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    I never said anything about the past. I said it will always be easy.
    My bad.

    Its too damn easy.

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    I never said anything about the past. I said it will always be easy.
    what if someone could do the same damage via muskets, Daniel Day Lewis styles? disturbing but impressive imo.

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    what if someone could do the same damage via muskets, Daniel Day Lewis styles? disturbing but impressive imo.
    It'd be awesome for sure. There was some alernative history book a while ago where the Comfederates had machine guns. It made me wonder if just one person went back in time with a machine gun (and unlimited ammo), would they sinle handedly be able to win a battle.

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    An AR15 is not a combat weapon.
    Correct. It is a hunting device. For people who suck at hunting.

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    The scene changed to hostage negotiations once they arrived. Sounds like they were killed right away and then he called 911.
    50 people "were killed right away" and another 53 presumably shot "right away" and yet it took 3 hours to take out the gunman.

    This "sounds" like a total and complete police failure. One terrorist, 3 hours to take him down. I doubt the authorities will release the actual order of events to avoid exposing the cowardly behavior of the officers failing to respond in less than 3 hours.

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    The AR series weapons were designed for the military. They were first marketed to the military who called it the M-16. They now manufacture them to make it difficult to make them fully automatic on your own but to say they wouldn't be effective in combat is just nonsense from people that play semantic games to try and avoid gun laws.

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    Guarantee they are gonna call this a gay phobic hate crime and not home grown Muslim terrorism.
    They who? Are you saying Obama will acknowledge Muslim/ISIS inspired terrorism in his 12:30 speech?

    suggested drinking game.

    Take a shot every time Obama says guns.

    Skip ten "gun" shots every time he says Muslim Terrorism


    Damn. Is there anyone more wrong than this idiot?

    What a tremendous stick, wrong about everything

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    There's a pretty linear pattern seems to me of immediate friends, family of these mass murders not having the slightest clue of anything that's going on. Is it good acting on the part of the shooters or sympathetic people around him to his extremist beliefs.

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    There's a pretty linear pattern seems to me of immediate friends, family of these mass murders not having the slightest clue of anything that's going on. Is it good acting on the part of the shooters or sympathetic people around him to his extremist beliefs.
    and just like with Christian Taliban, it's impossible to tell where "I hate gays" (religion not involved) stops and where "Mohammed/Christ tells me to kill gays" starts.

    Both flavors of religious extremists are are filled with hate and use, cherry pick their religious bull to justify their crimes.

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    He was also bipolar, Mateen's ex-wife, Sitora Yusufiy, told reporters in Boulder, Colorado.

    "He was mentally unstable and mentally ill," Yusufiy said. Although records show the couple didn't divorce for two years after the marriage, Yusiufiy said she was actually only with Mateen for four months because he was abusive.

    She said he would not let her speak to her family and that family members had to come and literally pull her out of his arms.

    Yusufiy said she was "devastated, shocked, started shaking and crying" when she heard about the shooting, but she attributed the violence to Mateen's mental illness, not any alliance with terrorist groups.

    Rahman agreed.


    "My personal opinion is that this has nothing to do with ISIS," he said.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/or...+%28TPMNews%29

    But the Repugs are trying to trash Obama for not saying "Muslim radicalism". you Repugs, and the assholes you elect.



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    The question nobody is discussing is why it took 3 ing hours from the first officers on the scene until the terrorist was taken out. What the is wrong with all these "good guys with guns" that it takes 3 hours to intervene? I wonder how many of those 50 people would have survived if law enforcement would have manned up and stormed as soon as they got on the scene instead of planning a 3 hour SWAT team. Some heroes.
    Because he took hostages and there was a fire fight before they organized a strategy to raid the building. From what I read the hostages survived.

    Police Chief John Mina also said the shooter had some sort of “su ious device.” He said the suspect exchanged gunfire with an officer working at the club around 2 a.m., then went back inside and took hostages among more than 300 people inside.

    Mina said that 11 officers exchanged gunfire with Mateen at the nightclub.

    CBS News reports that robots are analyzing a device strapped to the gunman’s body to determine if it is a real or fake explosive device.

