who are your top 15 national players of all time..World cup and Continental cup top..

[apalisoc_9]

Players?...

Should international compe ion be considered when ranking players?

Imo, in no order

Pele
Maradona
Kempes
Ronaldo El fenomeno
Garinccha
Franz B.
Zidane
Cruyff
Cafu
Klose
Redondo
Di steffano
Eusebio
platini
Baggio

[lefty]

Stan Collymore

[DAF86]

Most of those guys haven't won the WC Golden Ball. See sig, tbh.

[lefty]

Ah the much coveted pity award

[DAF86]

Haters gonna hate, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Everyone and their mother knew messi didnt deserve that .

Their Defense carried them the whole tournament. Terribel.

[DAF86]

Messi turned a group stage elimination (against the likes of Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria ) into a WC final, tbh.

Everyone underrates Messi's WC performance just 'cause he is Messi, and everyone expects him to score a hat-trick every game to say he didn't underperform, but the truth is that he was the most important player of all the players that made it to the final. Without him Argentina wouldn't have made it that far. Of what other player can you say that? Neur? Nah, goal keepers aren't that important. Mueller, Klose?

Truth is, Germany was a team in every sense of the wose. Argentina was a one man team. Nobody was more valuable to its team than Messi. That's why he won it, tbh.

[DAF86]

Messi turned a group stage elimination (against the likes of Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria ) into a WC final, tbh.

Everyone underrates Messi's WC performance just 'cause he is Messi, and everyone expects him to score a hat-trick every game to say he didn't underperform, but the truth is that he was the most important player of all the players that made it to the final. Without him Argentina wouldn't have made it that far. Of what other player can you say that? Neur? Nah, goal keepers aren't that important. Mueller, Klose?

Truth is, Germany was a team in every sense of the word. Argentina was a one man team. Nobody was more valuable to its team than Messi. That's why he won it, tbh.

[lefty]

TheGreatYacht

It's time

[apalisoc_9]

Did this just say 2014 was all messi?

Gtfo with your revisionist history! The ty defense you always complained about is what carried the team the whole tournament.

[ElNono]

IMVHO...

1st tier:
Maradona
Pele

2nd tier:
Cruyff
Di Stefano
Messi
Beckenbauer
Ronaldo (Brazil)

3rd tier:
Garrincha
Ronaldinho
Ronaldo (Portugal)
Zidane
Van Basten
Baggio
Platini
Francescoli
(and you can add a few more here)

Players within a tier can be ranked whichever way you prefer, IMO... I have zero problems with people that say Pele was better than Diego, I really didn't watch much of Pele, and it's an argument that's going to be there forever, but I think there's little doubt those two are within their own tier. Obviously, there's some players that are still active and could continue to move up...

[turkish spurs fan]

i dont remember the performance of messi in international cups to deserve to enter that list

[ElNono]

The Champions League is a continental cup...

[TheGreatYacht]

Wayne Rooney

[urunobili]

IMVHO...

1st tier:
Maradona
Pele

2nd tier:
Cruyff
Di Stefano
Messi
Beckenbauer
Ronaldo (Brazil)

3rd tier:
Garrincha
Ronaldinho
Ronaldo (Portugal)
Zidane
Van Basten
Baggio
Platini
Francescoli
(and you can add a few more here)

Players within a tier can be ranked whichever way you prefer, IMO... I have zero problems with people that say Pele was better than Diego, I really didn't watch much of Pele, and it's an argument that's going to be there forever, but I think there's little doubt those two are within their own tier. Obviously, there's some players that are still active and could continue to move up...

If you're going to put a token Uruguayan on the 3rd tier you should put there Alcides Gighia or Obdulio Varela not Enzo. They won the 50's world cup and almost rang in 54' if not losing that fluke 4-3 semis game to Hungary. Uruguay was 4th that WC after losing their motivation in that game...

As is, Suarez >>>>>>> Enzo in Uruguay WC history...

[turkish spurs fan]

1) ghiggia

[Brazil]

IMVHO...

