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Fifa pockets the vast majority of that massive revenue, not the country hosting it tbh
Oh it has taken away a signuficant portion of an important demographic..The Youth..
Soccer is even more popular than it was in the 90.
I mean the world cup itself beats the olympics. Every sport not named soccer or tennis most important event is in the olympics and it cant even top the world cupl
Do you realize how silly popular it is? How crazy that is?
Outside of maybe Basketball, I cant think of any other team sport that has had a significant e in popularity in the last 20 years.
Beisbol is actually slowly dying. Hockey is a nich team sport. Its game 1 and 2 finals couldnt even top a ty uru vs mexico match.
Football is for americans who love to watch commercials.
Fifa pockets the vast majority of that massive revenue, not the country hosting it tbh
And how do owners expect to profit if there isn't a growing popularity in these new areas?
Yup. Biggest BS ever. That needs changing. What does FIFA need the money for? A large portions of development that happens is because of the confederations who have their own money coming from confederation revenue.Fifa pockets the vast majority of that massive revenue, not the country hosting it tbh
I cant think of a huge revenue FIFA spends on
If this huge youth movement you claim is true (I don't deny there's been a surge), then it would reflect in the overall demographics. Also, people can follow more than one sport, so it's not like soccer will automatically eat revenue from baseball.Oh it has taken away a signuficant portion of an important demographic..The Youth..
Soccer is even more popular than it was in the 90.
I mean the world cup itself beats the olympics. Every sport not named soccer or tennis most important event is in the olympics and it cant even top the world cup
Do you realize how silly popular it is? How crazy that is?
Outside of maybe Basketball, I cant think of any other team sport that has had a significant e in popularity in the last 20 years.
Beisbol is actually slowly dying. Hockey is a nich team sport. Its game 1 and 2 finals couldnt even top a ty uru vs mexico match.
Football is for americans who love to watch commercials.
Baseball isn't dying, actually.
Let's check out a baseball hot spot in South Korea:
You see that baseball has actually surpassed soccer as the number one spectator sport in the country.
Here's television ratings for the World Baseball Classic from Japan:
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/426440...iwan-and-japanThe game registered a 22.1 rating and a 43 share out-rating all 2012 Olympics coverage and World Cup Qualifying matches.
And the U18 Baseball World Cup Final crushed the ratings in Japan:
http://www.mister-baseball.com/1-tv-...rld-cup-osaka/
You think baseball is dying because you're buying the myth that low national US television ratings for the World Series compared to their historic highs is evidence of the game "dying." But baseball's model is different, becoming a regional game now, and local networks are paying BILLIONS for the broadcasting rights.
And here's the attendance figures from 1998-2014:
You'll see that 3 million more people attended than in 98, when supposedly everyone in the country was a fan because it was the steroid era and there was lots of homers.
We've seen this "sport of the youth" logic before. In my day, it was basketball. "American sport of the future. Jordan this, Jordan that. Kids don't want to be Babe Ruth anymore, they want to be Michael Jordan!" Basketball actually grew less in the States following Jordan's retirement in 1998 (but it grew globally, obviously). And basketball is still behind baseball in the US sports landscape.
It's a matter of passion, mid. I recall the late 90s with an absurd amount of harcore baseball fans. Beisbol has actually turned into a "date" night kinda thing or a Movie kinda thing. It's a very popular recreation thing to do but it has died down in terms of compe ive following.
Go watch a beisbol game live. You'd be lying if you told me at least 30% of the fans are real fans...People go to beisbol game nowadys to relax and spend time. You know why? Because most people understand the rules, it's outdoor and more importantly the ticket is cheap. It's essentially a picknick party sport. People go there to spend time with family and Eat Hot dogs and fries.
Hockey doesnt have this advantage because its indoor and most americans dont understand Hockey rules.
Those are actually ridiculous soccer numbers from Korea. Beisbol was in large part the biggest ( it wasnt even close) youth sport in Korea 25 years ago. That's a ridiculous e of interest form the koreans.
If you would have told me soccer beat beisbol in attendance in korea in 2010, Inwould have told you..go yourself. That's insane. I'm guessing 02 world cup had a huge influence.
Plus, your sources are legit beisbol friendly soucrs trying to defend its dying sport.
My point with Korea is that growth in one sport doesn't automatically mean decline for another. You're Asian (Filipino), so you know how popular "hand-eye coordination" sports are with Asians (in the Philippine case its pool/billiards, which are also massively popular in China (along with ping pong and badminton) and Taiwan). Baseball won't be dying anytime soon in Japan, Korea, and Taiwan in our lifetime.
