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The Spurs are 6-0 in playoff series in the last 4 years when Parker leads the team in scoring. You guys are the ones who wanted him to shoot less...you got your dream, congrats.
i wanted to trade parker when he actually had trade value... now everybody who wants to trade him thinks no one would even take himthat stupid gambit ...
The Spurs are 6-0 in playoff series in the last 4 years when Parker leads the team in scoring. You guys are the ones who wanted him to shoot less...you got your dream, congrats.
from the very first post in the thread...
I agree TP's a scorer and doesn't add much else. Better to have him come of the bench and get another 3&D guard to play off Kawhi and LA.
from the very first post in the thread...
Thank you.
and you are still the new ST idioti wanted to trade parker when he actually had trade value... now everybody who wants to trade him thinks no one would even take him
He seems pretty smart to me, tbh. Definitely smarter than the French contingent, who keep praising a fat choke artist.and you are still the new ST idiot
See, do you mean Boris (real fat) or Parker (fat trending) ? There is overlap in those two fan crews but it's not 100%
you were the one calling him MVParker not too long agoand you are still the new ST idiot
and you a few a days ago:
part of my original post from early january:
eat you stupid erin barry .
to everyone who wants to keep tp but bring him off the bench... where do you even get the money to sign a starting caliber pg?
and how many other teams in this league are paying their backup pg $14 million?
I'm confident that Gary Payton II could be the starting point and by season's end there would be very little drop off from the declined and wrecked Parker.
And given everything else GPII would bring to the table like defense, rebounding, and willingness to move the ball, the team might even be better off.
I don't see why he couldn't be at least as good as George Hill was as a rookie. And Hill had issues, he only shot 40% from the field and 33% from three. But he was good enough to make a positive impact. And more than good enough to make Pop look so stupid for declaring that the playoffs weren't for him that Pop has comically overcompensated ever since with all his "Georgie is my favorite player!" schtick.
too bad andre miller isn't younger.
They can draft someone who's similar in style.
Source: http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/side...ay-1-takeawaysI kept having flashbacks of a young Andre Miller as I watched Malcolm Brogdon play this afternoon. Brogdon is a bit taller with a bit more bulk, but his look just reminds me of Miller. Brogdon also played point guard throughout the afternoon and looked a whole lot like Miller in that aspect as well, as he played with a high level of aggression yet was also under control.
I took note after note after note on him. “Sees the floor well.” “Sees things before they happen.” “Flat arc on 3 but swished one home and made athletic plays off the dribble.” “Controlled.” “Long, accurate alley-oop pass.” “Strong handle, great build.”
Brogden finished the day with 17 points, six assists, four rebounds and three steals. He certainly stood out to me, and I’m sure he left a lasting memory in the minds of the hundreds of executives who were also watching with a keen eye.
Source: http://tikiandtierney.radio.cbssport...ia-to-a- le/(Ralph) Sampson believes Brogdon will be a solid NBA player.
“I think he will,” Sampson said. “I think he’ll be a very steady pro. He reminds me of Andre Miller and players like that that had long-term tenures in the NBA. Andre Miller is slow of foot, and I think he may be still playing today.”
He is. Miller, who turned 40 on Saturday, is a reserve for the Spurs.
Except Brogdon isn't really that slow. He recorded the fastest shuttle run time in the 2016 NBA Draft Combine. He'll be a steady 6'5" combo guard with big hands, a 6'10" wingspan, and proven defensive capability.
I am not sure if he will be available for us but if he is, Pop can't pass up on him. He's also older, I think he's 23 already. After a period of adjustment he might be ready to play sooner than rookie PG typically can.
TP is a fine placeholder as long as we accept that we're not going to win a ring with him starting any more.
In contrast, he'd be a great 6th man. But can we afford a 14m 6th man? And will his ego allow him to move to the bench? Oh, and who starts in his place?
Spurs have an interesting couple of rebuilding years on the way.
A versatile, high IQ and high character guy like Brogdon surely would've caught PATFO's attention the same way that Kyle did.
I still have hope that he's available at pick 29, as most scouts have already consigned him to the second round for his supposed limited upside due to his age and lack of athleticism.
I think if we go the draft way, we could afford it (or in addition to the draft, we would could consider dealing Patty for a young first round pick of the past couple of drafts. These guys are still young and in rookie scale contracts with unproven talent but so would players in this draft, be in the same situation. I saw someone suggest Tyus Jones for example since Minny may draft a PG. There are other young guards around the league in the same or similar boat), or draft Brogdon. We probably have to think and look at the younger prospects out there. Spurs may have cast their sight on Ray Mac since he had started games at 23 yrs old for Sacramento. Considering that his upside turned out to be limited it was ok to move in on, but they have to keep looking.TP is a fine placeholder as long as we accept that we're not going to win a ring with him starting any more.
