NBA LGBT Pride Month Tshirts

[Killakobe81]

1. It's not genetic - people have long demanded an explanation for why there is no gay gene if sexuality is supposedly natural, but the fact is that less than 5% of the population identifies as gay. Less than 5% is not reflective of the gene pool. Heterosexual parents produce gay children, sexual parents produce straight children. Human sexuality is a product of a lot of things, and it is not a "gay or straight" thing. Masculinity and social repression teach people that you're either one or the other, and anything in between is not up for discussion. An honest assessment of sexuality would show that it's a product of a great many factors in development, and can be expressed in a large variety of ways. No element of sexuality is chosen. How one acts on their sexuality and impulses IS a choice.

2. The right to a child should not determined by whether or not you and your partner are physically capable of making a child on your own. Excluding two men or two women on that basis alone makes no sense. Studies show children develop equally in same-sex parent environments versus opposite sex environments. Parenting is about loving your child and being a guiding force, not about subscribing to an antiquated gender binary that simplifies human development into requiring a female influence and a male influence in order to yield positive results. You even said yourself, there are a lot of ty heterosexual parents out there. To exclude a willing, passionate set of parents for reasons that blatantly disregard their ability to love and nurture a child without a home is asinine.

3. The shirts are a money grab, but as a gay man I appreciate them. They're simple and elegant. I don't need more Spurs shirts but they are nice.

4. "People are not allowed to disagree anymore". This is what white people said when segregation ended and the Civil Rights Act passed. This is what straight people say when they're told LGBT people have to be treated like everyone else. This is what people will always say when something that doesn't affect them happens and they don't like it. Your original post started off great, what with thinking it's only someone else's business to do what they want with their lives. Your adoption and genetics arguments simply lack substance. You can dislike gay people if you want. I'll never understand why straight people preoccupy themselves so much with other people, but you can do that. Just don't become a voice in the slowly dying chorus of civil oppression.

Appreciate your candor and willigness to share. Just like the post your responded to (not mine) you have given me some food for thought.

[Killakobe81]

God I hope you're doing a comedy bit. "Where is straight pride?" is one of the most widely circulated jokes about backwards thought on the Internet. Poor straight, white Christians. The government was tailor-made to serve your interests above all others and social standards of beauty, family, stability, wealth, and power are all built around your image. Black History Month, Pride, etc. are all important because literally every other waking second of human existence is a celebration of straight, white Christians.

its such a preposterous suggestion that I legitimately assume people are being sarcastic when they say it.

Great response.

[Killakobe81]

1. It's not genetic - people have long demanded an explanation for why there is no gay gene if sexuality is supposedly natural, but the fact is that less than 5% of the population identifies as gay. Less than 5% is not reflective of the gene pool. Heterosexual parents produce gay children, sexual parents produce straight children. Human sexuality is a product of a lot of things, and it is not a "gay or straight" thing. Masculinity and social repression teach people that you're either one or the other, and anything in between is not up for discussion. An honest assessment of sexuality would show that it's a product of a great many factors in development, and can be expressed in a large variety of ways. No element of sexuality is chosen. How one acts on their sexuality and impulses IS a choice.

2. The right to a child should not determined by whether or not you and your partner are physically capable of making a child on your own. Excluding two men or two women on that basis alone makes no sense. Studies show children develop equally in same-sex parent environments versus opposite sex environments. Parenting is about loving your child and being a guiding force, not about subscribing to an antiquated gender binary that simplifies human development into requiring a female influence and a male influence in order to yield positive results. You even said yourself, there are a lot of ty heterosexual parents out there. To exclude a willing, passionate set of parents for reasons that blatantly disregard their ability to love and nurture a child without a home is asinine.

3. The shirts are a money grab, but as a gay man I appreciate them. They're simple and elegant. I don't need more Spurs shirts but they are nice.

4. "People are not allowed to disagree anymore". This is what white people said when segregation ended and the Civil Rights Act passed. This is what straight people say when they're told LGBT people have to be treated like everyone else. This is what people will always say when something that doesn't affect them happens and they don't like it. Your original post started off great, what with thinking it's only someone else's business to do what they want with their lives. Your adoption and genetics arguments simply lack substance. You can dislike gay people if you want. I'll never understand why straight people preoccupy themselves so much with other people, but you can do that. Just don't become a voice in the slowly dying chorus of civil oppression.

is that the true number less than 5%. In college I always heard 10% ...What studies provide a true reflection and how was that determined? Wouldnt the number of closeted folks throw off that number?

