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    Sure, you can redefine the term however you like. The media won't follow suit and it's a media created term. Do other teams build their defensive scheme to stop him? Would you build a team around him? Has he ever been alpha on the team? If so I haven't seen it. I've seen plenty times when he could though. He's insanely talented.
    I would take Kawhi in a heartbeat over most everybody. Hes not as talented as alot but hes got heart and brains and does the unheralded stuff. People point to KD and RW as the reason OKC won but it was there bigs plain and simple. Stephen Adams wouldnt be considered a superstar but I bet Pops and now Kerr sure are game planning around him.

    Are coaches game planning around Kawhi? Not for his offense but the way he guards players like Lebron, Im sure hes on their mind. Plus what he does is hard to plan around because his effectiveness is spread to so many categories, minus passing, which I hope is a part of his next evolution. Doesnt matter if coaches game plan around him or not Kawhi is extremely effective.

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    I would take Kawhi in a heartbeat over most everybody. Hes not as talented as alot but hes got heart and brains and does the unheralded stuff. People point to KD and RW as the reason OKC won but it was there bigs plain and simple. Stephen Adams wouldnt be considered a superstar but I bet Pops and now Kerr sure are game planning around him.

    Are coaches game planning around Kawhi? Not for his offense but the way he guards players like Lebron, Im sure hes on their mind. Plus what he does is hard to plan around because his effectiveness is spread to so many categories, minus passing, which I hope is a part of his next evolution. Doesnt matter if coaches game plan around him or not Kawhi is extremely effective.
    as a 3rd option

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    How could teams not be gameplanning for Kawhi? He's the Spurs second best scorer. You always have to plan for the top 2-3 scorers on any team.

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    How could teams not be gameplanning for Kawhi? He's the Spurs second best scorer. You always have to plan for the top 2-3 scorers on any team.
    because they know that he will just shoot jumpers at the end of the game. Really no explanation needed here.

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    because they know that he will just shoot jumpers at the end of the game. Really no explanation needed here.
    At the end of games? So they're planning for 3 quarters?

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    I would take Kawhi in a heartbeat over most everybody. Hes not as talented as alot but hes got heart and brains and does the unheralded stuff. People point to KD and RW as the reason OKC won but it was there bigs plain and simple. Stephen Adams wouldnt be considered a superstar but I bet Pops and now Kerr sure are game planning around him.

    Are coaches game planning around Kawhi? Not for his offense but the way he guards players like Lebron, Im sure hes on their mind. Plus what he does is hard to plan around because his effectiveness is spread to so many categories, minus passing, which I hope is a part of his next evolution. Doesnt matter if coaches game plan around him or not Kawhi is extremely effective.
    Stuff is unheralded for a reason. He's a great player but thus far we've only seen a restrained version. If Tim and Manu retire, he will break out.

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    At the end of games? So they're planning for 3 quarters?
    I don't think so. The plan for me would be not to let danny green get off and control parker's attempts to get into the lane. KL will get the quietest 20 points, but he would still be an after thought from Marshas turnaround post game.

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    Agreed. Roberson and Barnes own him

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    If Pop wasn't holding on to the Spurs yesteryears in regards to the big three, especially a declining Tony Parker, maybe the spurs wouldn't have lost last year against the Clippers and this year against OKC. This is the PG era and the spurs are way behind in that category. They can't matchup with any contender in the NBA who has a an elite pg because Pop wants to force the issue with Parker, a defensive and now offensive liability. Some NBA analysts were saying after the OKC series that age has finally caught up with the spurs. Uh, that was evident last year too but the Spurs thought they could just bring in LMA and WCF was guaranteed. These Kawhi haters smh. His first real year leading the team in the shadow of the big three. Spurs fans are in denial that the core is washed up and Kawhi and LMA cannot carry them until the spurs FO gets some young players. It was cringe-worthy watching the spurs in that OKC series because no spurs guard could run a fastbreak without it deteriorating. Kawhi cannot be a playmaker because Pop hasn't given him that responsibility, Pop still thinks it's 2013. He still believes Parker and Manu can run the offense even though they can't run past anyone off the dribble anymore, too damn slow. And now the Spurs rumor is that they want to bring in Conley lmao. Like he will fix the gaping hole that is the starting pg. Conley is injury prone and was only great 3 years ago.