In contrast, he'd be a great 6th man. But can we afford a 14m 6th man? And will his ego allow him to move to the bench? Oh, and who starts in his place?
Spurs have an interesting couple of rebuilding years on the way.
Trying this route would get us a younger guard, not overpriced that still has upside good years (not looking at the downturn of his career or injuries). It would allow this younger PG to get minutes behind Tony, get mentored and hopefully earn the spot. It may be time to look at some diamond in the rough somewhere. If he can pass he will do well, we already have scorers, as long as he can defend, pass well enough and develop a shot he could be fine. Brogdon looks ideal but there can be others, no big names.
What made me think about this possibility recently was Diaw stating the Spurs wished to keep him when I initially misread the whole situation thinking he'd be among the first to be in trade scenarios but thinking about it, if Timmy and Manu retire, it will be a lot more palatable and easier for TP to accept the bench role and enjoy it playing with his childhood friend in Boris. It could be something special for the bench. A shooter like Bertans would fit around them.
better to start sooner than later.
i can see manu and td coming back and i'm fine with that; finding their replacements for what their combined earnings will be next year is easier said than done.
if we could swap tp for teague... teague is only costing $8 million. and though i think he can do a suitable job, his contract would be off the books by next offseason... in addition to manu's and td's if they use their player options.
we should retool this summer by losing parker and then retool again next summer when we lose manu and td.
For some reason Tony has never gotten much credit around these parts. The casual Spurs fans I think love him but on this board even when they're winning championships people were rough on him.
Look at his POSTSEASON win-shares in '03/'05/'14 & get back at me.
2003: (Guess who's on the bench when the season is on the line)
2005:
2014:Leading Detroit scorer Chauncey Billups had made life miserable for Tony Parker most of the first six games of the series, averaging nearly 22 points per game. Popovich moved defensive ace Bruce Bowen to guard Billups in the second half of Game 7 and shifted Parker onto Richard Hamilton.Billups was limited to five shots in the second half. Hamilton led Detroit with 15 points, but struggled through a 6-for-18 shooting night.
Guess who's missing:"Spurs might win if Tony Parker doesn't return"-Reggie Miller
What does the neutral media think of the Porker/Kawhi dynamic: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/tony...a-city-thunder
Tony Parker has to realize the Spurs aren't his team anymore
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And if he's not playing we probably don't ring in any of those post seasons.Look at his POSTSEASON win-shares in '03/'05/'14 & get back at me.
2003: (Guess who's on the bench when the season is on the line)
2005:
2014:
Guess who's missing:
What does the neutral media think of the Porker/Kawhi dynamic: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/tony...a-city-thunder
Spurs fans hate him bc he was the y one of the big three while also being the worse of three hof players. Never mind that he wasn't really y by either young man or nba standards.
He also has the distinction of redefining the position . So many posters want a pass first pg because they forget how bad Avery was.
Kawhi storms YouTube spam is a good example. This young kid doesn't remember Avery and thinks Parker is a fraud because teams shut down his penetration in the playoffs. They see 2014 and assume we always had good shooters. The truth is we had Kerr, bones, Horry, but then Roger mason, Steve Smith, jaren Jackson. We were never a rich shooting team like the warriors. People want to impute the teams failing in Parker rather than the team talent.
This goes back to the topic " did the spurs choke" no, they didn't. Parker didn't lose us 2006. Not 2004. Not 2008-2013 either. He's been exactly the same player all along,,a talented driver with historically great finishing. People want him to be the player we needed, not the player we had. When the spurs lose in the future with average players we'll look back on our hof core and appreciate Parker for what he is: a hof pg with a mountain of achievement with the team. Meanwhile the kids have their stats, YouTube clips, agenda, and stunning lack of historical frame.
My God Parker is way better than Avery. Even this tosb post prime Parker is better than prime Avery. Think about that!
spurs choked, they are better without attacking version of parker. when his ft rate started going down, he needed to go away. he's roger dorn now. trade
If the Lakers didn't have Fisher, they wouldn't have won either but that doesn't mean he wasn't irreplaceable.
Porker had a VORP of ZERO in 2003/2005 meaning he was painfully AVERAGE. In 2014, he had a VORP of 0.1 meaning he was just a tad bit above average.
Basically, Porker could have been easily replaced by a guy that has never made the All-Star or All-NBA team (Conley).
Jason Eugene Terry had a win-share of 2.6 for the 2011 postseason run meanwhile Porker had a COMBINED win-share of 2.8 for the '03/'05/'14 postseason runs.
Derek Fisher was better than Avery, so that's not saying much.
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