Yeah, it's true a lot of baseball fans who attend live are "casuals," but this is also true for basketball (see the example of you always complaining about how fairweather Spurs fans are who attend games). Look how many Curry, Kobe, and Lebron fans there are who don't even know the rules of the game
In any event, if you want to use National TV ratings, the NBA and MLB draw similar numbers locally and during playoff games. The MLB is actually far ahead regionally.
There's a significant difference between a basketball casual watcher and a beisbol casual fan. Basketbal casuals usually watch the games to be bandwagoning gots..but they cheer and are usually engaged in the game.My point with Korea is that growth in one sport doesn't automatically mean decline for another. You're Asian (Filipino), so you know how popular "hand-eye coordination" sports are with Asians (in the Philippine case its pool/billiards, which are also massively popular in China (along with ping pong and badminton) and Taiwan). Baseball won't be dying anytime soon in Japan, Korea, and Taiwan in our lifetime.
Yeah, it's true a lot of baseball fans who attend live are "casuals," but this is also true for basketball (see the example of you always complaining about how fairweather Spurs fans are who attend games). Look how many Curry, Kobe, and Lebron fans there are who don't even know the rules of the game
In any event, if you want to use National TV ratings, the NBA and MLB draw similar numbers locally and during playoff games. The MLB is actually far ahead regionally.
Beisbol goes go to beisbol games to attend an outdoor sports that offer good food, with fresh air and some hot babes or for gals cute dudes.
Many people who go "watch" beisbol games..even thought they dont know it..basically treat like going for a barbecue in the park or some .
Thats why beisbol is a dying sport. Its compe ive following is almdt non-existnat save maybe for the playoffs.
Ticket sales and profits don't care about how hardcore or not a fan is. Actually, the health of anything, from sports to television shows. is how well you can draw in the casual.
Also, you're flat wrong on the contention that baseball has no compe ive following until the playoffs. Regional television ratings are SOARING and they actually beat the NBA and NHL playoffs in that market, meaning the guy in Boston would rather watch a regular season Sox game than watch Lebron or Curry in the playoffs
http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybro.../#5537ba3f3b90
Sorry, there's just no evidence it's dying.
"When you can't challenge the claim, attack the source."
Here's the wikisource for 2015 attendance numbers in Korea:
Baseball: 10.2K per game
Soccer: 7.7K per game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...sports_leagues
Sure ticket sales dont matter in terms of financial stability of a sport. Its what makes it going. Like Ive said the average beisbol game is a great recreational activity. Its not going to die down because of that angle. Good food, outdoors, etc.
Regional viewing in North America is highy dependant on ball club sucess. Most fans who watch beisbol on TV do so for regional pride.
I'm not going to argue for Hockey because I know its not that popular of a sport in America..but Hockey fans are by far imo the most passionate of fans in NA...could just be canadiens but still.
I wasnt arguing for soccer taking over korea. I dont think it has reached that point yet. I'm saying that its crazy that in 2010 it managed to beat Beisbol in attendance. I recall in the early 90s..Socxer was like Hockey and and beisbol was like Football so there was significant difference. It just crazy how much its still getting more popular even though its already the mpdt popular sport in the world.
IIRC, Korea soccer clubs were dominating the Asian champions league. Could be the reason of the e in attendance numbers.
Soccer is only good for gambling
That's every sport. And baseball fans are super hardcore. You know how much you can discuss regarding this sport, with all the stats, roster building dynamics, prospects from your farm teams, etc, etc?
That's why I stick to basketball discussion, it's much easier
And Chicago, NY, Boston, and St. Louis are hardcore baseball towns. I love basketball, but I can't honestly think of a "basketball town." Most people are bandwagoners in basketball. Even in San Antonio, where it's the city's only sport, you have fans sitting on their hands and not cheering and showing up late to games.
But even with soccer's emergence in Korea, look how baseball attendance continues to grow:
, it even seem to be dying in the early-00s.
Point is, one sport getting more popular doesn't mean the other sport will automatically decline.
Crouch is a SCRUB who is famous for being tall like Shawn Bradley, meanwhile CC Sabathia is a Cy Young winner & league MVP w/ a ridiculous pot belly.Dat lower body
6'10" Karlovic owns the all-time record for aces & has 20 wins over top 10 players including multiple wins against the two best ATP players of all-time: Federer/Djokovic.
But...but...but...he didn't win a Grand Slam thus 6'10" player can't make it. Let's just ignore 6'10" player aren't even groomed to be tennis players but the one that did owns an ATP record & beat Federer/Djokovic.
