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  1. #51
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    Gaymond Green is allowed to nutt kick another player. Not only does the got not get a call -or review-, farking Adams gets rung up for a double foul on the play.
    Emboldened, now Delanova incorporates the nutt slap.

    NBA should just appoint Caitlyn Jenner as the new commissioner and be done with it.

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    Player with the ball takes the freethrows. That way if Jordan has the ball you can foul someone else and force him to the line, but you cannot force him to the line if he doesn't have the ball.
    Jordan (deandre) only scores off put backs and such, so the result would be "and one" depending on when the foul is called. Teams would have to be very careful to intentionally foul a big on a to the basket play.

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    Of course it rewards lazy players. Jordan's currently an enormous offensive liability to his team because he doesn't care enough to learn to shoot free throws at a 50% clip. Artificially get rid of that liability through the rules change and he's a top 10 player.
    I'm not advocating Jordan never going to the free throw line. Exploit it all you want WITHIN the parameters of playing basketball. That's all I'm saying. Pop subbing in Matt Bonner to run up to Jordan when the ball isn't even past halfcourt and he's nowhere near the ball or the action takes what kind of skill? I'm suggesting we eliminate teams using loopholes to exploit the weakness. Exploit it by fouling him when the two teams are actually playing the game and Jordan is part of the action.

    That's not rewarding guys like Jordan. It's forcing teams to play basketball in order to exploit the weakness.

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    So hammer Jordan on screens so the ref can see it and get called for a flagrant? Trip him every time down the floor? Seems like a great way to have a ton of fights started, and then the refs will have to protect him every single game.
    You don't have to be flagrant to foul someone who has the ball or is attempting to rebound the ball. If that's your idea of the only way it could work, I'm at a loss. You can foul in those situations without being flagrant and malicious.

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    You don't have to be flagrant to foul someone who has the ball or is attempting to rebound the ball. If that's your idea of the only way it could work, I'm at a loss. You can foul in those situations without being flagrant and malicious.
    When he has the ball? The Clippers don't give Jordan the ball on offense, they're not running post ups for him.

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    Player with the ball takes the freethrows. That way if Jordan has the ball you can foul someone else and force him to the line, but you cannot force him to the line if he doesn't have the ball.
    Your suggestion is still attempting to manipulate the rules to exploit the weakness. I'm just suggesting to exploit the weakness within the normal flow of the game.

    Jordan catches the ball in the high post and in the weakside corner, the defender hugs Jordan's teammate 20 feet away from the ball just to force Jordan to shoot free throws? That's pretty similar to how it is now in that the foul is occurring away from the action. What's worse is that unintentionally fouling a guy away from the ball while in the bonus will end up leading to guys like Curry and Durant and Dirk and Harden shooting free throws when they weren't even being fouled. That's a worse outcome imo. I don't like that suggestion at all from either team's perspective.

    If Jordan has the ball, just foul HIM.

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    When he has the ball? The Clippers don't give Jordan the ball on offense, they're not running post ups for him.
    When he rebounds the ball, he has the ball. When he sets screens, he's part of the action. When he's just going up to get a rebound, he's part of the action. All situations where if you foul him, you can send him to the line.

    You're trying to find ways to still make Jordan shoot free throws without getting hurt in the process and without it having to be part of the basketball action. That's what I'm suggesting be removed from the game.

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    When he rebounds the ball, he has the ball. When he sets screens, he's part of the action. When he's just going up to get a rebound, he's part of the action. All situations where if you foul him, you can send him to the line.

    You're trying to find ways to still make Jordan shoot free throws without getting hurt in the process and without it having to be part of the basketball action. That's what I'm suggesting be removed from the game.
    So if you want to make basketball plays, hit him with an elbow to the face when he sets the screen or run him down? Knock him down in the air when he goes for a rebound or a lob?

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    So if you want to make basketball plays, hit him with an elbow to the face when he sets the screen or run him down? Knock him down in the air when he goes for a rebound or a lob?
    No.

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    When you hack you need to make things obvious.

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    Make it so that when "away from the ball" or "non-shooting" fouls are committed, while in the bonus, the team can select anyone on the court to shoot those FT's. Loose ball fouls on rebounds can be tricker. But refs should be able to tell if guys are legitimately going after the ball on those.

