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  1. #51
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    The way I see it:

    2007: underdogs, Loss
    2011: Favored, Loss
    2012: Underdogs, Won
    2013: Favored, Win
    2014: Favored, Loss
    2015: Underdogs, Lost

    He is 1-2 as a favorite and 1-2 as an underdog, pathetic
    The way I see it you should lay under a bus IMO

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    The way I see it you should lay under a bus IMO
    Do you not think the two time defending champions with the best player in the world should have been expected to win in 2014? A large majority of the experts picked them.

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    Do you not think the two time defending champions with the best player in the world should have been expected to win in 2014? A large majority of the experts picked them.
    6 out of 16 of the ESPN "experts" picked the Heat in fact. And they had a 42% implied probability per Vegas. If you think that 54 win Heat team should be FAVORED on the road against the 62 win Spurs you should log off now.

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    6 out of 16 of the ESPN "experts" picked the Heat in fact. And they had a 42% implied probability per Vegas. If you think that 54 win Heat team should be FAVORED on the road against the 62 win Spurs you should log off now.
    "The panel sees the Spurs needing all seven games to dethrone the Heat and earn ring No. 5 for Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich."

    Okay, found what you are talking about, you are correct. So that series was probably about even money on each end, slight edge to the Spurs because of homecourt. Well, I think Lebron should take a major hit for losing the way he did. The odds of them losing in 5 were very low. They had a road game 7 victory in the Finals by the Heat being as likely as the Spurs winning in 5.

    And to take it one step further, the Heat were heavily favored after taking Game 2 in SA with their odds of winning the series shooting up to 60+%. LeBron deserves major flack, for a supposed all time great, for getting punched in the mouth twice at home in Finals games in blowouts. At 1-1 they had the edge in that series, and they gave it all away, pathetic.

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    "The panel sees the Spurs needing all seven games to dethrone the Heat and earn ring No. 5 for Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich."

    Okay, found what you are talking about, you are correct. So that series was probably about even money on each end, slight edge to the Spurs because of homecourt. Well, I think Lebron should take a major hit for losing the way he did. The odds of them losing in 5 were very low. They had a road game 7 victory in the Finals by the Heat being as likely as the Spurs winning in 5.

    And to take it one step further, the Heat were heavily favored after taking Game 2 in SA with their odds of winning the series shooting up to 60+%. LeBron deserves major flack, for a supposed all time great, for getting punched in the mouth twice at home in Finals games in blowouts. At 1-1 they had the edge in that series, and they gave it all away, pathetic.
    60+% for the Heat after game 2? Did you pull this out of your ass or am I missing something here? There is no way Miami was favored 60% because they took 1 road game.

    And James had a PER of 30 that series while Wade and Bosh were barely above average. I'm sure you're part of the moron public that legitimately thought Kiwi outplayed him that series.

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    60+% for the Heat after game 2? Did you pull this out of your ass or am I missing something here? There is no way Miami was favored 60% because they took 1 road game.

    And James had a PER of 30 that series while Wade and Bosh were barely above average. I'm sure you're part of the moron public that legitimately thought Kiwi outplayed him that series.
    I remember the ESPN crew talking about it in the time between game 2 and 3. They said Spurs wouldve had a 80% chance if they had won Game 2 but now it was Heat at something like 64%.

    Kiwi did outplay him, thats why he got Finals MVP

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    I remember the ESPN crew talking about it in the time between game 2 and 3. They said Spurs wouldve had a 80% chance if they had won Game 2 but now it was Heat at something like 64%.

    Kiwi did outplay him, thats why he got Finals MVP
    Ah, the good ol' ESPN BPI. Such a great tool and totally representative of the true probability.

    And Kiwi did not outplay him. Unless you also think Iguodala outplayed him in 15. And Parker in 07. Either way, your opinion is pretty worthless tbqh

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    Ah, the good ol' ESPN BPI. Such a great tool and totally representative of the true probability.

