Erazem Lorbek, Davis Bertan, Adam Hanga, DeShaun Thomas

[coachmac87]

Feels like a good year to bring over Hanga as well. This will probably be his best chance to make the roster, has the team could certainly use some defense and poise in their guard rotation. If the Spurs spend their cap space on a big or bigs, they will not have much to spend on guards, so maybe the compe ion for him would be manageable.

Bring over Hanga and let go of Simmons....Got it

[Chinook]

Bring over Hanga and let go of Simmons....Got it

If it works out that way, sure. For all the talk about Jonathon being cheap, Hanga is cheaper for longer. And Adam is only five months older. Seems like a good compe ion.

[objective]

I don't think Hanga is better than a Simmons. He isn't the playmaker that Simmons is and isn't the shooter. And I like Hanga.

[Chinook]

I don't think Hanga is better than a Simmons. He isn't the playmaker that Simmons is and isn't the shooter. And I like Hanga.

I never said he was better. I think this is Hanga's best chance to make the roster. And he might beat Simmons based on intangibles. Or they might both make the team. Or he might get cut. What's there to lose?

[coachmac87]

If it works out that way, sure. For all the talk about Jonathon being cheap, Hanga is cheaper for longer. And Adam is only five months older. Seems like a good compe ion.

No the fact you think Simmons isn't an NBA caliber player but Hagna is..

[Chinook]

No the fact you think Simmons isn't an NBA caliber player but Hagna is..

That's not even a sentence. Regardless, it's not even what I said.

[coachmac87]

That's not even a sentence. Regardless, it's not even what I said.

I'm not gonna dig up anything on you..

But you've said you don't think Simmons is an NBA caliber player and don't think he should/will be on the team next year.

Now you're saying Hagna should come over...

[DPG21920]

No the fact you think Simmons isn't an NBA caliber player but Hagna is..

All he's saying is bring Hanga over and let him compete with Simmons. This is the only real chance Hanga might have if his only compe ion is beating out Simmons.

He's not saying he will just that he should get the chance if he's ever going to get the chance.

[Chinook]

I'm not gonna dig up anything on you..

But you've said you don't think Simmons is an NBA caliber player and don't think he should/will be on the team next year.

Now you're saying Hagna should come over...

I don't think Simmons is a good player. NBA-caliber is a very murky designation. I totally don't think he should be gifted a spot, though. Guys need to earn things again.

[coachmac87]

I don't think Simmons is a good player. NBA-caliber is a very murky designation. I totally don't think he should be gifted a spot, though. Guys need to earn things again.

You're pretty much saying you don't think Simmoms is good enough to be on this team..but Hagna is good enough to make the team.

[coachmac87]

All he's saying is bring Hanga over and let him compete with Simmons. This is the only real chance Hanga might have if his only compe ion is beating out Simmons.

He's not saying he will just that he should get the chance if he's ever going to get the chance.

No need to come to his defense..

[objective]

I don't have a problem with bringing Hanga over, I'm just giving my assessment of him in the context of the roster.

I don't think he's he's good enough to play over Simmons. Now Anderson though ...

And I've watched his games going back to the Italian league. I'm not some guy who sees a ten second YouTube clip can and pontificates.

One thing I'll say thouyh is I think he's an NBA player, but a Spurs roster with Green and Kawhi and Simmons and Manu and Anderson and 2 point guard lineups & Bertans ... I think he's in street clothes.

Another team and he's probably a rotation guy, decent back up wing.

[SAGirl]

coachmack has this issue with Chinook since KMart... can't let go.

[Chinook]

You're pretty much saying you don't think Simmoms is good enough to be on this team..but Hagna is good enough to make the team.

If that's how you read it, it says more about you than me. It's not ambiguous. I think they should compete, because 14th men like Simmons simply shouldn't go into seasons without compe ion. That should go for the 13th and 15th men as well. If Simmons wins the compe ions, that's fine. But if he doesn't, that's also fine.