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    Make it so that when "away from the ball" or "non-shooting" fouls are committed, while in the bonus, the team can select anyone on the court to shoot those FT's. Loose ball fouls on rebounds can be tricker. But refs should be able to tell if guys are legitimately going after the ball on those.
    This has such horrible repercussions for bad calls. Someone's legit trying to play D, the ref blows and now steph curry is at the line?

    You think the game slows down now. What's gonna happen when the refs have to go to the monitor over and over and over to "judge intent" of an away from the ball foul?

    Just practice your damn free throws like a person getting paid millions of dollars should do.

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    Jordan (deandre) only scores off put backs and such, so the result would be "and one" depending on when the foul is called. Teams would have to be very careful to intentionally foul a big on a to the basket play.
    Any change is going to have consequences. If you reward the other team two shots and the ball, it could be a 6 point possession (assuming there's a foul on a made 3 on the ensuring inbounds play after 2 made FTs). If you only award them the ball out of bounds, that means teams can foul relentlessly since no FTs will be awarded after being in the penalty. If you reward 2 shots to whomever the team picks, that's going to create flopping away from the ball to draw that foul.

    Just leave it alone.

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    This has such horrible repercussions for bad calls. Someone's legit trying to play D, the ref blows and now steph curry is at the line?

    You think the game slows down now. What's gonna happen when the refs have to go to the monitor over and over and over to "judge intent" of an away from the ball foul?

    Just practice your damn free throws like a person getting paid millions of dollars should do.
    Yeah it stood still for 5 minutes to call a common foul on Delly. What do you think the game would look like if every off the ball foul was reviewed?

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    Make it so that when "away from the ball" or "non-shooting" fouls are committed, while in the bonus, the team can select anyone on the court to shoot those FT's. Loose ball fouls on rebounds can be tricker. But refs should be able to tell if guys are legitimately going after the ball on those.
    No. This gives officials too much control over the spread. They can force guys to the line to alter spread on bogus calls. Right now they can only do that with the ball handler.

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    There are two problems with it:

    1) Its completely subjective as to whether or not its intentional

    2) Its using a loophole in the rule book to penalize the other team rather than play the sport

    The NFL has plenty rules like this so they allow teams to DECLINE the penalty. This is all the league has to do. If you get fouled off the ball and they over the limit, accept or decline the penalty.
    Instead of re-writing the rule book, why don't these players just learn to shoot freethrows?

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    Instead of re-writing the rule book, why don't these players just learn to shoot freethrows?
    Dont have to re-write rule-book. Just have to give teams the same options they give NFL teams get. Then we can stop the abomination of the sport that defensive Spurs fans feel the need to defend.

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    To bad they haven't done it sooner. It could have saved Pop from being outcoached by Doc Rivers in the Clipper series.

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    changing the rules because three apes can't hit half their free throws

    Today's NBA

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    Just ban all ing shooting fouls, bonus or not, that occur in the backcourt.

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    changing the rules because three apes can't hit half their free throws

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    I honestly think my solution is pretty ing genius:

    If a team is fouled off the ball, you can take the free throws or just take the ball out of bounds.

    A) Teams cant exploit a rule to try and penalize the other team

    B) Teams cant hide bad free throw shooters (if a player has the ball and is fouled then they still have to shoot free throws).

    C) Referees dont have to determine players intentions. They dont have to try and guess what a player was thinking.

    The NFL solved this problem years ago. You take away loopholes in the rulebook by letting teams decline penalties.

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    Dont have to re-write rule-book. Just have to give teams the same options they give NFL teams get. Then we can stop the abomination of the sport that defensive Spurs fans feel the need to defend.
    Or that dip fans of teams who once had ty FT shooters as star players need to deride.

    And Spursfans don't even like hack-a. It's always blown up in Pop's face, since it gets our offense out of rhythm. I'm just against protecting lazy players who don't want to put in the work at the line in practice and would rather scam on teenage girls who look like Colin Kaepernick.

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    And Spursfans don't even like hack-a. It's always blown up in Pop's face, since it gets our offense out of rhythm.
    It actually worked against his team in 08, the only time it ever did

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