[Phenomanul]

1. It's not genetic - people have long demanded an explanation for why there is no gay gene if sexuality is supposedly natural, but the fact is that less than 5% of the population identifies as gay. Less than 5% is not reflective of the gene pool. Heterosexual parents produce gay children, sexual parents produce straight children. Human sexuality is a product of a lot of things, and it is not a "gay or straight" thing. Masculinity and social repression teach people that you're either one or the other, and anything in between is not up for discussion. An honest assessment of sexuality would show that it's a product of a great many factors in development, and can be expressed in a large variety of ways. No element of sexuality is chosen. How one acts on their sexuality and impulses IS a choice.

2. The right to a child should not determined by whether or not you and your partner are physically capable of making a child on your own. Excluding two men or two women on that basis alone makes no sense. Studies show children develop equally in same-sex parent environments versus opposite sex environments. Parenting is about loving your child and being a guiding force, not about subscribing to an antiquated gender binary that simplifies human development into requiring a female influence and a male influence in order to yield positive results. You even said yourself, there are a lot of ty heterosexual parents out there. To exclude a willing, passionate set of parents for reasons that blatantly disregard their ability to love and nurture a child without a home is asinine.

3. The shirts are a money grab, but as a gay man I appreciate them. They're simple and elegant. I don't need more Spurs shirts but they are nice.

4. "People are not allowed to disagree anymore". This is what white people said when segregation ended and the Civil Rights Act passed. This is what straight people say when they're told LGBT people have to be treated like everyone else. This is what people will always say when something that doesn't affect them happens and they don't like it. Your original post started off great, what with thinking it's only someone else's business to do what they want with their lives. Your adoption and genetics arguments simply lack substance. You can dislike gay people if you want. I'll never understand why straight people preoccupy themselves so much with other people, but you can do that. Just don't become a voice in the slowly dying chorus of civil oppression.

Repeat "Lie No. 1" as often as you like. But your assertion of my frame of mind, is not represented by your generalized statement. That I don't condone what you DO (as a self identified gay man) [i.e. the implicit action is what I consider reprobate]) --> does not translate to "I don't tolerate who you ARE."

I'm going to go on a limb and state that you likely didn't read any of the linked study - or your "genetics arguments simply lacks substance" comment would not have been included. I happened to work under one of the head scientists in charge of the HGP at MIT (a devout atheist mind you) on my way to a degree in Molecular Genetics. Even he was frustrated by the folks in the LGBTQ camp who insisted "the project was failing them".

It's simple really, women and men have several distinct anatomical differences manifested by the expression of our genes. A woman, born a woman has every right to demand the same "rights" as given to men under the law --> because they did not have a CHOICE on their gender. The woman's suffrage movement, hence, was based on expounding the intrinsic unfairness of treating them as unequals. The Civil Rights movement, likewise, strived to give people of all races equal rights and protection under the law because it was expounding on the fact that to deny them rights based on who they ARE was discriminatory (the various races themselves stemming from a plethora of genetic variations). The LGBTQ movement is flawed in trying to equate themselves to this dynamic because the reprehension is not based on who they ARE as people but rather on what they DO, specifically in the bedroom. They can love whomever they please, but to engage in same-sex sexual activity is what is being highlighted as reprobate. I love my friends, male and female alike. I love my family members, male and female alike. I don't however, engage in sex with folks of my own gender.

As for the adoption issue, I was talking from the frame of reference of jurisdictional authority. But if LGBTQ "desires" are learned/developed behavior (not having a genetic source rather an environmental source) THEN subjecting/exposing children to said behaviors or the acceptability of said behaviors just perpetuates the ever growing opinion that said behavior is acceptable. It is my opinion same-sex sexual activity it is not acceptable behavior (for many reasons including health related ones --> which is why gay men disproportionately carry the AIDS virus compared against their heterosexual peers, and uggggh because feces is involved... gross).

Civil oppression. ummm OK.

I simply don't agree with same-sex intercourse ---> an action/behavior.

Much like I don't agree with someone or anyone looking down on their fellow brother/sister.

I don't dislike YOU. But I do dislike the lie that somehow "I dislike you". The distinction is key.

Again, when it comes to the LGBT issue - disagreement - is equated to intolerance --- which is deceitfully ignorant.

[cd98]

God I hope you're doing a comedy bit. "Where is straight pride?" is one of the most widely circulated jokes about backwards thought on the Internet. Poor straight, white Christians. The government was tailor-made to serve your interests above all others and social standards of beauty, family, stability, wealth, and power are all built around your image. Black History Month, Pride, etc. are all important because literally every other waking second of human existence is a celebration of straight, white Christians.

its such a preposterous suggestion that I legitimately assume people are being sarcastic when they say it.

