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  1. #426
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    He also has the distinction of redefining the position . So many posters want a pass first pg because they forget how bad Avery was.
    Avery was a Delly status scrub, being better than him isn't an achievement.

    This young kid doesn't remember Avery and thinks Parker is a fraud because teams shut down his penetration in the playoffs. They see 2014 and assume we always had good shooters. The truth is we had Kerr, bones, Horry, but then Roger mason, Steve Smith, jaren Jackson. We were never a rich shooting team like the warriors. People want to impute the teams failing in Parker rather than the team talent.
    He's a playoff choker w/ a shaky jump shot who was benched for Speedy motha in' Claxton in a championship clincher.

    This goes back to the topic " did the spurs choke" no, they didn't. Parker didn't lose us 2006. Not 2004. Not 2008-2013 either.
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6...ck-into-series

    The other Tony? He's been outplayed and outclassed by Mike Conley, an exorbitant, mediocre player who did diddly squat in the pros before this season. When the Rockets routed the Grizzlies a few months ago at FedEx Forum behind Kyle Lowry's 27 points, it appeared GM Chris Wallace had parted with the wrong point guard.
    He's been exactly the same player all along
    I agree, a postseason choker.
    Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 06-07-2016 at 11:19 PM.

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    swap tp for teague... and then after the clippers do nothing in the playoffs again... cp3 declines his player option and signs with us?

    do not want tp's contract on the books next free agency. don't want it this summer either.

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    The reason the Spurs are better without him is exactly his contract duration, not so much the ammount. If Parker was due 30 million this year, it wouldn´t hurt us much, the problem is that we owe him that for two years, and while this year free agent class is at the PG position, next year will be great, and we need to be in position there.

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    was right about kyrie too.

    parker had 3 assists. that is not okay for a starting PG.
    Irving had 0 in a game
    i hate irving more than parker tbh.
    ^ thank you for providing the comparison though. both are starting at point guard even though they can't play it.
    kyrie is trash. yeah, he has handles... but he's all flash/hype.

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    For some reason Tony has never gotten much credit around these parts. The casual Spurs fans I think love him but on this board even when they're winning championships people were rough on him.
    They started out idiots who are angry because Manu wasn't starting, and now they've given birth to idiots who just repeat what they hear.

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    i wish there was a metric for how long a player holds on to the ball.

    tp dominating the ball is literally the opposite of good ball movement, obviously.

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    Couldn't possibly be worst than what we have now... Adam Hanga looks pretty damn good here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHEShOxzdiY


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    i wish there was a metric for how long a player holds on to the ball.

    tp dominating the ball is literally the opposite of good ball movement, obviously.
    do you mean a point guard is holding on to the balll? lol got. This thread is like a huge self own. you pop up every month to bump this thread and yet Tony remains the starter.

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    i wish there was a metric for how long a player holds on to the ball.
    Yes. It's called WSCTSC. Wasted seconds compared to shot clock. Tony's is 20.3

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    i wish there was a metric for how long a player holds on to the ball.

    tp dominating the ball is literally the opposite of good ball movement, obviously.
    I also wish I could find that metric to prove that Parker isn't all that bad about holding the ball. He initiates the offense because he's a PG, and he shoots a fair amount (USG% 21.5 last season, 20 is average) because he's the third option on offense.

    Put it this way: Parker had a higher USG% in 2014 at the height of the "beautiful game." He dominated the ball more then than he does now.

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    I thought Ray was the answer, but we saw how that went.
    the less you post on here the smarter you'll seem.

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    I also wish I could find that metric to prove that Parker isn't all that bad about holding the ball. He initiates the offense because he's a PG, and he shoots a fair amount (USG% 21.5 last season, 20 is average) because he's the third option on offense.

    Put it this way: Parker had a higher USG% in 2014 at the height of the "beautiful game." He dominated the ball more then than he does now.
    how many games have you watched this past season? parker burns the shot clock down like he's the great chicago fire.

    you say parker dominated the ball more in 2014 than now... what does that even matter going forward? if he's on the team next season he should dominate the ball even less.

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    how many games have you watched this past season? parker burns the shot clock down like he's the great chicago fire.

    you say parker dominated the ball more in 2014 than now... what does that even matter going forward? if he's on the team next season he should dominate the ball even less.
    This.

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    lets shake the magical point guard tree and see which amazing young pg is falling to us. I'd be impressed if you ever had a reasonable take other than "no more parker plz, my manhood pales in his comparison"

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    lets shake the magical point guard tree and see which amazing young pg is falling to us. I'd be impressed if you ever had a reasonable take other than "no more parker plz, my manhood pales in his comparison"
    I wouldn't give a if a Pop Tart fell out as long as it cost less than $30,000,000.

