Erazem Lorbek, Davis Bertan, Adam Hanga, DeShaun Thomas

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Cost us a 'ship. What more of a break do you need?

Dumbing down only reveals your level. Nothing more.

[objective]

Count me in as being pro-Bertans. I think people have a lack of imagination or are just jaded from so many stashes never coming or getting hurt all the time or burning the Spurs for another deal.

I still need to chart his shots, but going off memory his misses were largely because of shot selection, off the dribble, drifting, behind the back, low percentage shots. When he was set at a standstill or catching off curls he was deadliest. This is a guy who from three shot 47.4% in euroleague and 44.4% in the ACB. And that's with wild shots and not a whole lot of attention drawn by the other players like will happen with the Spurs.

Reminder: Marco Belineli was a trashcan journeyman who despite his shooting skill and rep for shooting still didn't really deliver. Most of his career was under 40%. His best year, by far, was that first spurs season when he shot 43.0%. Why? Because he was finally in a disciplined offense that made most of his shots good attempts. His wild tendencies were reined in and his crap dribble dribble fall out of bounds 25 footers with time on the clock were minimized.

It should be no shock that his worst season was this past season with the Kings where the offense had little discipline and a toxic out of control environment and he was left to his own instincts to vomit up garbage.

Bertans ability to shoot coming off screens so well at his size could be a huge asset to the offense. Running him around in action when defenses should be great.

And the rest of his game isn't bad either.

[HankChinaski]

I still need to chart his shots, but going off memory his misses were largely because of shot selection, off the dribble, drifting, behind the back, low percentage shots. When he was set at a standstill or catching off curls he was deadliest. This is a guy who from three shot 47.4% in euroleague and 44.4% in the ACB. And that's with wild shots and not a whole lot of attention drawn by the other players like will happen with the Spurs.

Reminder: Marco Belineli was a trashcan journeyman who despite his shooting skill and rep for shooting still didn't really deliver. Most of his career was under 40%. His best year, by far, was that first spurs season when he shot 43.0%.

Bertans ability to shoot coming off screens so well at his size could be a huge asset to the offense. Running him around in action when defenses should be great.

And the rest of his game isn't bad either.

I noticed these same things also. Charting his shots I don't know. But I am in the same view of him be valuable off the bench. That kind of shooting if carried over would have been huge this post season.

[HankChinaski]

He hasn't come over because of injury and rehab. If he hadn't gotten injured last season I was under the strong belief he would have been on the roster this current season.

[CP48107]

I actually don't think yall give anderson enough credit. dude is young, thrown into the fire early in his career and has a ton of upside. give the young buck a break.

+1

[ace3g]

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

You made it kind of obvious when you said I was wrong with what I said about Fathead...

Your intense hatred for a guy who is being paid 900k to be 9-10th man is pretty hilarious.

We have bigger problems further up the roster, y'know?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

his frame/build is similar to kd's. 6'10", can catch and shoot from 3...

Looks a bit like a more athletic, younger Bjelica.

, bring the kid over. Time we injected some youth and hops into this team, especially in the big rotation.

[TheGoldStandard]

Bertans seems like the only legit guy that they could bring over and he would actually get minutes.. I'd love to get Mulitinov over here but doubt the spurs buy him out of his contract only to go hang out in the D League. Spurs have a real distrust for letting young guys play real minutes.

Bertans success will ultimately fall upon who he shares the court with in the second unit. Who's running point and what his role will be with the 2nd unit.

[palangi]

Your intense hatred for a guy who is being paid 900k to be 9-10th man is pretty hilarious.

We have bigger problems further up the roster, y'know?

It is funny watching him throw his fits. You are right though, he is barking about a problem way down the line.

But I will say if we can get Bertans over I wouldn't mind trading Anderson and seeing what we could get out of him.

[palangi]

Bertans seems like the only legit guy that they could bring over and he would actually get minutes.. I'd love to get Mulitinov over here but doubt the spurs buy him out of his contract only to go hang out in the D League. Spurs have a real distrust for letting young guys play real minutes.

Bertans success will ultimately fall upon who he shares the court with in the second unit. Who's running point and what his role will be with the 2nd unit.

I agree on Mulitinov with you. But I sure wish they would buck that trend and bring him over. His development would speed up in my opinion. Get him in the system. With the Toros or even the end of the Spurs bench. Getting him going right. And not euro ball right.

[TheGoldStandard]

I agree on Mulitinov with you. But I sure wish they would buck that trend and bring him over. His development would speed up in my opinion. Get him in the system. With the Toros or even the end of the Spurs bench. Getting him going right. And not euro ball right.

In the interest of saving money the Spurs have probably caused a lot of those draft n stash players never to get a shot at having a real NBA career. Sometimes it takes being thrown into a real fire in order to figure out if you have the mental for ude to be a successful player. I just really hope Pop gets over himself if they bring over some of these players so they can get real rotational minutes and not be benched in the playoffs and then desperately thrown in there when all hope is lost.

[silverblackfan]

He hasn't come over because of injury and rehab. If he hadn't gotten injured last season I was under the strong belief he would have been on the roster this current season.

That was my belief also. He is 6'10" and can shoot very well off quick screens. Pop can find a use for him with the bench unit.

[Chinook]

I can't speak to the D-League, but I watched every available second of the Summer leagues over the last several seasons. The strengths that he had there disappeared against teams in the pre-season. I'm fine having them invite him for another camp, but he's just undersized for his skillset, and that's never going to change unless he's re-invented himself.