Actually I'm not in favor of Christian night, etc. I just like to see the politically correct police come out and spout your same tired anti-religion pro-gay viewpoints. I actually believe that the essence of true acceptance is not having to do these special nights for things that are supposed to be private and no one's business. And I would find it typical and hypocritical if there was a "Christian" night in the NBA and you complained.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

We already had gay pride colors..recall the pink fast breaking fiesta logo?
The neon pink? Ain't no color gayer than that.

And a several gay players along the way over the last decade or two... 2 I can think of off the top of my head.

[Horry Hipcheck]

is that the true number less than 5%. In college I always heard 10% ...What studies provide a true reflection and how was that determined? Wouldnt the number of closeted folks throw off that number?

It's been shown in studies and polls that public belief puts actual population numbers between 10 and 30% - in actuality it's less than 5%. However, as you've sort of touched on, this is reflective of people that openly identify themselves as gay. It also kind of pigeonholes that number into "gay", and usually doesn't include other points on the sexuality spectrum (bi-sexual, trans, gender , pansexual, you name it).

[Horry Hipcheck]

Actually I'm not in favor of Christian night, etc. I just like to see the politically correct police come out and spout your same tired anti-religion pro-gay viewpoints. I actually believe that the essence of true acceptance is not having to do these special nights for things that are supposed to be private and no one's business. And I would find it typical and hypocritical if there was a "Christian" night in the NBA and you complained.

You're right in the sense that true acceptance and equality would mean that minority outreach and recognition wouldn't be necessary - but we're not at that point. I'm not a Christian myself, but as the NBA is not a branch of the government, they could do a "Christian" night if they really wanted and I wouldn't protest. I just think it's comical that the white, religious population thinks they're en led to be "tired" of hearing pushback against their beliefs, when it is their beliefs and image that have been literally ins utionalized by governments for hundreds and hundreds of years as the Standard by which others should be expected to live their lives. You're experiencing a fraction of an iota of what people in my position have experienced their entire lives. A lot have it far worse than I do, too, since I'm a white male.

And "political correctness" is not the same as "don't force other people to adhere to or even respect your beliefs".

[spurtech09]

Do you also complain when the Spurs wear the camouflage uniforms?

Im pretty sure you are all for it....Sicko.....

[baseline bum]

Im pretty sure you are all for it....Sicko.....

Can I still your sister in the afterlife son?

[spurtech09]

This LGBT movement is a thumbs down for me....Don't have nothing against Gays just its wrong in Gods book....God created man and woman....not man man or woman woman...or any other weird man made creation

[spurtech09]

Can I still your sister in the afterlife son?

Hey people this man wants to have sex with my little sister......pedophile ......ban this perve

[baseline bum]

Hey people this man wants to have sex with my little sister......pedophile ......ban this perve

But the afterlife goes on forever, so I wouldn't have to wait long for her to hit 18. You can watch if you want you sick bas .

[spurtech09]

But the afterlife goes on forever, so I wouldn't have to wait long for her to hit 18. You can watch if you want you sick bas .

People if I were you watch out for baseline bum....He is into little kids.....Always harassing me....Telling me he wants to do something to my little sisters....Beware of this Man....Ban him or report him to the cops....Im serious

[baseline bum]

People if I were you watch out for baseline bum....He is into little kids.....Always harassing me....Telling me he wants to do something to my little sisters....Beware of this Man....Ban him or report him to the cops....Im serious

You have no room, your bible is fine with pedos.

[spurtech09]

They are shoving the LGBT movement in everyone's face. Waste of money for those manufacturers.

Agree

[Horry Hipcheck]

Repeat "Lie No. 1" as often as you like. But your assertion of my frame of mind, is not represented by your generalized statement. That I don't condone what you DO (as a self identified gay man) [i.e. the implicit action is what I consider reprobate]) --> does not translate to "I don't tolerate who you ARE."

I'm going to go on a limb and state that you likely didn't read any of the linked study - or your "genetics arguments simply lacks substance" comment would not have been included. I happened to work under one of the head scientists in charge of the HGP at MIT (a devout atheist mind you) on my way to a degree in Molecular Genetics. Even he was frustrated by the folks in the LGBTQ camp who insisted "the project was failing them".

It's simple really, women and men have several distinct anatomical differences manifested by the expression of our genes. A woman, born a woman has every right to demand the same "rights" as given to men under the law --> because they did not have a CHOICE on their gender. The woman's suffrage movement, hence, was based on expounding the intrinsic unfairness of treating them as unequals. The Civil Rights movement, likewise, strived to give people of all races equal rights and protection under the law because it was expounding on the fact that to deny them rights based on who they ARE was discriminatory (the various races themselves stemming from a plethora of genetic variations). The LGBTQ movement is flawed in trying to equate themselves to this dynamic because the reprehension is not based on who they ARE as people but rather on what they DO, specifically in the bedroom. They can love whomever they please, but to engage in same-sex sexual activity is what is being highlighted as reprobate. I love my friends, male and female alike. I love my family members, male and female alike. I don't however, engage in sex with folks of my own gender.