1st tier:
Maradona
Pele

2nd tier:
Cruyff
Di Stefano
Messi
Beckenbauer
Ronaldo (Brazil)

3rd tier:
Garrincha
Ronaldinho
Ronaldo (Portugal)
Zidane
Van Basten
Baggio
Platini
Francescoli
(and you can add a few more here)

Players within a tier can be ranked whichever way you prefer, IMO... I have zero problems with people that say Pele was better than Diego, I really didn't watch much of Pele, and it's an argument that's going to be there forever, but I think there's little doubt those two are within their own tier. Obviously, there's some players that are still active and could continue to move up...

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[Brazil]

Glad seeing Garrincha getting some love ... dude was a bit forgotten and totally under the radar

[Canyonero]

OP one more thread and I'm deporting you.

[turkish spurs fan]

hagi was better than maradona tbh

[ElNono]

If you're going to put a token Uruguayan on the 3rd tier you should put there Alcides Gighia or Obdulio Varela not Enzo. They won the 50's world cup and almost rang in 54' if not losing that fluke 4-3 semis game to Hungary. Uruguay was 4th that WC after losing their motivation in that game...

As is, Suarez >>>>>>> Enzo in Uruguay WC history...

Being a River fan, I have a bias when it comes to Enzo, tbh... can't deny that...

[DAF86]

Did this just say 2014 was all messi?

Gtfo with your revisionist history! The ty defense you always complained about is what carried the team the whole tournament.

You also said that. Don't feel like searching the thread, but you know you said it. You will probably say it was all trolling but you said it, tbh.

[DAF86]

Oh, what the . Just for fun

I'll come clean and admit that it's been a joy watching Messi dominate oppositions. He hasn't scored a goal in the knock out stages, but he set up Di Maria and had a hand in Higuain's goal against Belgium. Ultimately, his biggest contribution comes from the fact that he has to be marked and that really limits opponents offensively..His ability to keep CMF's and DMF's play defense 90% is also part of the reason why oppositions are having trouble building up offense. He breaks the connection between offense and defense..Messi is the main gun in offense and part of the reason why they're successful in defending as well.

You might notice him walking in the field in defense and waiting in front, but a close look and you will know that it effectively keeps CMF's and DMF's at bay..which limits other teams to crosses and poor attempts in the middle. I only wish Ronaldo was used in the same sense.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...13#post7504313

[Phenomanul]

IMVHO...

1st tier:
Pelé (Brazil)
D. Maradona (Argentina)
L. Messi (Argentina)

2nd tier:
J. Cruyff (The Netherlands)
A. Di Stefano (Argentina)
F. Beckenbauer (Germany)
Ronaldo (Brazil)
Garrincha (Brazil)

3rd tier:
Romário (Brazil)
J. Klinsmann (Germany)
T. Cubillas (Peru)
Ronaldinho (Brazil)
Ronaldo (Portugal)
Z. Zidane (France)
H. Sánchez (México)
M. van Basten (The Netherlands)
R. Baggio (Italy)
M. Platini (France)
E. Francescoli (Uruguay)
R. Gullit (The Netherlands)
G. Batistuta (Argentina)
B. Laudrup (Denmark)
L. Matthäus (Germany)
F. Puskás (Hungary)
D. Bergkamp (The Netherlands)
A. Iniesta (Spain)
G. Buffon (Italy)
Eusébio (Portugal)
G. Hagi (Romania)
H. Stoichkov (Bulgaria)
Zico (Brazil)
P. Maldini (Italy)
Raúl (Spain)
G. Müller (Germany)
B. Charlton (England)
S. Matthews (England)

(and you can add a few more here)

Players within a tier can be ranked whichever way you prefer, IMO... I have zero problems with people that say Pele was better than Diego, I really didn't watch much of Pele, and it's an argument that's going to be there forever, but I think there's little doubt those two are within their own tier. Obviously, there's some players that are still active and could continue to move up...

I know that you didn't want to come off as a homer (given that you are Argentinean) but Messi ABSOLUTELY belongs in that first tier. His play on the field and the things he is able to do are mesmerizing --> that it doesn't always translate to success on the NT is another matter entirely. At his best, Messi's abilities are unrivaled.

Anyways... here is my revised list - keeping the spirit of your concept. I bumped Garrincha up a tier given I saw some of the things he was able to do on the pitch on some Televisa do entaries (it's a shame alcoholism and bad management ultimately derailed his career)...

[Brazil]

dat Messi fan boys tbh