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    The issue obviously is there is so much NRA money tied into politics. It's quite ridiculous. And while people I think legit feel disgusted and scared and tired of these shooting, they don't take their elected officials to task for being in bed with the NRA.

    Stop voting for people that have taken money from the NRA if that is what you believe in.

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    The shooter passed multiple background checks, was legally licensed and worked as a bodyguard. Unless you invent a crystal ball that can see the future and find out who's going to be radicalized before it happens, there's only so much you can do with background checks. At some point, it stops being everyone else's fault and starts being about the person who pulled the trigger.
    Yet he was on a terror watch list and was able to pass a background check

    Dumbass NRA suckers

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    The issue obviously is there is so much NRA money tied into politics. It's quite ridiculous. And while people I think legit feel disgusted and scared and tired of these shooting, they don't take their elected officials to task for being in bed with the NRA.

    Stop voting for people that have taken money from the NRA if that is what you believe in.
    They have the GOP and purple/red state dems by the balls. You break from their platform and they contest you in the next primary with lots of money.

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    Yeah based on the info available as of now he wasn't trained or ordered by isis or anything like that but certainly bought into their cause/message
    http://nypost.com/2014/09/22/islamic...ern-crusaders/

    WASHINGTON – The ISIS terror group is urging supporters to take the fight directly to the streets of the US and Europe by murdering civilians at random.

    “Smash his head with a rock, or slaughter him with a knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place, or choke him, or poison him,” ISIS spokesman Abu Muhammad al-Adnani says in a newly-released ISIS recording.

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    But this is the first public plea to untrained sympathizers to murder American and European civilians in their homelands as retaliation for the coalition being formed by the US to destroy the radical group.

    “If you can kill a disbelieving American or European, especially the spiteful and filthy French, or an Australian, or a Canadian … including the citizens of the countries that entered into a coalition against Islamic State, then rely upon Allah, and kill him,”
    Sounds like orders to me. But since he was never trained by ISIS, or supplied weapons by them, we're supposed to keep our heads in the sand and pretend ISIS had nothing to do with this I guess.

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    I mean yeah, there's no way to predict what someone on a terror watch list might do with a gun.

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    They have the GOP and purple/red state dems by the balls. You break from their platform and they contest you in the next primary with lots of money.
    It's really gotten out of control. I know it's Candy Land thinking from me but at some point, people have to do what's right for the greater good of this country and it's people. I know it's difficult and like you said, they really have dirt on everyone and so much power.

    It has to change or this will continue to be a problem. I think criminals will always find a way but we have to do something different. The only power the people have outside of sending thoughts and prayers is how they vote.

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    Intersectionality doesn't apply here. You can either support LGBT rights or you can support the right of Muslims to practice their ideology. You cannot have both in a liberal society.
    The quran doesn't have the death sentence for LBGT. It's a hadith and many muslims reject hadith because the quran says to.

    Unfortunately like christianity in the 4th century, islam in the 8th onwards out of Damascus and Baghdad started making up supposedly said by muhammad and passing it off as law. All of pauls writing being included in the bible is the same thing.

    Using your logic you could say the same for judaism and christianity as well for Leviticus and well as paul's .

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    It's really gotten out of control. I know it's Candy Land thinking from me but at some point, people have to do what's right for the greater good of this country and it's people. I know it's difficult and like you said, they really have dirt on everyone and so much power.

    It has to change or this will continue to be a problem. I think criminals will always find a way but we have to do something different. The only power the people have outside of sending thoughts and prayers is how they vote.
    It's going to take a systemic change. Citizens United needs to be gutted and this notion that money is speech be repudiated. We are an oligarchy plain and simple and arms manufacturers are extremely rich. Arm the populace and start a war. Reap profits.

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    Intersectionality doesn't apply here. You can either support LGBT rights or you can support the right of Muslims to practice their ideology. You cannot have both in a liberal society.
    Liberals don't understand that. It will take many more senseless acts of terrorism like this for them to finally realize it. They are the epitome of ing clueless.

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    We regulate speech in so many more ways than we regulate guns, which makes absolutely perfect sense to someone, somewhere, I'm sure.

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    It's the NRA's fault that time and time again, crazed psychos such as this guy that are capable of ending multiple people's lives can easily acquire and legally purchase as many guns as they want.

    Stricter background checks. Considering most people's positions are not to take away all guns, you'd think and hope the NRA in particular would at least be willing to compromise with common sense regulations.
    How is it the NRA's fault this guy passed extensive background checks?

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    Florida resident Omar S. Mateen was registered by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services as a private security officer with an additional Class G Firearm License. Compared to a standard civilian concealed carry permit issued by the same Department, Mateen was required to undergo the full battery of common gun control measures floated after mass shootings.

    Before acquiring a Class G permit, Mateen completed the requirements for the prerequisite Class D protocol. The Basic Security Officer Training process requires the completion of a 40 hour course over four consecutive days by a school or instructor licensed by the State of Florida. Mateen had to clear a criminal background check to satisfy the requirements and be legally able to work in the United States. He was required to renew his Class D Security license annually. Breitbart Texas’ review of Mateen’s Class D record found that license number D2723758 was set to expire on September 14, 2017.