[objective]

All things being equal I'd rather see Dangubic brought over Hanga. Because the d-league would probably be good for Dangubic rather than just watching in street clothes that I would expect Hanga to do

[coachmac87]

If that's how you read it, it says more about you than me. It's not ambiguous. I think they should compete, because 14th men like Simmons simply shouldn't go into seasons without compe ion. That should go for the 13th and 15th men as well. If Simmons wins the compe ions, that's fine. But if he doesn't, that's also fine.

They should compete? Like on the roster together? Is Simmoms going to be on the Spurs next year or not man? If he's not why in the would Hagna be?

[Chinook]

All things being equal I'd rather see Dangubic brought over Hanga. Because the d-league would probably be good for Dangubic rather than just watching in street clothes that I would expect Hanga to do

The main bonus I see in bringing Hanga over is that it might ease Bertans' transition to have a former teammate. Even if Adam is only there for a couple of months. And I don't think he'd be in street clothes if he made the team. I don't expect the team to keep him if they don't intend on playing him, because as you suggested, he doesn't have a ton of upside at this point. He'll either play well enough for them to have him as the 10th-12th man, or he'll go back to Europe.

[Chinook]

They should compete? Like on the roster together? Is Simmoms going to be on the Spurs next year or not man? If he's not why in the would Hagna be?

You do realize that NBA teams get 20 spots between July and the end of October, right? There will be at least five guys who are on the roster this summer that won't be on it come opening night. Having the five guys who get booted be dudes who lost legit compe ions rather than guys who had no chance should be a priority for the team. To that end, Hanga and Simmons would be two of the 20, and depending on how things shook out, they might both be part of the final 15 or one of them would be part, or neither of them. That's how training camp compe ions work.

As far as your consistent belief that Simmons is somehow on a different tier than Hanga, remember that Jonathon ended the season as the 14th or 15th man on the team. Anderson was clearly ahead of him, as were Martin and Miller. He's not safe, and that's just being realistic. If he continues to be erratic, turnover happy and unable to defend guys without fouling them, then a savvy vet with more polish but less upside could unseat him. That would be a very good compe ion on paper. It's like the poor-man's version of Lance versus Green.

[coachmac87]

You do realize that NBA teams get 20 spots between July and the end of October, right? There will be at least five guys who are on the roster this summer that won't be on it come opening night. Having the five guys who get booted be dudes who lost legit compe ions rather than guys who had no chance should be a priority for the team. To that end, Hanga and Simmons would be two of the 20, and depending on how things shook out, they might both be part of the final 15 or one of them would be part, or neither of them. That's how training camp compe ions work.

As far as your consistent belief that Simmons is somehow on a different tier than Hanga, remember that Jonathon ended the season as the 14th or 15th man on the team. Anderson was clearly ahead of him, as were Martin and Miller. He's not safe, and that's just being realistic. If he continues to be erratic, turnover happy and unable to defend guys without fouling them, then a savvy vet with more polish but less upside could unseat him. That would be a very good compe ion on paper. It's like the poor-man's version of Lance versus Green.

And when do the Spurs have to decide to pick up option on Simmons? You think they'd cut him after training camp? Lol Hagna will be a summer league guy or whatever..

And now you suggesting Hagna could be on the team but Simmons won't? Are you really going that low to try and save your ass?

You could end this all now and just say Simmons will be on the team next year. But you won't...because deep down you don't think he should.

[SAGirl]

No mention is made here of their contract situations.

The only one that is realistic and I expect is Bertans, bc has his agent made noise b4 he had even come back from his rehab about it. All the planets finally aligned with him coming up healthy and having a good season.

D.Thomas didn't make the roster last season and I bet he goes back to Europe. His last season in the dleague he was free to get any 10-day contracts and didn't and he's not going to get paid in the d'league that is for sure.

I know nothing about any of the others, save a highlight video here or there on Hanga. He may actually be under contract and not remotely in the scene to come over for all I know.

