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    What do you think Trump was implying?
    That Obama is soft on isis. Not that he's "in cahoots"

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    That Obama is soft on isis. Not that he's "in cahoots"
    bull . your rightwingnut birthers have been calling Obama a Kenyan Muslim for 8 years. Trash is dog whistling that EXACTLY.

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    That Obama is soft on isis. Not that he's "in cahoots"
    Hmm. I guess I'd have to question your reading comprehension skills if you think the below means Obama is soft on ISIS. Do you know what the words either and or mean? Not to mention he goes on to spell out the "something else on his mind" in vague terms "there is something else going on."

    “We’re led by a man who is a very – look, we’re led by a man that either is, is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,”Trump said.

    “And the something else in mind, you know, people can’t believe it. People cannot – they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the ways he acts and can’t even mention the words ‘radical Islamic terrorism.’ There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable.”


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    Hmm. I guess I'd have to question your reading comprehension skills if you think the below means Obama is soft on ISIS. Do you know what the words either and or mean? Not to mention he goes on to spell out the "something else on his mind" in vague terms "there is something else going on."
    You call it deliberately vague yet question other people's reading comprehension?

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    Mocking my reading comprehension while misquoting a direct quote that you yourself quoted?

    "Not tough" was even part of the quote

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    bull . your rightwingnut birthers have been calling Obama a Kenyan Muslim for 8 years. Trash is dog whistling that EXACTLY.
    I'm neither right wing, nor a birther, nor have I claimed Barry is a Muslim.

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    C'mon guys.

    In his own words he was raised as a muslim in Indonesia in his formative years.

    I don't doubt he "converted" to Christianity later in life and hung out with "Got Damn America" Reverend Wright.

    At the same time it can't help but influence and somewhat prejudice his world view on the Muslim faith.

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    Mocking my reading comprehension while misquoting a direct quote that you yourself quoted?

    "Not tough" was even part of the quote
    He said he's not tough, not smart, Or he's got something else on his mind. Then he proceeds to say what something else on his mind means. Do you understand what the word or means?

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    C'mon guys.

    In his own words he was raised as a muslim in Indonesia in his formative years.

    I don't doubt he "converted" to Christianity later in life and hung out with "Got Damn America" Reverend Wright.

    At the same time it can't help but influence and somewhat prejudice his world view on the Muslim faith.
    Nice use of scare quotes.

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    That Obama is soft on isis. Not that he's "in cahoots"
    When Trump said this:

    "Look, we're led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he's got something else in mind," Trump said in a lengthy interview on Fox News early Monday morning. "And the something else in mind — you know, people can't believe it. People cannot, they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and can't even mention the words 'radical Islamic terrorism.' There's something going on. It's inconceivable. There's something going on."
    I took that as Trump saying Obama was a muslim and that's why he doesn't A, use the word islamic terrorissm and B, doesn't want to "act" on them because he himself is a muslim.

    If you look back at Trump's history with Obama is not hard to see a connection. He doesn't believe Obama was even born here after Obama showed the certificate. Guy thinks Obama is a certified muslim for god's sake.

    Trump is on another level of stupid.

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    When Trump said this:



    I took that as Trump saying Obama was a muslim and that's why he doesn't A, use the word islamic terrorissm and B, doesn't want to "act" on them because he himself is a muslim.

    If you look back at Trump's history with Obama is not hard to see a connection. He doesn't believe Obama was even born here after Obama showed the certificate. Guy thinks Obama is a certified muslim for god's sake.

    Trump is on another level of stupid.
    Yeah. Pretty much anyone with basic reading comprehension skills reads it that way.

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    Yeah. Pretty much anyone with basic reading comprehension skills reads it that way.
    Actually, at this point more than a few people who laugh at Obama literally being Muslim find him a gigantic apologist and semen shielder. It is pretty much only neoliberals (outside of Islam proper) who rush to defend Muslims every time one or more of their radicals kill people. It is especially taking sone hoop jumping not to criticize any part of a faith which mass murders another neolib favorite, LGBTs.