As for the adoption issue, I was talking from the frame of reference of jurisdictional authority. But if LGBTQ "desires" are learned/developed behavior (not having a genetic source rather an environmental source) THEN subjecting/exposing children to said behaviors or the acceptability of said behaviors just perpetuates the ever growing opinion that said behavior is acceptable. It is my opinion same-sex sexual activity it is not acceptable behavior (for many reasons including health related ones --> which is why gay men disproportionately carry the AIDS virus compared against their heterosexual peers, and uggggh because feces is involved... gross).

Civil oppression. ummm OK.

I simply don't agree with same-sex intercourse ---> an action/behavior.

Much like I don't agree with someone or anyone looking down on their fellow brother/sister.

I don't dislike YOU. But I do dislike the lie that somehow "I dislike you". The distinction is key.

Again, when it comes to the LGBT issue - disagreement - is equated to intolerance --- which is deceitfully ignorant.

I did read the study, and while I never questioned your credentials, congrats on your achievement.

Where I and a lot of people in my position have an issue is in being categorized by what we do that therefore determines who we are. I could abstain from any sexual involvement with another man my entire life, it would not change the fact that I am gay. It is also not the only thing that comprises my iden y as a gay man. To suggest such is to dehumanize me, and that's not tolerance.

You're taking my assertion that sexuality is a product of many developmental conditions and using it to support the idea that because gay men are gay, then their children would naturally be conditioned into being gay. Which, first of all, is not what I said at all, and secondly, is a straw man argument that flies directly in the face of the reality that heterosexual parents produce sexual children all the time. I did not say sexuality is a learned behavior, nor is human sexuality at all. I believe it to be a combination of genetics (and NOT a single "gay gene" that flips some switch inside us at birth) and developmental conditions that do not universally pertain to the environment in which you are raised. I identified the 5% of the population, but that pertains to people who openly identify themselves as such. Many more fall somewhere along a line that comprises the sexuality spectrum. So much of the debate re: this particular aspect of human nature relies on an antiquated construct of human sexuality as being black or white. It isn't, and because it's not I find gene studies searching for the "one thing" that makes gay people different in the way men and women are different to be ridiculous.

The "civil oppression" is not an accusation that you're actively oppressing people; but rather that the foundation upon which lawmakers and voters have built their cases against LGBT people sounds a lot like what you're talking about. You're touting the suggestion that equating disagreement with intolerance is ignorant, but twisting my words in a way that advances what has become the anti-LGBT narrative.

Whether or not you like me or any gay person is not really my concern. And you can decide that you never need to have intercourse with a member of your own sex, because nobody's asking you to. I don't have a problem with you thinking it's "gross", although I find that to be rather childish, and since anal intercourse is not exclusive to sexual men, rather unfair to mention it here since it is only the act between two men you dislike. We could have a separate discussion about the nature of non-vaginal intercourse and how strongly you disagree with it for reasons religious, medical, or otherwise, but that would deviate from the idea that I Am What I Do, and that doesn't help you. It's that toxic narrative that we are only what we do, and that makes us dangerous, that fuels a great deal of the problems I face on a daily basis. I've had one too many psychiatrists try and figure out what's supposedly wrong with me, I've dealt with years and years of abuse from my family, all because they subscribe to the ideas we're talking about now. The lack of a gene to satisfy the scientific need to understand why some people are gay, bi, or anything else does not directly correlate to a matter of choice.

EDIT: A lot of this is coming from a pretty emotional place, as I have a long history of less than pleasant conversations about who I am. So I apologize that this is not the most intellectual debate on the subject.

[spurtech09]

Well the NFL supports LGBT and now the NBA supports it.....I guess no more sports for me......Were living in the sad times.....

[baseline bum]

Well the NFL supports LGBT and now the NBA supports it.....I guess no more sports for me......Were living in the sad times.....

Go burn a cross or something

[spurtech09]

Disgusting.

Yes

[spurtech09]

Good for the NBA, tbh..I'm going to purchase a Spurs shirt, right now..

ESPN did the right thing by awarding Caitlyn Jenner the "courage" award, and the NBA is doing a great job in promoting the necessary steps that need to be taken by our society..

