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    I agree plus I think its less taxing physically and fits better with LMA. LMA therefore needs to develop a better inside game and passing out of it.
    Softridge was surrounded w/ shooters in Portland & had an AST% of 9.2 at a career high USG% of 30.2 last season. Tim at the same point of his career had an AST% of 18 w/ a USG% of 28 while playing w/ Porker who isn't a shooter.

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    I agree plus I think its less taxing physically and fits better with LMA. LMA therefore needs to develop a better inside game and passing out of it.
    Rather than going outside and taking more threes I think Kawhi would be more effective improving and diversifying his low post game and learning how to handle double teams consistently. He can overwhelm most forwards on the low block and with improved footwork he could be devastating down there drawing more fouls and becoming a playmaker from the post.

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    Rather than going outside and taking more threes I think Kawhi would be more effective improving and diversifying his low post game and learning how to handle double teams consistently. He can overwhelm most forwards on the low block and with improved footwork he could be devastating down there drawing more fouls and becoming a playmaker from the post.
    He definitely needs to get to the line at a rate higher than Marion Chalmers.

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    Softridge was surrounded w/ shooters in Portland & had an AST% of 9.2 at a career high USG% of 30.2 last season. Tim at the same point of his career had an AST% of 18 w/ a USG% of 28 while playing w/ Porker who isn't a shooter.
    Hes got his work cut out for him. Hes good but needs to be more well rounded. Hope he continues to learn from Duncan.

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    Yeah so? Put into perspective. Kawhi has never put up 40 points in his whole career. Thompson has put up 37 in a single quarter. He is more than just a shooter like Danny Green. He can score by driving and on floaters. It just so happens that shooting is his forte.
    Jesus christ. Yeah, he's a better offensive player than Green but he's still primarily a spot-up shooter than depends on others to set him up. He's not a guy that you can run your offense through or that can consistently come out on top in iso situations. Kawhi is.

    You can say he's more explosive than Kawhi when he's on. But he's not a better offensive player than Kawhi.

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    Rather than going outside and taking more threes I think Kawhi would be more effective improving and diversifying his low post game and learning how to handle double teams consistently. He can overwhelm most forwards on the low block and with improved footwork he could be devastating down there drawing more fouls and becoming a playmaker from the post.
    Whatever comes easy to him he should do more of. If hes good at postups, by all means. I mention 3 pt shooting because hes good at it and its easier physically than driving, which he mostly shoots a mid range jumper instead of finishing. If he can just pin a guy down low, do an up and under, maybe an internal pass to LMA, making better chemistry, yeah.

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    Hes got his work cut out for him. Hes good but needs to be more well rounded. Hope he continues to learn from Duncan.
    He should just work on expanding his range & become a knockdown 3 point shooter like Rasheed so he doesn't have to deal w/ double-teams until PATFO euthanize Porker.

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    KL is better on the D department...Klay Thompson is good in the O department.....KL is much stronger though .......either way I would want both on my team....

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    The Warriors have 3 players that are arguably better than Kawhi

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    No, they don't.

    Green and Thompson aren't better than Leonard.

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    How do you keep having those debates? Nothing of this is relevant cause we all know Kawhi will keep fall under the pressure in real time...
    Why are you so stupid, man?

    Even with the last two "failures," Kawhi still has a NBA championship, Finals MVP, and two Finals appearances to his credit.

    Get out of here with your stupid takes.

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    Kawhi should try and speed up his release as well. What make Klay such a great scorer is his ability to get his shot up even when tightly contested.

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    He's basically Danny Green with dribbling ability.

    It's funny that the media talks about how great Steph Curry is but then talk about how great Klay and Draymond are. Well either Steph is great and makes those 2 better or Steph is overrated as .


    What this shows is that the Spurs need bare minimum another star to compete with the Warriors and Cavs who each have a Big3 (and good/great role players). Even OKC has a Big2 with several great role players. The Spurs need to either upgrade the role players or add at least one more star to compete.

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    Kwahi is a better all-around player and more consistent. He had three great games stretch vs LeBron in 2014 finals, didn't destroy LeBron in these three games, but canceled him out completely. And whenever he cancels out opposing team's #1 option, Spurs win automatically. He is a better core player to build around.

    Klay has higher one-game ceiling. 37 in a quarter, 11 3-pointers in the toughest game of the Steve Kerr era where he was the most dominant player on the court. He is comparable to Ginobili on the classic GDP big three teams. When you are desperate, he steps up and delivers a game far above his average games and gets you over the finish line. You can not build around him, but with his lack of ego, the perfect player next to a MVP.