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    "something going on" imo is a reference to the general pc movement trump is always ranting about. The refusal to acknowledge/identify the enemy, etc. To trump that whole dynamic is inconceivable

    Either way reck, suggesting Obama is a Muslim is a FAR cry from suggesting he's "in cahoots with terrorists"

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    Actually, at this point more than a few people who laugh at Obama literally being Muslim find him a gigantic apologist and semen shielder. It is pretty much only neoliberals (outside of Islam proper) who rush to defend Muslims every time one or more of their radicals kill people. It is especially taking sone hoop jumping not to criticize any part of a faith which mass murders another neolib favorite, LGBTs.
    What is your point? It's pretty obvious what trump said and it was not just "Obama isn't tough on ISIS", which is apparently what Spurraider read. I have no idea wtf you are talking about.

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    It is pretty much only neoliberals (outside of Islam proper) who rush to defend Muslims every time one or more of their radicals kill people.
    #distinctions

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    What is your point? It's pretty obvious what trump said and it was not just "Obama isn't tough on ISIS", which is apparently what Spurraider read. I have no idea wtf you are talking about.
    That Obama refusing to lay any part of the blame on radical Islam precludes any real defense against Pulse or San Bernardino happening again. Attacking only gun laws when an admitted religious terrorist commits a crime is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty and only makes people distrust your intentions and or your iq.

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    Neoliberals and real progressives arent the same by any measure. You would know that if you asked the right questions, Avante.

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    That Obama refusing to lay any part of the blame on radical Islam precludes any real defense against Pulse or San Bernardino happening again. Attacking only gun laws when an admitted religious terrorist commits a crime is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty and only makes people distrust your intentions and or your iq.
    you're full of .

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    Neoliberals and real progressives arent the same by any measure. You would know that if you asked the right questions, Avante.
    I don't know what you mean by that, I was just saying you seem to be having trouble with distinctions.

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    I don't know what you mean by that, I was just saying you seem to be having trouble with distinctions.
    It no longer surprises me if you misunderstand and lie about me or my posts.

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    It no longer surprises me if you misunderstand and lie about me or my posts.
    You're easy to misunderstand. Have you read some of the stuff you've posted in the last hour? Have you been drinking?

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    That Obama refusing to lay any part of the blame on radical Islam precludes any real defense against Pulse or San Bernardino happening again.
    I think this quote from Obama directly contradicts this statement:

    At the end of the day, this is something that we are going to have to grapple with -- making sure that even as we go after ISIL and other extremist organizations overseas, even as we hit their leadership, even as we go after their infrastructure, even as we take key personnel off the field, even as we disrupt external plots -- that one of the biggest challenges we are going to have is this kind of propaganda and perversions of Islam that you see generated on the Internet, and the capacity for that to seep into the minds of troubled individuals or weak individuals, and seeing them motivated then to take actions against people here in the United States and elsewhere in the world that are tragic. And so countering this extremist ideology is increasingly going to be just as important as making sure that we are disrupting more extensive plots engineered from the outside.

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    Is it just the fact that he refers to it as a perversion of Islam as opposed to radical Islam that you take issue with zosa?

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    I think this quote from Obama directly contradicts this statement:

    At the end of the day, this is something that we are going to have to grapple with -- making sure that even as we go after ISIL and other extremist organizations overseas, even as we hit their leadership, even as we go after their infrastructure, even as we take key personnel off the field, even as we disrupt external plots -- that one of the biggest challenges we are going to have is this kind of propaganda and perversions of Islam that you see generated on the Internet, and the capacity for that to seep into the minds of troubled individuals or weak individuals, and seeing them motivated then to take actions against people here in the United States and elsewhere in the world that are tragic. And so countering this extremist ideology is increasingly going to be just as important as making sure that we are disrupting more extensive plots engineered from the outside.
    That's a confusing statement. It seems more to me that he is concerned mostly about countering internet propaganda from ISIS that reaches weak and temperamental conservative-minded Muslims. Like I've said multiple times now, ISIS is only one part of the equation. No one can even get past that one, though, so it doesn't surprise me everyone wants to conflate the two at every turn.

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    Yeah I personally don't care about the 3 magic words as if it's "bippidy boppidy boo" that's going to suddenly weaken isis.

    I'm just saying that's what trumps beef is regarding the "something else going on"... The culture where the president tries to tip toe around words out of fear of possibly offending people.

    I also agree that it's pretty lame to nitpick between calling it a perversion instead of radical. Which is why it's so odd that Barry is playing around it so hard as though he's lost a bet and isn't allowed to utter the words. The wording is such an irrelevant issue that has blown up to a giant game of chicken that's distracting from the real issue

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