    Around 5 a.m., authorities sent in a SWAT team to rescue the hostages, and the suspect then died in a gunfight with those officers.
    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/...club-shooting/

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    Yet even if he was still on those watch lists, he could still buy a gun idiot.

    Omar Mateen was placed on a terrorist watch list maintained by the FBI when its agents questioned him in 2013 and 2014 about potential ties to terrorism, according to U.S. law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the case.

    He was subsequently removed from that database after the FBI closed its two investigations, one official said.

    In the first investigation, Mateen was questioned by FBI agents after they were told he had made inflammatory comments that co-workers worried were sympathetic to terrorists.

    The FBI agents determined that Mateen had not broken any laws and closed the investigation, a second official said.

    They questioned Mateen again the following year because agents had learned he had contact with an American who later died in a suicide bombing in Syria.

    Agents closed that investigation because they concluded the contacts with the suicide bomber had been minimal, an FBI official said.

    Even if Mateen were still on the terrorist watch list — known as the Terrorist Screening Database — the designation would not have precluded him from buying the semiautomatic pistol and assault-style rifle that he used in Sunday's massacre.

    Mateen bought two guns in the last 12 days from a gun store not far from his Florida home, federal officials said.

    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives described the weapons as a “.223 caliber AR type rifle and a 9mm semiautomatic pistol.”
    — Del Quentin Wilber

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    Between February 2004 (when the FBI started keeping tabs on people on the list trying to buy guns) and December 2014, there were 2,233 people on the list who applied to buy a weapon. Of those, 2,043 were allowed to proceed, including three applications to buy explosives. That’s a bit more than 91 percent.

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    ers on that list are allowed to buy guns LEGALLY. CN

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    Damn. Is there anyone more wrong than this idiot?

    What a tremendous stick, wrong about everything
    Wrong?. Obama didn't say a thing about Muslim terrorism and he did talk about new gun laws.

    Looks like you are the stick.

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    They were interviewing a witness in the club and he said he saw a bullet sticking out of someone "this far" and he spread his thumb and finger about three inches apart.
    Maybe he saw the guys pecker instead.

    a 5.56 bullet is less than an inch long.

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    Wrong?. Obama didn't say a thing about Muslim terrorism and he did talk about new gun laws.

    Looks like you are the stick.

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    Where has anyone seen that the guy was on the terror watch list? I have just seen/read that he was investigated by the FBI.

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    It'd be awesome for sure. There was some alernative history book a while ago where the Comfederates had machine guns. It made me wonder if just one person went back in time with a machine gun (and unlimited ammo), would they sinle handedly be able to win a battle.

    Yeah.

    Or when the Chinese invented those firework weapons where one major missile branched off and would have killed millions. Just like a nuclear weapon.

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    Because he took hostages and there was a fire fight before they organized a strategy to raid the building. From what I read the hostages survived.
    The video I previously posted showed 4-5 cop cars in front of the club and over 24 rounds going off in 10 seconds. They were on the scene, he was shooting, and they did nothing but turn on their lights apparently.

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    The video I previously posted showed 4-5 cop cars in front of the club and over 24 rounds going off in 10 seconds. They were on the scene, he was shooting, and they did nothing but turn on their lights apparently.
    its because they were scared less. they were face to face with a bad mother er. he had more fight than all of them.

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    Where has anyone seen that the guy was on the terror watch list? I have just seen/read that he was investigated by the FBI.
    someone should have done there job no need for my laws. He also went to jail. How do felons buy guns legal they can not. Someone needs to be fired

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    I think people should stop using the GUN argument, it doesnt make sense.

    If you are crazy and want to kill peoeple you dont need a gun, you can do it in many many many ways, at the end, the probem are is not gun control (not saying that works perfectly) but thats not the problem.

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    I think people should stop using the GUN argument, it doesnt make sense.

    If you are crazy and want to kill peoeple you dont need a gun, you can do it in many many many ways, at the end, the probem are is not gun control (not saying that works perfectly) but thats not the problem.
    Yep. Gun control laws didn't help in Paris.

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    Yep. Gun control laws didn't help in Paris.
    Those shooters weren't from Paris. They came from other countries as part of an ISIS operation.

    This guy legally obtained guns. Big difference.

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