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    Depends. Who can we replace him with? Patty Mills is not the answer. Sadly, he was worse than TP this past year.

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    Depends. Who can we replace him with? Patty Mills is not the answer. Sadly, he was worse than TP this past year.
    At this point the spurs could plug in another average height PG and probably get the same production. The offense is changing and getting away from the duties and the secrets that Parker guards so well with his corporate knowledge.

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    how many games have you watched this past season? parker burns the shot clock down like he's the great chicago fire.
    I watched 80 of the 82 regular season games and all of the playoff games. Not every single minute, I tended to turn off blowouts. But I saw most of Parker's minutes.

    you say parker dominated the ball more in 2014 than now... what does that even matter going forward? if he's on the team next season he should dominate the ball even less.
    My point is that if you have a problem with Parker "dominating the ball" right now, even though he really isn't, you should have had an even bigger problem with it in 2014. But were you complaining about it then?

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    My point is that if you have a problem with Parker "dominating the ball" right now, even though he really isn't, you should have had an even bigger problem with it in 2014. But were you complaining about it then?
    He does though... dominate the ball right now. Maybe not every play but once he gets into that mode, he doesn't stop. And it's usually in the 4th quarter. It's the same play.

    Parker dribbles up to top of key.
    Pick set for Parker.
    Parker goes around wrong side of pick and then bounces back to the top.
    Parker dribbles and looks to penetrate.
    Parker not quick enough to penetrate.
    Parker dribbles to the side and passes with 3 seconds left on clock.
    Kawaii has to throw up tough contested jumper.

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    He does though... dominate the ball right now. Maybe not every play but once he gets into that mode, he doesn't stop. And it's usually in the 4th quarter. It's the same play.

    Parker dribbles up to top of key.
    Pick set for Parker.
    Parker goes around wrong side of pick and then bounces back to the top.
    Parker dribbles and looks to penetrate.
    Parker not quick enough to penetrate.
    Parker dribbles to the side and passes with 3 seconds left on clock.
    Kawaii has to throw up tough contested jumper.
    You're forgetting the ole terrible 2 man game with the wrong big who catches the ball either too early or the ball gets stolen.

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    You're forgetting the ole terrible 2 man game with the wrong big who catches the ball either too early or the ball gets stolen.
    oh right. that's play #2.

    bottom line is that the offense looks like for many reasons.

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    My point is that if you have a problem with Parker "dominating the ball" right now, even though he really isn't, you should have had an even bigger problem with it in 2014. But were you complaining about it then?
    keep trying to convince yourself i guess...

    and 13/14 parker was better than 15/16 parker... there really isn't much of a point in the point you're trying to make.

    At this point the spurs could plug in another average height PG and probably get the same production.
    plug in another pg and he'd average more assists tbh.

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    keep trying to convince yourself i guess...

    and 13/14 parker was better than 15/16 parker... there really isn't much of a point in the point you're trying to make.


    plug in another pg and he'd average more assists tbh.

    More Kyle "Weapon X" Anderson

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    keep trying to convince yourself i guess...

    and 13/14 parker was better than 15/16 parker... there really isn't much of a point in the point you're trying to make.
    My point is that you're trying to use feelings and memory to assert that Parker is dominating the ball, while I actually have numbers to back up what I'm saying. A guy with a barely-above-average USG% is not really dominating the ball. Period.

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    FYI..

    Average Seconds Per Touch:
    1. Reggie Jackson 5.99
    2. Lillard 5.64
    3. Paul 5.52
    4. Westbrook 5.44
    5. Rubio 5.3
    6. Parker 5.16
    7. Walker 5.15
    8. Jennings 5.12
    9. Frazier 5.05
    10. Payne 5.02

    Time of Poss(mins):
    1. Lillard 8.4
    2. Westbrook 8.2
    3. Paul 8
    4. Walker 7.8
    5. Wall 7.7
    6. Jackson 7.6
    7. Rondo 7.5
    8. Rubio 7
    9. Conley 6.7
    10. Lowry 6.5
    16. Parker 5.9

    Avg Dribble Per Touch:
    1. Jackson 6.15
    2. Joseph 5.74
    3. Parker 5.71
    4. Jennings 5.63
    5. Lillard 5.59

    He doesn't really dominate the ball that much in relation to the rest of the league, tbh..I agree he dominates too much in comparison to what his current ability warrants, but that's not really on Parker, it's on the lack of alternative playmakers on the Spurs roster..

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