Report: Spurs to make Davis Bertans minimum contract offer

[Horse]

You guys are gots both Gs and okc will give many chances to beat them too many turnovers. Golden state has a bad quarter and they their pants. Give Pop another year with LMA get some ball movement and we'll be right there again.

[SpursforSix]

You guys are gots both Gs and okc will give many chances to beat them too many turnovers. Golden state has a bad quarter and they their pants. Give Pop another year with LMA get some ball movement and we'll be right there again.

ball movement? for what? they don't have any real three point threats that make the defense chase out to the arc. Leonard I guess but he's going to draw tight coverage anyway.

[wildbill2u]

Bertans is about to shock the NBA

Is he missing half a finger on his shooting hand?

[TheGoldStandard]

Is he missing half a finger on his shooting hand?

Nah, he's just part of a gang.

[Obstructed_View]

Is he missing half a finger on his shooting hand?

Google "shocker".

[SpursforSix]

Is he missing half a finger on his shooting hand?

someone get me a saw and send Danny Green to my office

[GSH]

I've probably watched 20+ games of Bertans this season alone including every shot attempt, rebound, assist, turnover, and block in the euroleague and every finals game in the ACB and plenty of other ACB games. I'm the guy who promoted Boban while he was playing in Serbia, check the think tank. I've probably watched more combined games of all the Spurs stash players than than anyone on this forum save one or two, going back years.

Do posters not realize that 4 year deals are the way to go with second rounders? , it's what the Spurs did with Blair! A 2+2. It's the smart thing to do to tie up a player.

And the numbers I put up are peanuts. We're talking 1.5-2% of the cap. That's nothing. The dollars are less important than the years.

If you say you watched him, I believe you. What I saw left me with doubts about how he'll do in the NBA. Pro scouts disagree on things, so why shouldn't we?

Blair? Blair only fell to the second round because of worries over his ACL's. There's a world of difference between him and a stash who you know needs more years in Europe to develop. Blair was a first-rounder, for all purposes, and the Spurs essentially gave him a rookie scale contract. Most second-rounders don't get four-year deals.

Blair put up a double-double in his first game, and was the first NBA rookie since Duncan to have a 20-20 game. He kicked ass the AllStar Rookie Challenge, to the point that Kyrie Irving offered to share the MVP award with him. If you think Bertans is going to be like that, then four years seems like a good idea. Personally, I'd rather just see how he develops, and pay him in two years, if he turns out to be that good in the NBA.

[DPG21920]

I don't think anyone would be pissed at a Blair type deal at all - I just don't think it's anything to get worked up over. Also, the report in the OP uses the term min, but can come from something like the MLE that can be longer than 2 years anyways. We just don't know yet.

[TD 21]

Do posters not realize that 4 year deals are the way to go with second rounders? , it's what the Spurs did with Blair! A 2+2. It's the smart thing to do to tie up a player.

And the numbers I put up are peanuts. We're talking 1.5-2% of the cap. That's nothing. The dollars are less important than the years.

You're still looking at it strictly from the Spurs' point of view, as if there aren't two sides to this.

Blair was 7 years ago, back when 4 year deals for 2nd round picks were more common place. Then, it was about security at all costs. Now, if there's a decent or better chance of having staying power in the league, it's about getting to the second contract quicker and not being tied down to a bare minimum, below market value contract.

The McDaniels 1 year deal with the 76ers 2 years ago was the turning point.

[objective]

Except Blair wasn't guaranteed all 4 years. Neither was Parsons. There's lots of second rounders who were signed to 4 year partials, though that number could be declining as agents convince players to keep the years down and bet on themselves. That's what KJ McDaniels did when he signed the 1 year tender after refusing the 4 year partial deal.

But you can only do a deal longer than 2 seasons with cap space or the MLE. That's what me and others are concerned over. It doesn't matter if it's a 4 year deal at the minimum like Philly does for their guys like Hollis Thompson, Jerami Grant, et al or for more. The important thing is the years.

None of the players I mentioned had guarantees all 4 years. In Philly it's usually 2 years guaranteed, unguaranteed third year, and a fourth year team option. That would satisfy me as a spurs fan regardless if it's at 1 million a year or 1.5 or 2. If things go awry, no harm done and they can cut him after year 2. Or decline year four.

His injury history makes him more likely to do a long term deal if he can get more guaranteed, like the first two seasons, just like Blair. How much would Blair have cost the Spurs if he was a free agent after two years and 80+ starts? A whole lot to regret.

Guys who are older and healthy are the less likely to do a 4 year deal. Boban took a one year deal, and I have no doubt that was at his agent's insistence. Now he's going to make a lot of money. Same with Simmons. Whether a four year deal was on the table or not, Simmons should be thrilled that he'll be a free agent when he's about to turn 28 instead of 30.

[TD 21]

Except Blair wasn't guaranteed all 4 years. Neither was Parsons. There's lots of second rounders who were signed to 4 year partials, though that number could be declining as agents convince players to keep the years down and bet on themselves. That's what KJ McDaniels did when he signed the 1 year tender after refusing the 4 year partial deal.

