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    Dude, you could be the greatest debater or reality bender of all time and you would still find it impossible to defeat anyone on such a ridiculous idea like baseball players being more athletic than soccer players.
    Prove it. I can prove it by comparing athletic metrics (sprint speeds, verticals, bench presses, etc). All you can do is appeal to physique.

    Does a soccer player have better upper body strength than a baseball player. Yes or no?

    Lower body strength? Soccer players seem to be the obvious choice, but the sprint speeds and vertical leaps compared to baseball players don't suggest that. You also need a ton of lower body strength to hit a ball 450 feet and throw over 90mph.

    Soccer players only have a stamina advantage.

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    you're posting the video that I always post to debunk the idea that soccer players are uber-athletic.

    Ronaldo's marks in that video are complete compared to that of the more athletic baseball players. 30" vertical , 3.31 25m sprint time

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    Imagine a compe ive sport that values "walks", obese men & tobacco.
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    English NT isn't quite like Babe "GOAT" Ruth or the Yankees, your futbol knowledge is embarrassing.

    Babe Ruth was so fat that the Yankees added the pinstripes to make him look slimmer:

    Beisbol a sport

    One of the least fun sport to play.

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    English NT isn't quite like Babe "GOAT" Ruth or the Yankees, your futbol knowledge is embarrassing.

    Babe Ruth was so fat that the Yankees added the pinstripes to make him look slimmer:

    You're also comparing an early 20th century player to a mid-century player.

    Compared Pele to this:



    Jackie Robinson would slaughter Pele in the 100m.

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    Prove it. I can prove it by comparing athletic metrics (sprint speeds, verticals, bench presses, etc). All you can do is appeal to physique.
    Kevin Durant had a poor pre-draft metrics so I guess he's a ty athlete compared to McBuckets who had an elite vertical during the combines.

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    You're also comparing an early 20th century player to a mid-century player.
    Except the GOAT beisbol player happens to be from the stone ages, stuck in America's past time.

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    Prove it. I can prove it by comparing athletic metrics (sprint speeds, verticals, bench presses, etc). All you can do is appeal to physique.

    Does a soccer player have better upper body strength than a baseball player. Yes or no?

    Lower body strength? Soccer players seem to be the obvious choice, but the sprint speeds and vertical leaps compared to baseball players don't suggest that. You also need a ton of lower body strength to hit a ball 450 feet and throw over 90mph.

    Soccer players only have a stamina advantage.
    I would feel stupid wasting time to prove something so obvious, tbh.

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    Kevin Durant had a poor pre-draft metrics so I guess he's a ty athlete compared to McBuckets who had an elite vertical during the combines.
    Were talking about athletic metrics after they've already matured. Statcast on MLB tracks run speeds for baserunning and defense. They do this in soccer, as well. The fastest recorded player in soccer checked in at 21.87 mph. The fastest recorded baseball player checked in at 23mph. From the Ronaldo video, we see his running vert measured at 30" (). And his 25m (82 feet) is laughably slow (it prorates out to about a 4.7 40 yard dash time). Baseball players cover 90 feet in less time than it took Ronaldo to run 82 feet

    , even the fatass Prince Fielder ran a 4.5 40 in HS, and he was always fat.

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    Ronaldo's marks in that video are complete compared to that of the more athletic baseball players. 30" vertical , 3.31 25m sprint time
    You don't think he could increase his vertical & 40 yard dash time if he actually specifically trained for it just like folks in the States do before pre-draft combines?

    Look at Manu/Tony, they barely do strength training b/c they didn't grow up in that type of environment but were still NATURALLY fast/athletic.

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    vs.



    They're like 60 years old and still good enough to make the English national team
    Dude, that's not a photo of an official match.

    The oldest player to ever make thr England NT was Seaman at age 39, and was, obviously, a goalkeeper

    Being so used to baseball to the point where you actually think old farts can play real sports at the professional level.

