No, they aren't. Just have to think outside of the box and ignore the big names that most people will want to target.
Spurs will be able to contend, while moving towards building an elite team for Kawhis' prime if they make the right subtle moves. They need to do what Olshey (GM of Blazers) did last summer. Fill in the holes with underrated moves/names that have length, athletic ability, upside and that fit around Kawhi/Aldridge, Green nucleus.
Olshey got creative after DUMPING Batum & essentially letting LMA/Matthews/Lopez/Affalo walk. The enormous cap space allowed him to sign Aminu/Ed Davis by offering them a contract over their market value
PATFO would have to dump the Big 3 before they start getting "creative" if they want to outbid the market for more than ONE quality rotation player.
If they dump Diaw/Porker & Tim/Manu retire then they could free up 35 mill in cap space.
They could have went after great names/overrated players with the resources they had -- like most teams did or do. Instead, they scoured market for overlooked/undervalued players that have the skill-set to be productive in today's NBA. That is what Olshey did.Olshey got creative after DUMPING Batum & essentially letting LMA/Matthews/Lopez/Affalo walk. The enormous cap space allowed him to sign Aminu/Ed Davis by offering them a contract over their market value
PATFO would have to dump the Big 3 before they start getting "creative" if they want to outbid the market for more than ONE quality rotation player.
If they dump Diaw/Porker & Tim/Manu retire then they could free up 35 mill in cap space.
Acquired: Plumlee, Harkless, Hendo, Aminu, Davis. Everyone of those players defended well this past season.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 06-06-2016 at 12:55 AM.
Well they did offer Kanter the max.
That was on top of acquiring Plumlee, Harkless, Henderson, Aminu, Davis. And it wasn't "max" considering where cap was going -- not far-fetched to assume Olshey was aware of that. Aminu/Davis contacts look great now
Kanter would have fit really well with the Blazers. Plumlee, Kanter, Aminu, CJ, Lilliard starting lineup would have been really nice moving forward.
My point is about not overpaying/going after attractive names (Gasol/Noah) & going after overlooked/undervalued youth w/ skill sets that fit around Kawhi/Aldridge/Green. Olshey did that last year and I was using him as an example. He went after young, long, athletic players w/ upside that fit around their two best players in Lillard and CJ.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 06-06-2016 at 01:11 AM.
The thing is, they've had the cap space to overpay for all 3 players they threw cap money at, managing to bring 2 of them. The 2016 Spurs are not going to have the money to overpay a number of players, unless we're talking about the likes of Dewayne Dedmon, etc. If they can unearth a solid player or two, instead of going after a star that'd be good, but it likely wouldn't move the needle when it comes to competing next season. They'll need to nail the 2017 offseason when they'll have cash.
Where we disagree is you think Blazers overpaid, I don't -- considering where the market was going in just a year (everyone including me and you knew about it -- I'm sure agents did too). Plus, each of the deals for FA's Aminu and Davis were front-loaded, meaning their pay decreases every year -- while the cap will increase. Olshey structured them optimally to his advantage -- that's not overpaying IMO. Especially considering the same off-season Danny Green got 10 mil per.
Spurs won't have to overpay like you're implying -- they won't get any David West hand-outs either.
Basically.
Fournier is the only guy that isn't necessarily a "star" but could move the needle & who's contract would be on the same tier as Kanter's.
Biyambo basically had a breakout series like Aminu did last season & is looking for a max along w/ Ezeli putting up numbers similar to Davis.
Based on their market value, it was overpaying but the Blazers had the cap space to get creative by front-loading it. They basically gambled & it paid off. Otherwise, Daryl Morey has been doing cap space gymnastics & it has been hit/miss.
As if his market value wasn't higher.Especially considering the same off-season Danny Green got 10 mil per.
They will get another season of D-Worst.Spurs won't have to overpay like you're implying -- they won't get any David West hand-outs either.
I think Orlando will match Fournier's max, they'll still have a max slot and all of their rookie contract players have options into next season. Unless they have some ridiculous plans about attracting 2 big free agents. They'll go after Horford I think, match Fournier and build from there.Basically.
Fournier is the only guy that isn't necessarily a "star" but could move the needle & who's contract would be on the same tier as Kanter's.
Biyambo basically had a breakout series like Aminu did last season & is looking for a max along w/ Ezeli putting up numbers similar to Davis.
Point is, it makes no sense for Spurs to allocate half or more of their cap space (7-10 mil) on a player that won't even be able to stay on the court vs. the Warriors.
Pretty much using the cap-space to hand-cuff your chances vs. the most important team standing in the way of another le -- makes no sense.
Pau Gasol sure is an attractive name though.
Horford is 30 so it doesn't make sense to max him out considering the rest of their roster is 25 & under. He also doesn't give them rim protection which is something they sorely NEED. I expect them to go after defensive minded bigs like Whiteside/Biyombo/Ian/Ezeli/Noah consider Vogel's defense first mentality.
I also think Horford wants to play for a contender before he's past his prime.
As far as Fournier, it depends on what they plan on doing w/ Oladipo since he's going to be up for an extension this summer: http://orlandomagicdaily.com/2016/04/05/nba-free-agency-orlando-magic-decisions-begin-in-backcourt/
If PATFO can't get Fournier then Eric Gordon could be an option if he doesn't mind coming off the bench but I doubt it. I wouldn't mind dumping Diaw & splitting the 18 mill b/w Pau/Gordon then using the "Room Exception" on a backup center like Plumlee. (D-Worst can just play backup 4)
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 06-06-2016 at 02:52 AM.
Exactly. It's easy to scoff at damn near any name brought up, like Gasol, in this case, but what's the alternative?
I see the argument both for an against him and I'm somewhere in between at this point. I'd like to be dismissive too, but look at the other most likely names.
Whatever they do, presuming Durant re-signs, there's no reason to think they'll be anything more than something like tied for third most likely to come out of the West next season.
Probably means Duncan is coming back...
Gasol ONLY makes sense if Duncan retires...Unless he just has his heart and soul set on SA.
Second I wouldn't just dismiss Gasol because some think he can't play against the Warriors..but I don't think that's true. You can play BIG against the Warriors you just have to make them pay by either scoring or rebounding. Duncan can't make people pay on the offensive end anymore..but Gasol can.
But bottom line Gasol has to come here being ONE of the pieces not THE piece.
Find it odd that he keeps speaking on this with not only Pau being linked but with Conly also being linked to Spurs..
If there's a selfish reason behind Marc's "bizzare" behavior, it may be his way of telling the Grizzlies to trade him to the Spurs.
Eh, which squad did Pau help make semi-relevant a decade ago?
I had to put the bong down.
Blood is thicker than water. I don't know why the media calls this "odd" tbh.
Because Pau on the Spurs will further widen the gap between the Spurs and the Grizzlies. So Marc is not doing his own team any favors.
That doesn't mean a damn thing...
If that's the case how about we just go off LMA first game in GSW??
GTFOH
Would not out Conley in disgusting category.
But Gasol didn't fare that badly in the encounter before that.
See http://www.basketball-reference.com/...511200GSW.html.
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