    Seriously Splash Brothers is the most amazing backcourt in NBA history. Can you name Jordan/Kobe's point guards? How about Stockton/Nash/Kidd/Payton's shooting guards? All blue collar grunts. Klay would have been first team all-NBA if shooting guard still has its own slot like center does, he and Curry's games are perfect for each other.
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    Klaymond, one great game. Sure he carried Steff but what next? Bigger physical threat than Shaq

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    Hype and heat of the moment type of things from the other night, happens all the time. Kawhi has a great series or playoffs next year they will all flip flop on that.

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    Why are you so stupid, man?
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    Kawhi should try and speed up his release as well. What make Klay such a great scorer is his ability to get his shot up even when tightly contested.
    Klay doesn't dip (never puts the ball below his chest) nor jump when he shoots much like Manu, which is why he has a quick release. Kawhi on the other hand uses his leg a LOT (that's why he struggles when he's tired) & has an average release much like Carmelo.
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    There's no credible argument for Thompson being as good as, let alone better than Leonard. But like the vast majority of old school media types, Smith has both an elementary understanding and antiquated view of the game.

    Essentially, everything comes down to how much a player scores and how they carry themselves. He's never liked the Spurs because they're not "black" enough for him and despite Leonard's appearance, he's no different.
    Absolutely . I think that all around players are 100 times better than scorers only. I think that the NBA is filled with players who ARE NOT the best at this sport. The difference between KL and Klay is that, and I rarely watch the Warriors, when I watch the warriors play, I see him hit BIG SHOTS when needed. I watch the spurs A LOT. I see KL hit some great shots. I see KL make some AWESOME Defensive plays. But I don't see him TAKE OVER. I don't see him make these plays at a high rate when needed.

    Like Game 6 of the Warriors/Thunder - Thompson hit like 8 BIG TIME shots. More in that Game than KL did all series. He's the quietest "scorer" Ive ever seen. And I don't mean "no Flash" He can do it - no doubt - he just doesn't. Thompson does.

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    I'm trying to think of what SAS could be thinking of, but I'm coming up with nothing. Leonard is better player than Thompson in every way. I don't even think it's a close comparison. Kawhi is WAY better than he is.
    If that isn't a Spurstalk Homer opinion, I don't know what is.


    Klay >>>> KL on offense. If it wasn't for Curry ballhogging, Klay would have multiple 50 point games and would average 30

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    Absolutely . I think that all around players are 100 times better than scorers only. I think that the NBA is filled with players who ARE NOT the best at this sport. The difference between KL and Klay is that, and I rarely watch the Warriors, when I watch the warriors play, I see him hit BIG SHOTS when needed. I watch the spurs A LOT. I see KL hit some great shots. I see KL make some AWESOME Defensive plays. But I don't see him TAKE OVER. I don't see him make these plays at a high rate when needed.

    Like Game 6 of the Warriors/Thunder - Thompson hit like 8 BIG TIME shots. More in that Game than KL did all series. He's the quietest "scorer" Ive ever seen. And I don't mean "no Flash" He can do it - no doubt - he just doesn't. Thompson does.
    what the ? have you ever watched Klay Thompson prior to this playoff run? He literally never even had an average playoff run in his career in 4 attempts..he was probably the biggest playoff under-performer in the NBA among All-Star caliber players, despite rarely having to create for himself..

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    Klay is able to change games with his shooting since he's such a good shooter but there's multiple ways to take over games. For Kawhi to goto the next level he needs to be able to take over games and win them. It doesn't mean he plays hero ball but he makes the other guys better.

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    I guess people quickly forget how Kawhi shot the Spurs back into game 5 of the 2014 finals after a horrid start. Klay has the same usage as Kawhi and is less efficient. Meanwhile, Klay grades as an average defender at best by most metrics (benefits from great team D) while Kawhi is elite.

    Then again, Kawhi is the most important player on his team while Klay is #4. Yes, Iggy is that much more important against the Thunder, Spurs and Cavs.

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    Klay is able to change games with his shooting since he's such a good shooter but there's multiple ways to take over games. For Kawhi to goto the next level he needs to be able to take over games and win them. It doesn't mean he plays hero ball but he makes the other guys better.
    So could Danny Green (see 2013 finals) doesn't make him the best 2 way player. Klay was assisted on 77% of his playoff shots, 81% in the regular season.

    To put that in some perspective:

    Danny Green was assisted on 87% of his playoff shots, 85% in the regular season
    Kawhi Leonard was assisted on 43% of his playoff shots, 55% in the regular season

    Draymond Green was assisted on 62% of his playoff shots, 70% in the regular season
    Steph Curry was assisted on 35% of his playoff shots, 47% in the regular season

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    Meanwhile, Klay grades as an average defender at best by most metrics (benefits from great team D) while Kawhi is elite.
    Iggy & Livingston (against most matchups) are better defenders than Klay, which is why his DBPM is a negative.

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    Curry was the best Westbrook-defender in this series, btw

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