[coachmac87]

And you also think Manu is going to retire right? So Simmons right now is technically the only SG on the roster not named Danny Green. Simmons is cheap and has a year of the system under his belt and his strengths are the Spurs weakness at the moment. There's nothing wrong bringing him back and seeing what he could provide...even if he's 15 on the roster again.

[Chinook]

And when do the Spurs have to decide to pick up option on Simmons? You think they'd cut him after training camp? Lol Hagna will be a summer league guy or whatever..

Simmons has a guarantee deadline of 07/30. It's not an option. And yes, I think they'd cut him after training camp, if they cut him at all. They always cut guys after camp. I don't think they'd cut him before then.

And now you suggesting Hagna could be on the team but Simmons won't? Are you really going that low to try and save your ass?

Just tell me now, are you drunk? Because I am not saying anything that's hard to understand. They should compete. I don't think Simmons is good enough to not have to compete. If he wins, then he deserves a spot. If he loses he doesn't. For a guy who has the the word coach in his name, you seem to have no idea what compe ions are.

You could end this all now and just say Simmons will be on the team next year. But you won't...because deep down you don't think he should.

I don't think Simmons is a good player. I haven't been coy about that. I think he has to get better. So if he improves to the point that he beats out a solid player like Hanga, that's great. But if he can't, he doesn't really deserve to be kept. He's too old to keep talking about his upside. He's going to have to do it, and Hanga shouldn't be a big obstacle for him.

[Chinook]

And you also think Manu is going to retire right? So Simmons right now is technically the only SG on the roster not named Danny Green. Simmons is cheap and has a year of the system under his belt and his strengths are the Spurs weakness at the moment. There's nothing wrong bringing him back and seeing what he could provide...even if he's 15 on the roster again.

Or the Spurs could get better players at that spot. That's the real point. Simmons shouldn't even get a roster spot without a compe ion. He sure as shouldn't get a rotation spot by default.

[coachmac87]

Simmons has a guarantee deadline of 07/30. It's not an option. And yes, I think they'd cut him after training camp, if they cut him at all. They always cut guys after camp. I don't think they'd cut him before then.



Just tell me now, are you drunk? Because I am not saying anything that's hard to understand. They should compete. I don't think Simmons is good enough to not have to compete. If he wins, then he deserves a spot. If he loses he doesn't. For a guy who has the the word coach in his name, you seem to have no idea what compe ions are.



I don't think Simmons is a good player. I haven't been coy about that. I think he has to get better. So if he improves to the point that he beats out a solid player like Hanga, that's great. But if he can't, he doesn't really deserve to be kept. He's too old to keep talking about his upside. He's going to have to do it, and Hanga shouldn't be a big obstacle for him.

I'm not arguing about compe ion..I'm arguing about evaluating talent and roster construction. The only player that needs to compete is Hagna and that's to prove he's an NBA player. Something Simmons already has.

I guess we view the Spurs roster and talent differently. I think Simmons has a ceiling of 10th player in rotation and 15th being the floor. He's cheap so yeah i guess cutting him wouldn't hurt but if the Spurs pick up the option and HAVE to pay him what's wrong locking him in at the 15th spot??

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm not arguing about compe ion..I'm arguing about evaluating talent and roster construction. The only player that needs to compete is Hagna and that's to prove he's an NBA player. Something Simmons already has.

I guess we view the Spurs roster and talent differently. I think Simmons has a ceiling of 10th player in rotation and 15th being the floor. He's cheap so yeah i guess cutting him wouldn't hurt but if the Spurs pick up the option and HAVE to pay him what's wrong locking him in at the 15th spot??

FWIW, I've watched quite a few K. Laboral games this season because of Bertans, and I'd say Hanga is the better all around player than Simmons is right now. Now, obviously it's very difficult to compare due to the level of compe ion but most of Simmons's career has been in summer league, D-league and garbage NBA minutes, whereas Hanga has played much more against good compe ion. If they're both brought to camp and forced to fight it out for a spot on the team then it'd only be good for the Spurs. There's no need to guarantee the 15th spot outright again, like last season, and lose on the chance to take flyers on other players throughout the season.