    Old farts being in better shape than 90% of the current baseball players

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    Except the GOAT beisbol player happens to be from the stone ages, stuck in America's past time.
    Saying Ruth is the GOAT is like saying Wilt or Russell are the GOATs. He also wasn't that fat and had the typical 1920s athlete body. The pics you post are from when he was far past his prime.



    Ruth's body is no worse than this:


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    You don't think he could increase his vertical if he actually specifically trained for it just like folks in the States do before pre-draft combines?
    Why wouldn't a striker train for it when heading the ball can be a vital part of the game?

    Baseball players also don't specifically train for it to the extent basketball players do, and they still out jump Ronaldo

    30" is pretty terrible for a lean and shredded 6'1" 170lb world class athlete whose game revolves around explosive leg strength. You can't spin this. Ronaldo is just not naturally athletic in that area. And despite his "ripped looking" legs, I just don't think he has natural explosiveness. I mean, you have 300lb NFL lineman running faster 40's than him.

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    Dude, that's not a photo of an official match.

    The oldest player to ever make thr England NT was Seaman at age 39, and was, obviously, a goalkeeper

    Being so used to baseball to the point where you actually think old farts can play real sports at the professional level.

    Old farts being in better shape than 90% of the current baseball players
    I couldn't tell because Charlton always looked like he was 60 years old


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    Saying Ruth is the GOAT is like saying Wilt or Russell are the GOATs. He also wasn't that fat and had the typical 1920s athlete body. The pics you post are from when he was far past his prime.
    Dumbass, you can argue Wilt is the GOAT if you take out the rings out of the equation & he was an ELITE athlete (so was Bill Russell for that matter). Meanwhile, Babe Ruth is the GOAT with or without rings & was also overweight DURING his prime when he hit 60 HRs:



    Ruth's body is no worse than this:

    Typical ignorant American that thinks Rooney is an elite Futbol player b/c the British media were selling his shyt.
    Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 06-09-2016 at 01:55 AM.

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    Baseball players also don't specifically train for it to the extent basketball players do
    You're right, they just shoot up anabolic steroids & transform into superman in a matter of a season.


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    Were talking about athletic metrics after they've already matured. Statcast on MLB tracks run speeds for baserunning and defense. They do this in soccer, as well. The fastest recorded player in soccer checked in at 21.87 mph. The fastest recorded baseball player checked in at 23mph
    You're talking about a game where there are DESIGNATED base-runners who specialize in RUNNING() b/c the DH is morbidly obese.

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    You're also comparing an early 20th century player to a mid-century player.

    Compared Pele to this:



    Jackie Robinson would slaughter Pele in the 100m.
    measuring sport quality by athleticism
    juicing to hit a ing ball with a ing bat while standing still
    tactical level in football is more complicated than anything you ever learn in school in america (not saying much tbh)
    a game between interested only in $$$, no national motivation.
    getting hammered by cuba 25-1 in world cups all that athleticism and jumping and monkeying and getting cucked on an epic level by cuba
    won only 1 world cup, worse than the "bigger stronger faster" athletes in japan or panama "but but but it doesn't matter"
    8 hours of eating in the stands, that's your great national pastime not beisball.
    pele is a world-wide name, bringing his nation rings and tournaments VS some random nobody knowns about in the civilized world and probably died of hunger.
    rest of the civilized world doesn't give a about any american sport except basketball.
    needs artificial rules like hop-step/half-step/motion-step/crab-dribble because can't understand rules. still lost to ing greece and serbia would probably lose to an all-euro team, euros not even interested in basketball tbh.
    merica the first 1st world country to devolve to 3rd world. trump for president, god have mercy on this planet.
    economics, 994395439743964368683689439685689 deficit spiraling out of control, public more interested in got rights and wigs better chance of survival in baghdad than in chicago. can't even invade because bankrupt, relegated to just talking , north korean style.
    depending on china to finance your homes, to shut up little north korea and to keep russia in check
    putin drilling obama a new one everywhere they've met.
    bandwagoned b2b WWs and people still live far better lives in germany
    organizing a copa america for your neighbor
    at myself for debating a , might catch some exotic disease.