People need to wake up.....Repent and forgive for there sins......Eventually we all have to face God.....Judgment Day

[cd98]

You're right in the sense that true acceptance and equality would mean that minority outreach and recognition wouldn't be necessary - but we're not at that point. I'm not a Christian myself, but as the NBA is not a branch of the government, they could do a "Christian" night if they really wanted and I wouldn't protest. I just think it's comical that the white, religious population thinks they're en led to be "tired" of hearing pushback against their beliefs, when it is their beliefs and image that have been literally ins utionalized by governments for hundreds and hundreds of years as the Standard by which others should be expected to live their lives. You're experiencing a fraction of an iota of what people in my position have experienced their entire lives. A lot have it far worse than I do, too, since I'm a white male.

And "political correctness" is not the same as "don't force other people to adhere to or even respect your beliefs".

Except the gay minority is not a defenseless minority like it was 20 years ago. Now the gay lobby is incredibly powerful. Not only do they regularly win most discrimination suits in the court system, but they have enjoyed favorably federal legislation and have defeated most attempts by state and local government to bolster religious freedoms. And they have private sector strength as demonstrated by their boycot powers that got the Mozilla CEO fired because he donated to prop 8 even though he had no professional complaints about his treatment of gays. So I do think gay pride or ESPN's new website that caters to African Americans are not only unnecessary, but they reinforce division. I don't think someone that is anti-gay rights is going to be swayed by people wearing rainbow-colored NBA logos.

[baseline bum]

Except the gay minority is not a defenseless minority like it was 20 years ago. Now the gay lobby is incredibly powerful. Not only do they regularly win most discrimination suits in the court system, but they have enjoyed favorably federal legislation and have defeated most attempts by state and local government to bolster religious freedoms. And they have private sector strength as demonstrated by their boycot powers that got the Mozilla CEO fired because he donated to prop 8 even though he had no professional complaints about his treatment of gays. So I do think gay pride or ESPN's new website that caters to African Americans are not only unnecessary, but they reinforce division. I don't think someone that is anti-gay rights is going to be swayed by people wearing rainbow-colored NBA logos.

gays getting married violates my Christian right to be never be offended

[coachmac87]

Repeat "Lie No. 1" as often as you like. But your assertion of my frame of mind, is not represented by your generalized statement. That I don't condone what you DO (as a self identified gay man) [i.e. the implicit action is what I consider reprobate]) --> does not translate to "I don't tolerate who you ARE."

I'm going to go on a limb and state that you likely didn't read any of the linked study - or your "genetics arguments simply lacks substance" comment would not have been included. I happened to work under one of the head scientists in charge of the HGP at MIT (a devout atheist mind you) on my way to a degree in Molecular Genetics. Even he was frustrated by the folks in the LGBTQ camp who insisted "the project was failing them".

It's simple really, women and men have several distinct anatomical differences manifested by the expression of our genes. A woman, born a woman has every right to demand the same "rights" as given to men under the law --> because they did not have a CHOICE on their gender. The woman's suffrage movement, hence, was based on expounding the intrinsic unfairness of treating them as unequals. The Civil Rights movement, likewise, strived to give people of all races equal rights and protection under the law because it was expounding on the fact that to deny them rights based on who they ARE was discriminatory (the various races themselves stemming from a plethora of genetic variations). The LGBTQ movement is flawed in trying to equate themselves to this dynamic because the reprehension is not based on who they ARE as people but rather on what they DO, specifically in the bedroom. They can love whomever they please, but to engage in same-sex sexual activity is what is being highlighted as reprobate. I love my friends, male and female alike. I love my family members, male and female alike. I don't however, engage in sex with folks of my own gender.

As for the adoption issue, I was talking from the frame of reference of jurisdictional authority. But if LGBTQ "desires" are learned/developed behavior (not having a genetic source rather an environmental source) THEN subjecting/exposing children to said behaviors or the acceptability of said behaviors just perpetuates the ever growing opinion that said behavior is acceptable. It is my opinion same-sex sexual activity it is not acceptable behavior (for many reasons including health related ones --> which is why gay men disproportionately carry the AIDS virus compared against their heterosexual peers, and uggggh because feces is involved... gross).

Civil oppression. ummm OK.

I simply don't agree with same-sex intercourse ---> an action/behavior.

Much like I don't agree with someone or anyone looking down on their fellow brother/sister.

I don't dislike YOU. But I do dislike the lie that somehow "I dislike you". The distinction is key.

Again, when it comes to the LGBT issue - disagreement - is equated to intolerance --- which is deceitfully ignorant.

You sir are a genius...

[coachmac87]

You have no room, your bible is fine with pedos.

Not true. But did you just admit to being a pedo?