    Overall, you could say the Spurs were the most overrated team in the NBA. They were a 67 win team who were beating up on bad teams and when it was money time they couldn't beat the elite. They are an old team. Pop was also outcoached 2 years in a row. He has some unspoken promise to the big three. They are clinging on to the past and need to move on. Revamp the team and hire a coach who can actually make adjustments and isn't so stubborn. Pop got his 5 rings and doesn't even look like he wants to win. Also the spurs are starting to look like a retirement home, with all these vets that are coming in. I don't know why the FO gets so much praise when they haven't drafted anyone, after Kawhi, that looks promising. Kyle Anderson looks like a bust, Boban is too slow for the NBA and Simmons is not ready.

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    Come on! We lost because he is not a superstar! Superstars win! Losers Lose! L.
    Biggest line of BS I have ever read!

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    Kawhi is a completely player, He drives to basket, shoot midrange, shoot 3's, can rebound, plays very good defense, can guard the best offensive player of any team. What else can you ask for? Yes, he missed crucial shots, so as other great players. We should just be thankful we have this type of player on our favorite team.

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    He is the best player in the league. Him being overrated is nonsense. If you want to debate 1,2, or 3rd best that's fine, but he's world class.

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    Oh your a Kawhi troll. Good to know.

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    Kawhi is a star, higher level and talent-wise one of the best in the game, but superstar means more than that.
    Except Cuban, most people/media say Westbrook is a superstar. If he's one, we have to include Kawhi as superstar, too.

    I'd pick Kawhi over Westbrook all day.

    How could teams not be gameplanning for Kawhi? He's the Spurs second best scorer. You always have to plan for the top 2-3 scorers on any team.
    Kawhi was for 2nd consecutive season the Spurs leading scorer in regular season and playoffs...But people still think other teams don't plan for him.

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    Kawhi has never had a chokejob like the one that Durant just pulled.

    Porker, on the other hand? He does that every postseason.

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    Who cares about the term superstar. Really. I've always understood the term to entail ones ability to sell press. Getting the casual fan to buy said product or tune in to watch solely on name recognition. The Spurs dont have time for that . Bigger compliment is MVP candidate in the year of Curry. Kawhi has nothing to prove to anyone and he's still hungry. Testament to the man.

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    Who cares about the term superstar. Really. I've always understood the term to entail ones ability to sell press. Getting the casual fan to buy said product or tune in to watch solely on name recognition. The Spurs dont have time for that . Bigger compliment is MVP candidate in the year of Curry. Kawhi has nothing to prove to anyone and he's still hungry. Testament to the man.
    Exactly. Part of doing that is stepping on other people and talking . Kawhi does neither.

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    Kawhi hasn't shot his team out of a playoff win like Durant did, but he has disappeared at the end of a game. Both are examples of choking to me.

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    Kawhi hasn't shot his team out of a playoff win like Durant did, but he has disappeared at the end of a game. Both are examples of choking to me.
    And he hasn't led his team to ANYTHING.

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    Trade Kawhi for Simmons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

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    The reason the spurs lost is that after the march knee thing save for the last game Duncan looked like he was playing at about 65%. Not of peak Duncan but of this season Duncan. Which means he was on the bench a lot and LMA was the sole starting calibre big man. Boris wasn't interested this year or he is old or some combination of both and West is at this point a quality backup and rotation PF but isn't a center and never has been.

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    I love Kawhi but he is overrated especially on this forum. While he is a great defensive player his offensive side is severely lacking. Let's face it. If we only saw his highlights when he has the ball we would think of him as an average to above average NBA player.
    No, Kawi ain't close to overrated.

    DPOY, And was second in MVP voting because the Spurs won the 2nd most games in the league, and he averaged over 20 a game: well deserved.

    In reality, Kawi is top 5 in in the league, not top 2.

    Like I said, Kawi ain't even close to overrated, see him underrated by posters on here,

    like y'all expect him to be Jordan or TD, or be good enough to beat the refs.

    Grow up, it ain't ever gonna fing happen.

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    Kawhi Leonard is not overrated at all lol, come on now. This is a top 5 player in the game now.

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    Kawhi Leonard is not overrated at all lol, come on now. This is a top 5 player in the game now.
    yes he is.

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