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    Dumbass, you can argue Wilt is the GOAT if you take out the rings out of the equation & he was an ELITE athlete (so was Bill Russell for that matter). Meanwhile, Babe Ruth is the GOAT with or without rings & was also overweight DURING his prime when he hit 60 HRs:





    Typical ignorant American that thinks Rooney is an elite Futbol player b/c the British media were selling his shyt.
    Fine then, George Mikan.

    He was probably overweight, but when does overweight equal unathletic? I mean, you have 300Lb lineman running faster than Ronaldo

    And as much as you denigrate a great baseball player for being fat, I can do the same for soccer in the form of height.

    The GOAT (Maradona) being 5'4"

    I mean, in what other major ball sport can a literal midget become the greatest of all-time?

    And Maradona's successor is 5'6"

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    measuring sport quality by athleticism
    juicing to hit a ing ball with a ing bat while standing still
    tactical level in football is more complicated than anything you ever learn in school in america (not saying much tbh)
    a game between interested only in $$$, no national motivation.
    getting hammered by cuba 25-1 in world cups all that athleticism and jumping and monkeying and getting cucked on an epic level by cuba
    won only 1 world cup, worse than the "bigger stronger faster" athletes in japan or panama "but but but it doesn't matter"
    8 hours of eating in the stands, that's your great national pastime not beisball.
    pele is a world-wide name, bringing his nation rings and tournaments VS some random nobody knowns about in the civilized world and probably died of hunger.
    rest of the civilized world doesn't give a about any american sport except basketball.
    needs artificial rules like hop-step/half-step/motion-step/crab-dribble because can't understand rules. still lost to ing greece and serbia would probably lose to an all-euro team, euros not even interested in basketball tbh.
    merica the first 1st world country to devolve to 3rd world. trump for president, god have mercy on this planet.
    economics, 994395439743964368683689439685689 deficit spiraling out of control, public more interested in got rights and wigs better chance of survival in baghdad than in chicago. can't even invade because bankrupt, relegated to just talking , north korean style.
    depending on china to finance your homes, to shut up little north korea and to keep russia in check
    putin drilling obama a new one everywhere they've met.
    bandwagoned b2b WWs and people still live far better lives in germany
    organizing a copa america for your neighbor
    at myself for debating a , might catch some exotic disease.
    You sound mad.

    Does the penis envy you have toward your American betters really hurt you that much?


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    It's honestly sad watching these guys exercise... Feels like I'm watching The Biggest Loser




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    I played both sports but Baseball is the only one I watch on a regular basis. I'll watch soccer every once and a while, mainly only national team tournaments since the MLS sucks.


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    Fine then, George Mikan.
    George Mikan was only the best player of an era when EVERYONE in the league was WHITE. (Wilt would have crushed him)

    He was probably overweight, but when does overweight equal unathletic?
    Beer belly+lack of muscle definition+trotting around the base like an 80 year old lady

    And as much as you denigrate a great baseball player for being fat, I can do the same for soccer in the form of height.

    The GOAT (Maradona) being 5'4"

    I mean, in what other major ball sport can a literal midget become the greatest of all-time?

    And Maradona's successor is 5'6"
    WTF does height have to do w/ athleticism?

    Iverson was 5'11" & used to dominate giants in the PAINT!

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    You sound mad.

    Does the penis envy you have toward your American betters really hurt you that much?

    Nazis called, they want their Nobel Laureates back.

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    Nazis called, they want their Nobel Laureates back.
    Midnight has to bust yet another myth now?

    Nobel Winners by country of birth:

    USA (257)

    Germany (61)

    https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_pri...countries.html

    Trust me, I've been posting with Euros for a long time, I know all their counterarguments and the counters to them

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