But you can only do a deal longer than 2 seasons with cap space or the MLE. That's what me and others are concerned over. It doesn't matter if it's a 4 year deal at the minimum like Philly does for their guys like Hollis Thompson, Jerami Grant, et al or for more. The important thing is the years.

None of the players I mentioned had guarantees all 4 years. In Philly it's usually 2 years guaranteed, unguaranteed third year, and a fourth year team option. That would satisfy me as a spurs fan regardless if it's at 1 million a year or 1.5 or 2. If things go awry, no harm done and they can cut him after year 2. Or decline year four.

His injury history makes him more likely to do a long term deal if he can get more guaranteed, like the first two seasons, just like Blair. How much would Blair have cost the Spurs if he was a free agent after two years and 80+ starts? A whole lot to regret.

Guys who are older and healthy are the less likely to do a 4 year deal. Boban took a one year deal, and I have no doubt that was at his agent's insistence. Now he's going to make a lot of money. Same with Simmons. Whether a four year deal was on the table or not, Simmons should be thrilled that he'll be a free agent when he's about to turn 28 instead of 30.

Yeah, but it's the team that determine that and obviously, if a player provides good bang for the buck, the team will exercise their option(s).

I don't see any incentive for him to want to lock himself into a potential 4 year, team friendly contract.

Either way, it's not a big deal. Of course, a lot can change in 2 years, but at this writing, their financial situation at that point is good and even if he establishes himself as a rotation player by then, it's unlikely he's ever going to cost a significant amount, so it shouldn't come back to bite them.

[objective]

You're still looking at it strictly from the Spurs' point of view, as if there aren't two sides to this.

Blair was 7 years ago, back when 4 year deals for 2nd round picks were more common place. Then, it was about security at all costs. Now, if there's a decent or better chance of having staying power in the league, it's about getting to the second contract quicker and not being tied down to a bare minimum, below market value contract.

The McDaniels 1 year deal with the 76ers 2 years ago was the turning point.

There were 12 second rounders from the 2015 draft who signed contracts.

Tokoto wasn't being offered anything by Philly who was trying to stash him, but he's forced the issue by signing the one year tender and was cut before the season started.

1 player signed a two year deal, Brandon Dawson with the Clippers.

Of the remaining 10 players, 4 signed 4 year deals. So it's not that uncommon. But I'd be satisfied with a three year deal also. The more years the better.

And with Bertans and his injury history, security might be worth it for him.

[BillMc]

Spurs just making the team more "Latvian friendly" for when Porzingis is a FA. He should be sick of the Knicks chaos by then...

[TD 21]

There were 12 second rounders from the 2015 draft who signed contracts.

Tokoto wasn't being offered anything by Philly who was trying to stash him, but he's forced the issue by signing the one year tender and was cut before the season started.

1 player signed a two year deal, Brandon Dawson with the Clippers.

Of the remaining 10 players, 4 signed 4 year deals. So it's not that uncommon. But I'd be satisfied with a three year deal also. The more years the better.

And with Bertans and his injury history, security might be worth it for him.

It's not uncommon in general, but it now is for players who have a decent or better chance of having staying power in the league.

[objective]

Either way, it's not a big deal. Of course, a lot can change in 2 years, but at this writing, their financial situation at that point is good and even if he establishes himself as a rotation player by then, it's unlikely he's ever going to cost a significant amount, so it shouldn't come back to bite them.

Disagree, it is a big deal in that it could mean big money. Blair after year two had started 65 games. I bet he would have had a bigger offer as a restricted free agent that the Spurs might have made the mistake of matching. He barely played against Memphis but look at the Spurs that off season: Mcdyess was retiring, Splitter was in the doghouse with Blair, and Boris Diaw was under contract with Charlotte. Who knows what they might have been willing to match?

[TD 21]

Disagree, it is a big deal in that it could mean big money. Blair after year two had started 65 games. I bet he would have had a bigger offer as a restricted free agent that the Spurs might have made the mistake of matching. He barely played against Memphis but look at the Spurs that off season: Mcdyess was retiring, Splitter was in the doghouse with Blair, and Boris Diaw was under contract with Charlotte. Who knows what they might have been willing to match?

Again, there's two sides to this: Why would Bertans want to lock himself into a team friendly, 4 year contract?

You say security, but in his mind, he probably figures he'll either have established himself as a legit NBA player by then (and be paid as such) or, if not, return to Europe.

[objective]

Again, there's two sides to this: Why would Bertans want to lock himself into a team friendly, 4 year contract?

You say security, but in his mind, he probably figures he'll either have established himself as a legit NBA player by then (and be paid as such) or, if not, return to Europe.

Well, why does any player sign longer than a one year deal? A few guys are willing to do it, but the vast majority of players take years and security over potential dollars. The VAST majority. Just look at, well, nearly every one in the league. There's two sides in every contract negotiation, and most of the time, years are taken over immediate free agency. So many talking heads last summer had people believing that EVERYBODY was going to do a one year deal or one year opt outs with the explosion coming in the cap. Except for LeBron, it didn't happen. All that money that could have been had was walked away from.