    And Kiwi did not outplay him. Unless you also think Iguodala outplayed him in 15. And Parker in 07. Either way, your opinion is pretty worthless tbqh
    Please explain to me how Kawhi didnt outplay him

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    Please explain to me how Kawhi didnt outplay him
    James outrebounded, out-assisted, out-scored him and had better advanced numbers in every category? Please explain how he did outplay James other than "he won FMVP though" which is exactly the type of argument I expect from you.

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    James outrebounded, out-assisted, out-scored him and had better advanced numbers in every category? Please explain how he did outplay James other than "he won FMVP though" which is exactly the type of argument I expect from you.
    Kawhi vs. Lebron:

    Minutes Played: 167 vs. 189 (Keep in mind, Lebron had a much higher usage% than Kawhi)
    FG%: 61.2 vs 57.1
    3PTFG%: 57.9 vs 51.9
    Rebounds: 32 vs 39
    Steals: 8 vs 10
    Assists: 10 vs 20
    Blocks: 6 vs 2
    Turnovers: 9 vs 19
    Points: 18 vs 28
    True Shooting%: 75 vs 63
    Offensive Rating: 136 vs 120

    Finals MVP: Kawhi

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    Why do Kobe fans want Lebron to lose so much? He's already ahead Kobe in the all-time list. Curry is the one you should worry about, tbh.

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    Why do Kobe fans want Lebron to lose so much? He's already ahead Kobe in the all-time list. Curry is the one you should worry about, tbh.
    I wouldnt put Lebron ahead of Kobe

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    Stupid CAVs, just embarrassing seeing them play out there.

    Seems like an exhibition game.

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    GS not the Hawks

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    Is there any top 50 player with a worse W-L record in the finals?

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    I wouldnt put Lebron ahead of Kobe
    Everyone is free to be as wrong as they want, tbh.

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    Everyone is free to be as wrong as they want, tbh.
    Lebron isnt a playoff performer, he is a choke artist. Kobe used to haunt us back in the day. I look forward to matchups with Lebron. He isnt intimidating and you know he wont sink your team singlehandedly.

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    Lebron isnt a playoff performer, he is a choke artist. Kobe used to haunt us back in the day. I look forward to matchups with Lebron. He isnt intimidating and you know he wont sink your team singlehandedly.
    Lebron is the 2nd best playoffs wing performer in league history, it would be pretty difficult to prove otherwise..

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    Lebron isnt a playoff performer, he is a choke artist. Kobe used to haunt us back in the day. I look forward to matchups with Lebron. He isnt intimidating and you know he wont sink your team singlehandedly.
    You are saying a bunch of stuff that didn't/don't happen in reality son.

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    Lebron is the 2nd best playoffs wing performer in league history, it would be pretty difficult to prove otherwise..
    Im sure his numbers arent inflated at all by playing the deaf and blind handicapped children in the East every year in the playoffs...

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    Should have been 1 - 6 if not for the Spurs giveaway.
    That moment in which the Spurs inexplicably melted was the biggest moment in LBJ's career.
    The champagne was on ice, ffs.
    LBJ melted in that game too- fans won't remember it though due to Ray Allens shot, but james down the stretch was bad.

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    You are saying a bunch of stuff that didn't/don't happen in reality son.
    His finals record is pathetic. Downright awful. And when they lose, they get blown the out. When they win, its because of a miracle (Ray Allen). He isnt mentally tough and he sure as aint clutch. But sure suck his some more because he pads his stats all game, use your eyes you ing dumbass, he is overrated as

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    LBJ melted in that game too- fans won't remember it though due to Ray Allens shot, but james down the stretch was bad.
    If you watch the Final two minutes, he flat out choked, he turned the abll over several times and got eaten up by Tony Parker. He got so ing lucky.

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    If you watch the Final two minutes, he flat out choked, he turned the abll over several times and got eaten up by Tony Parker. He got so ing lucky.
    He got Amy Duncan, that's what he got.

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