Sproles is basically the SHORTEST running back in the league & so according to your logic NFL players must be scrubs b/c the shortest player owns the record for all-purpose yards beating out the likes of Chris Johnson who in his prime had been anointed the fastest player in the league.Like I said, there's players who beat the odds (Sproles, Bogues, etc), but there's a very low likelihood of a 6'10" person making it in pro soccer or baseball, a 5'6" person making in the NFL or NBA, etc.
You mean amongst white Americans b/c their folks can't make in the NBA.
Stern ins uting a dress code to cater to corporate WHITE America at a time when the rest of the world (European/Asians) were embracing hip-hop culture :
Crying over bat flips when it's common practice in other leagues b/c it isn't America's past-time.
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Once again, fat=/=unathletic.Crouch is a SCRUB who is famous for being tall like Shawn Bradley, meanwhile CC Sabathia is a Cy Young winner & league MVP w/ a ridiculous pot belly.
You know what kind of upperbody strength and kinetic linking it takes to generate arm movement up to 120+ mph (which is required to throw a 90mph fast ball)?
Are you so simple minded that you only equate "athleticism" with running and jumping?
There's always EXCEPTIONS. How many times do i have to repeat that until it sticks in your brain?6'10" Karlovic owns the all-time record for aces & has 20 wins over top 10 players including multiple wins against the two best ATP players of all-time: Federer/Djokovic.
But...but...but...he didn't win a Grand Slam thus 6'10" player can't make it. Let's just ignore 6'10" player aren't even groomed to be tennis players but the one that did owns an ATP record & beat Federer/Djokovic.
Sproles is basically the SHORTEST running back in the league & so according to your logic NFL players must be scrubs b/c the shortest player owns the record for all-purpose yards beating out the likes of Chris Johnson who in his prime had been anointed the fastest player in the league.
And
And Latino Americans. Latinos are actually more negatively vocal toward that "mayate" sport than whites.You mean amongst white Americans b/c their folks can't make in the NBA.
Stern ins uting a dress code to cater to corporate WHITE America at a time when the rest of the world (European/Asians) were embracing hip-hop culture :
Crying over bat flips when it's common practice in other leagues b/c it isn't America's past-time.
5'4" =/= unathletic
You know the agility, dexterity & coordination required to weave through defenders at full speed while not losing control of a ball then stopping on a dime before curling the ball to the top corner all in one motion. What about the reflex & hand-eye coordination required to stop shots as fast as 140 mph while having to cover an 8 x 24 ft strike zone.You know what kind of upperbody strength and kinetic linking it takes to generate arm movement up to 120+ mph (which is required to throw a 90mph fast ball)?
You're the dumbass that claimed all that's required in Futbol is speed when the only British athlete to ever run under 10 seconds for the 100m & under 20 seconds for he 200m couldn't even make it to Divison II.Are you so simple minded that you only equate "athleticism" with running and jumping?
When Eduardo Najera is the GOAT Messican American to ever play in the NBA then those 4'11" 195 lbs Messicans have less to cheer for than gringos.
A scrub like Jeremy Lin galvanized Asian Americans, imagine what would happen if one of their people ever became a superstar like Wardell.
I never claimed that. I said a good pair of legs, which would translate into running, jumping, cutting, kicking, and so forth.5'4" =/= unathletic
You know the agility, dexterity & coordination required to weave through defenders at full speed while not losing control of a ball then stopping on a dime before curling the ball to the top corner all in one motion. What about the reflex & hand-eye coordination required to stop shots as fast as 140 mph while having to cover an 8 x 24 ft strike zone.
You're the dumbass that claimed all that's required in Futbol is speed when the only British athlete to ever run under 10 seconds for the 100m & under 20 seconds for he 200m couldn't even make it to Divison II.
And
Yes, bro, I know the fastest a soccer ball reaches the moment it leaves the foot can be anywhere from 100-140mph, but a soccer ball isn't the most aerodynamic thing and it considerably loses speed thereafter. Most shots in a penalty shootout situation, which is an ideal kicking situation, top out at 80mph as they reach the goalie. And that's only from 12 yards out, meaning a soccer ball loses a lot of velocity very quickly.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/adve...-kick-physics/
Happens in baseball, too obviously. When Chapman pitches, hitters ain't seeing a 106 mph fastball.
But a baseball is much denser and aerodynamic so it loses nowhere the amount of speed a soccer ball does.By the time it reaches the plate, the fastball in air isn't moving 90 mph any more. Its horizontal speed is about 80 mph, so a 90 mph fastball loses about 10 mph due to air resistance by the time it reaches the batter. This loss of speed is larger for pitches which start out faster -- after all, the drag force does grow with the square of the speed.
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