With Bertans, one factor would be as I posted earlier in this discussion: more money. Wouldn't even be a lot necessarily, but 3 or 4 million guaranteed with the additional years that could get him a total of 5-8 and free agency at 27/28 would be a fair proposition for a guy who has blown his knee twice.

[TD 21]

Well, why does any player sign longer than a one year deal? A few guys are willing to do it, but the vast majority of players take years and security over potential dollars. The VAST majority. Just look at, well, nearly every one in the league. There's two sides in every contract negotiation, and most of the time, years are taken over immediate free agency. So many talking heads last summer had people believing that EVERYBODY was going to do a one year deal or one year opt outs with the explosion coming in the cap. Except for LeBron, it didn't happen. All that money that could have been had was walked away from.

With Bertans, one factor would be as I posted earlier in this discussion: more money. Wouldn't even be a lot necessarily, but 3 or 4 million guaranteed with the additional years that could get him a total of 5-8 and free agency at 27/28 would be a fair proposition for a guy who has blown his knee twice.

That's different because those players were going to get significant money either way, they'd have just gotten more had they had an opt out after one year.

Even in your proposal, he still wouldn't get significant money and would probably rather bet on himself.

I dare say money wasn't something Spurs wanted to give, even if they could get him locked up for 2 more years. There is still the thought process that Durant or Horford is coming to a meeting. And you want space for that meeting. That extra mil or 2 may be the difference between offering Durant a max or not.

That too. Whatever the case, I don't buy that they're being cheap or that this is an oversight.

[tbdog]

I dare say money wasn't something Spurs wanted to give, even if they could get him locked up for 2 more years. There is still the thought process that Durant or Horford is coming to a meeting. And you want space for that meeting. That extra mil or 2 may be the difference between offering Durant a max or not.

[SPURt]

Is he missing half a finger on his shooting hand?

Yep. When he was 13 he was using an electrical saw with his father and brother. He was wearing gloves and he was rushing to finish as it started raining. The glove was loose and that finger hit the saw and pulled that finger in. Now he is perpetually giving the "shocker".

They talk about it in this profile: http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/147...-kutxa-vitoria

[SAGirl]

HI

I've probably watched 20+ games of Bertans this season alone including every shot attempt, rebound, assist, turnover, and block in the euroleague and every finals game in the ACB and plenty of other ACB games. I'm the guy who promoted Boban while he was playing in Serbia, check the think tank. I've probably watched more combined games of all the Spurs stash players than than anyone on this forum save one or two, going back years.

Do posters not realize that 4 year deals are the way to go with second rounders? , it's what the Spurs did with Blair! A 2+2. It's the smart thing to do to tie up a player.

And the numbers I put up are peanuts. We're talking 1.5-2% of the cap. That's nothing. The dollars are less important than the years.

well I am no capologist. I am very weak on trades that make sense or deals that are reasonable. I think they are frugal bc they were planning moves in FA and had already paid the tax this season, but if their move is to resign D West for more for example, then I am with you. They should sign Bertans for 4 instead of paying DWorst. Seriously.

[SAGirl]

You're still looking at it strictly from the Spurs' point of view, as if there aren't two sides to this.

Blair was 7 years ago, back when 4 year deals for 2nd round picks were more common place. Then, it was about security at all costs. Now, if there's a decent or better chance of having staying power in the league, it's about getting to the second contract quicker and not being tied down to a bare minimum, below market value contract.

The McDaniels 1 year deal with the 76ers 2 years ago was the turning point.

You have a point if we think Bertans is betting on himself and he's the one wanting the short min deal, so that he can get paid the larger contract sooner. You are right that he will be a 24 yr old rookie with prior injury concerns. If he has a good healthy season he probably wants to not take his good health for granted and get paid sooner rather than later.

He may very well be the proponent for the short min deal. He's in no position to pressure for a longer higher deal without proving himself both health wise and as prospect, and once he does so he'll want to get paid quickly/as fast as possible.

We just don't know, it's definitely speculation any way we think about it.

[Chinook]

Spurs just making the team more "Latvian friendly" for when Porzingis is a FA. He should be sick of the Knicks chaos by then...

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[Chinook]

One thing to point out is that even a four-year min deal won't have any impact on the Spurs' cap space. It would just fill one of the roster charges that are factored into any serious estimate of cap space. The issue is that I don't think he'd sign up for more than two seasons at that rate. While he doesn't have a ton of leverage, he has enough for that. Even d-leaguers usually manage to get about a million or two guaranteed on long-term deals.

[Kawhitstorm]

If the Spurs don't land a big fish this summer, they'll almost certainly be looking to for one next summer. Even if they land someone like Durant, they'll have the cap space to try to get someone like Ibaka as well. I'd rather the team not have to worry about Bertans for a while.

Ibaka is going to be the only rim protector in the market next summer, dude is going to get the max so there is no way PATFO can acquire him w/o moving Porker which isn't going to happen.