    Florida resident Omar S. Mateen was registered by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services as a private security officer with an additional Class G Firearm License. Compared to a standard civilian concealed carry permit issued by the same Department, Mateen was required to undergo the full battery of common gun control measures floated after mass shootings.
    Before acquiring a Class G permit, Mateen completed the requirements for the prerequisite Class D protocol. The Basic Security Officer Training process requires the completion of a 40 hour course over four consecutive days by a school or instructor licensed by the State of Florida. Mateen had to clear a criminal background check to satisfy the requirements and be legally able to work in the United States. He was required to renew his Class D Security license annually. Breitbart Texas’ review of Mateen’s Class D record found that license number D2723758 was set to expire on September 14, 2017.
    Florida Dept. of Agriculture

    Mateen’s Class G firearm license was far more detailed. The gunman completed an additional 28 hours of guided instruction focusing on legal statutes governing the permit and responsibilities therein (12 hours); operational safety and firearm mechanics (8 hours); and a firearms qualification exam in a shooting range for eight hours. He passed a 96-round shooting proficiency battery. Thereafter, Mateen’s criminal background was reviewed again pursuant to the application and submitted to a separate medical evaluation that certified he had no conditions that “would preclude [Mateen] from performing duties in an armed capacity.”
    Class G licensees must register proofs of iden y, citizenship/legal residency and fingerprints with application do ents as well. Like Class D holders, Class G requires annual proficiency testing as well. Omar Mateen’s Class G license (G2704169) would have expired on September 13, 2017.

    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/...ooter-history/

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    http://nypost.com/2014/09/22/islamic...ern-crusaders/



    Sounds like orders to me. But since he was never trained by ISIS, or supplied weapons by them, we're supposed to keep our heads in the sand and pretend ISIS had nothing to do with this I guess.
    No specific order to him. The quote you gave is so broad that any time any Muslim comments any act of violence regardless of motive or intent, you can attribute to them.

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    ...Mateen who according to preliminary reports, had been on a terrorist watchlist, and who still managed to obtain weapons thanks to his various licenses and permits just last week, was employed by one of the world's largest security companies, where he may have had extensive clearances well above his pay grade, not to mention access to sophisticated military weapons and equipment.

    But where it gets more disturbing is that as Judicial Watch reported several days ago, in a post led, "DHS Quietly Moving, Releasing Vanloads Of Illegal Aliens Away From Border", border patrol sources said that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) was quietly transporting illegal immigrants from the Mexican border to Phoenix and releasing them without proper processing or issuing court appearance do ents. As a reminder, the government classifies them as Other Than Mexican (OTM) and this week around 35 were transferred 116 miles north from Tucson to a Phoenix bus station where they went their separate way. Judicial Watch was present when one of the white vans carrying a group of OTMs arrived at the Phoenix Greyhound station on Buckeye Road.

    And this is where the Mateen-G4S link emerges: as JW reported previously, a security company contracted by the U.S. government is driving the OTMs from the Border Patrol’s Tucson Sector where they were in custody to Phoenix, sources said. The firm is the abovementioned G4S, the world’s leading security solutions group with operations in more than 100 countries and 610,000 employees. G4S has more than 50,000 employees in the U.S. and its domestic headquarters is in Jupiter, Florida.




    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...ants-deep-insi

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    Liberals don't understand that. It will take many more senseless acts of terrorism like this for them to finally realize it. They are the epitome of ing clueless.
    But Christianity also denounces s. And you don't see anybody saying the same about Christians and gays in that manner. It's not the religion as a whole per se, but the moron prac ioners

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    interesting how they trying to blame this as a terrorists act

    if it was a terrorists act, why would the gun ranges/selller sell him that sort of rifle? they wouldve been notified about him by authorities

    whether his a gay hater or arab, why arent they focusing on gun control laws? why is those type of military guns are allowed to be sold to the avg person?

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    But Christianity also denounces s. And you don't see anybody saying the same about Christians and gays in that manner. It's not the religion as a whole per se, but the moron prac ioners
    False equivalence wit. The worst those evil Christians do is refuse to bake cakes with giant black designs or hold clown world marriages in their places of holy worship. They don't strap up and gun them down by the dozens.

    Try again.

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    False equivalence wit. The worst those evil Christians do is refuse to bake cakes with giant black designs or hold clown world marriages in their places of holy worship. They don't strap up and gun them down by the dozens.

    Try again.
    the equivalence i made was between the religions, not between the prac ioners. if you were able to read, you'd know that.

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    By the way, are French facebook users changing their profile picture to the American flag like everybody here did after Paris?

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    Yet he was on a terror watch list and was able to pass a background check

    Dumbass NRA suckers
    Incorrect:

    News of the legal purchases comes as officials confirmed that Mateen had been interviewed three times by the FBI in the years leading up to the shooting because his name came up in connection to two different cases. Such information would not show up in a background check because both cases were closed.

    Law enforcement sources confirmed that Mateen was on the FBI's radar but not necessarily on a watch list.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-sho...ry?id=39799861

    Dumbass gun confiscation suckers.

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    These are the victims of the Orlando massacre.
    http://fusion.net/story/313038/orlando-shooting-victims-names-pulse-massacre/

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    Question:

    Has it become too easy to kill large numbers of civilians outside of war/revolution settings?

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    We regulate speech in so many more ways than we regulate guns, which makes absolutely perfect sense to someone, somewhere, I'm sure.
    We regulate guns more than we regulate cars (which are 3,000 pound death machines), which makes absolutely perfect sense to someone, somewhere, I'm sure.

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    Question:

    Has it become too easy to kill large numbers of civilians outside of war/revolution settings?
    It will always be easy if that's what someone wants to do. Guns or not.

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    We regulate guns more than we regulate cars (which are 3,000 pound death machines), which makes absolutely perfect sense to someone, somewhere, I'm sure.
    if this mateen had a car instead of an AR15 or whatever it was, there would be way less dead and injured people

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    We regulate guns more than we regulate cars
    We do?

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