.

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    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    LMAO Morey's face


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    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    Veteran Indazone's Avatar
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    Now all we need is our own version of the "Splash" brothers. Watch Morey go back out and bring back Troy Daniels whom he should never have traded away in the first place. D'Antoni will also turn Beverly into a no defense three point shooting fool. lol

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    LMAO Morey's face

    He looks like McKayla Maroney.



    I don't think he's impressed either.

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    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    Now all we need is our own version of the "Splash" brothers. Watch Morey go back out and bring back Troy Daniels whom he should never have traded away in the first place. D'Antoni will also turn Beverly into a no defense three point shooting fool. lol
    They need shooters everywhere. Not just two or 3.

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    Bzdelik: We have compe ive guys who want to win, if you look at the last 10 NBA championship teams, nine of them have finished both in the top 10 in offense and defense, so they know unless they’re really not walking the talk; you've got to be committed on both ends. When players are really comfortable offensively and feel really good, that feeds into their defensive energy in a positive way. When they’re sideways offensively they can be sideways defensively, very easily. Unfortunately it shouldn’t be that way, but it is that way.

    What’s your main philosophy on defense?

    Bzdelik: All five guys have to be committed. It takes all five guys to get a stop. The goal is to have teams take tough, contested twos outside the paint and inside the arc. In order to do that, you have to have great defensive transition because we can’t be one-way runners. Take away easy baskets so they can’t get a coast-to-coast layup; they can’t get a layup off one pass or two passes. They got to have more than two passes and get that ball swung from one side to the other side and players clearly have to know the scheme and be held accountable, as we are held accountable by all of you.

    James Harden took a lot of heat from the media for his defensive play. Is he a better defender than what we think?

    Bzdelik: He can defend, as all of them can when they want to, and that goes back to everybody needs to be committed and there needs to be a trust. You can be selfish on defense like you can be selfish on offense by not being where you’re supposed to be to help your teammate or communicate.

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    My Favorite Faded Fantasy The Gemini Method's Avatar
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    Definitely an interesting hire. Why go for a new, young innovative coach like Brad Stevens when you can hire re-tread after re-tread. There are some decent Rocket fans on this board. They don't deserve this. Hopefully I'm wrong. I, too, had hope once when he was pringling the L.A. sidelines...that faded quicker than lust after a one-night-stand.

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    Leslie looks like he had a stroke.

    Why does the fat slob GM in Houston get his fourth or fifth opportunity to rebuild the Rockets? The guy is a failure.

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    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    Leslie looks like he had a stroke.

    Why does the fat slob GM in Houston get his fourth or fifth opportunity to rebuild the Rockets? The guy is a failure.
    to be fair, Alexander does not want to tank.

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    Definitely an interesting hire. Why go for a new, young innovative coach like Brad Stevens when you can hire re-tread after re-tread. There are some decent Rocket fans on this board. They don't deserve this. Hopefully I'm wrong. I, too, had hope once when he was pringling the L.A. sidelines...that faded quicker than lust after a one-night-stand.
    I'd honestly be more excited for some up and coming no namer than Pringles, who couldn't win without Nash and Stoudemire.

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    D'Antoni Interview from 2015 after the Warriors Championship run


    SI.com: So would you say, everyone considers it “Morey-ball” where the Rockets are really only interested in layups, threes and free throws, that theory actually originated within your Seven Seconds Or Less offense?
    D'Antoni: I don’t know. I think they did a lot of analytics and they just saw what is good mathematically and they were able to put a team together that that was their strengths and they went with it and they’re being even more bold about it than I ever was [Laughs]. They’re really going after it. So, we’ll see. Again, when you have a lot of teams doing it, you’re going to have one of those teams win it. I thought when we started we were really the only team playing that way, and when we didn’t win a championship—which it’s hard to win a championship—people said, well, the system doesn’t work. And that wasn’t the case, it was just that we had some injuries or we had that and we just weren’t quite good enough. Golden State has proven you can play that way and play the way Houston plays and win. I think it validates a lot of it.


    http://www.si.com/nba/2015/10/02/mik...r-alvin-gentry

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    D'Antoni Interview from 2015 after the Warriors Championship run


    SI.com: So would you say, everyone considers it “Morey-ball” where the Rockets are really only interested in layups, threes and free throws, that theory actually originated within your Seven Seconds Or Less offense?
    D'Antoni: I don’t know. I think they did a lot of analytics and they just saw what is good mathematically and they were able to put a team together that that was their strengths and they went with it and they’re being even more bold about it than I ever was [Laughs]. They’re really going after it. So, we’ll see. Again, when you have a lot of teams doing it, you’re going to have one of those teams win it. I thought when we started we were really the only team playing that way, and when we didn’t win a championship—which it’s hard to win a championship—people said, well, the system doesn’t work. And that wasn’t the case, it was just that we had some injuries or we had that and we just weren’t quite good enough. Golden State has proven you can play that way and play the way Houston plays and win. I think it validates a lot of it.


    http://www.si.com/nba/2015/10/02/mik...r-alvin-gentry
    I disagree that GSW plays that way. The Rockets way really wasn't about 3s/layups/FTs, it's about having one dominant player drive and kick, which is similar to Nash and the Suns. The Warriors have more passers on the offense, and any one player can actually make that pass that leads to a score. The movement of the Warriors are much better, and the closer analogy were the 13/14 Spurs, but the 13/14 Spurs didn't have offensive players that were as good as GSW.

    Sure SSOL had an influence on the 13/14 Spurs with less emphasis on iso-ball and more on passing, but SSOL was still having one ball dominant player and a bunch of recipients. 13/14 Spurs moved that decision make out to more players, and GSW made it even more so.

    We are not even going to talk about defense, because I am sure D'antoni isn't interested in it.

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