Almost everyone looks better against lower compe ion. Thomas was the primary scorer during his summer-league days. That's a lot different than being a guy who forced himself into the final slot of a training-camp roster. You're right that he didn't look very good, but he also didn't play much. He definitely needs to develop as a shooter, and his lack of height or quickness really limits him regardless. But from purely a production standpoint, Thomas as been fine. Dude looks to be a fine Euroleague player, and that's better than a good deal of prospects.

[Chinook]

And so what.
He was the 42nd pick in the draft, a little bonus from Indy in the George Hill- Kawhi Leonard trade.
Of the 18 players taken after him only 4 where in the NBA at the end of this past season (one barely) and only one has had a significant career.

The PATFO reputation is over rated. However, they do as well, probably better than any other FO in finding players. Be it draft picks are bringing in free agents. They miss more often than they hit. However, they keep trying. In 99 they got Manu, but does anyone remember Gordan Giricek? The Spurs took him 19 spots before.

Your response seems off-base. My point was that Bertans taking five years to get the to level he's currently at doesn't instill confidence in the draft-and-stash system. If this were two or three years ago, it would be good. But using a relatively high second for a guy who might be a tenth man five years later is really not that good. I think even with the injuries, Davis would be much farther along had he been brought over right away.

I will say, though, that PATFO aren't all that great at finding players. They're very good, but there are numerous teams that find gems just as well. Look at Denver, or Portland, or even Memphis. The Spurs' DnS record isn't that particularly impressive, especially when you take out Manu and Splitter (both of whom were great players when drafted and who don't owe much credit to the Spurs for their development overseas).

[tholdren]

Almost everyone looks better against lower compe ion. Thomas was the primary scorer during his summer-league days. That's a lot different than being a guy who forced himself into the final slot of a training-camp roster. You're right that he didn't look very good, but he also didn't play much. He definitely needs to develop as a shooter, and his lack of height or quickness really limits him regardless. But from purely a production standpoint, Thomas as been fine. Dude looks to be a fine Euroleague player, and that's better than a good deal of prospects.

Worse stats than Jon Diebler.

[objective]

I watched 55 of the 56 threes he attempted in euroleague this year, only one I couldn't find footage of as the video was clipped. 1 was a full court heave to end a quarter. And because he started the season late due to injury he missed the euroleague regular season and the chump teams, this was against primo compe ion.

I'll post a more detailed breakdown later, but he's going to be a bigger impact than I thought. He takes a dump on Marco as a shooter. He's going to have such gravity, he might have a chance to be a wobbly knee Korver.

I had him at 6-9 in the corners. And with his height and quick release he'll get them off.

[MaNu4Tres]

I watched 55 of the 56 threes he attempted in euroleague this year, only one I couldn't find footage of as the video was clipped. 1 was a full court heave to end a quarter. And because he started the season late due to injury he missed the euroleague regular season and the chump teams, this was against primo compe ion.

I'll post a more detailed breakdown later, but he's going to be a bigger impact than I thought. He takes a dump on Marco as a shooter. He's going to have such gravity, he might have a chance to be a wobbly knee Korver.

I had him at 6-9 in the corners. And with his height and quick release he'll get them off.

He reminds me of a lot of Korver or Klay coming off screens ( no I'm not saying Bertans = Klay) -- his smooth release and form is very similar. From the videos I've seen of him, he's surprisingly able to move defensively and I think he'll be able to defend a little bit. Hope the Spurs bring him over. I'll take him right now over Anderson for minutes at the three.

[objective]

I don't know if he'll be as effective off screens for the sole reason that the Spurs don't set/can't get away with the GS uncalled illegal moving screen. If Bertans got that he might be Klay's shooting equal.

Biggest surprise to me was that when he used a dribble he was 4-6. Wasn't what I expected.

[Chinook]

I watched 55 of the 56 threes he attempted in euroleague this year, only one I couldn't find footage of as the video was clipped. 1 was a full court heave to end a quarter. And because he started the season late due to injury he missed the euroleague regular season and the chump teams, this was against primo compe ion.

I'll post a more detailed breakdown later, but he's going to be a bigger impact than I thought. He takes a dump on Marco as a shooter. He's going to have such gravity, he might have a chance to be a wobbly knee Korver.

I had him at 6-9 in the corners. And with his height and quick release he'll get them off.

I don't know if he'll be as effective off screens for the sole reason that the Spurs don't set/can't get away with the GS uncalled illegal moving screen. If Bertans got that he might be Klay's shooting equal.

Biggest surprise to me was that when he used a dribble he was 4-6. Wasn't what I expected.

How many games were those 56 threes over? And thanks for any breakdown you do in advance.

As far as gravity, he's not likely to come into the league with it. You have to to make shots before teams will start treating you like a shooter. And you can miss a bunch of shots and still have gravity for a while. It lags. I'll take Bertans being a reliable NBA spot-up guy. Don't want him worrying about being more until he shows he can handle this level of compe ion.

[objective]

14 games. He played 15, but the first back from injury was under 4 minutes with no 3 attempts.

I think 9 in the top 16 round, 3 against Panathanaikos, and 2 games in the final four round

[TheDoctor]

Fathead can't even score in warmups, he didn't have the motor to go after rebounds against OKC, and he's slower than Tim Duncan.

All he has going for him is being 6'9, tbh..

Damn Slotherson was a mad at the rims for some reason. "I'm gonna destroy the outta ya mofos"

[tholdren]

kyle is better than thomas not even close

[ace3g]

Bertans running fast break

[Chinook]

Feels like a good year to bring over Hanga as well. This will probably be his best chance to make the roster, has the team could certainly use some defense and poise in their guard rotation. If the Spurs spend their cap space on a big or bigs, they will not have much to spend on guards, so maybe the compe ion for him would be manageable.