Warriors: Still think these GSW could take the Bulls, Lakers of past?

[Killakobe81]

Another thing to keep i n mind is missed 3's lead to fast breaks ...
And state is not a great rebounding team and Celts and Lakers of the 80's were devastating transition teams. And much better than state in the half-court too.

Amb I think the showtime Lakers teams would adjust they did defend hot players out to the 3 point line when they garnered that type of respect watch them defend Bird and Isiah in the mid 80's ... they did not stop either but they did defend them .. LOL

[JamStone]

Outside of Coop, the Lakers didn't defend. What good is allowing hand checking when the defenders don't hand check. Golden State is similarly well adept to play an uptempo transition game and because the Showtime Lakers played in an era that did not stretch their defenses out to hotly contest three point shooting, Warriors would get a lot of open three point looks. Golden State also has the depth and versatility to match-up against the Lakers. Love or hate Draymond, he's a great defensive match-up for either Magic or Worthy. 6'8 match-up nightmare Magic Johnson? Warriors have 4 or 5 guys that match up well defensively on him in Draymond, Iguodala, Livingston, Thompson. It's not like Magic was 6'8 with LeBron type athleticism and quickness. Kareem? Warriors have 24 fouls with Bogut, Ezeli, Varejao, Speights.

Showtime Lakers didn't play enough defense or the type of defense to effectively guard this Warriors team. Warriors would get a ton of open three pointers. They'd run in transition just as well as the Lakers. They'd run them off the court.

The Showtime Lakers were great for their time in great part because of the appeal of their style of play. And it doesn't mean they weren't great teams. They don't match up well against the Warriors.

[Killakobe81]

Outside of Coop, the Lakers didn't defend. What good is allowing hand checking when the defenders don't hand check. Golden State is similarly well adept to play an uptempo transition game and because the Showtime Lakers played in an era that did not stretch their defenses out to hotly contest three point shooting, Warriors would get a lot of open three point looks. Golden State also has the depth and versatility to match-up against the Lakers. Love or hate Draymond, he's a great defensive match-up for either Magic or Worthy. 6'8 match-up nightmare Magic Johnson? Warriors have 4 or 5 guys that match up well defensively on him in Draymond, Iguodala, Livingston, Thompson. It's not like Magic was 6'8 with LeBron type athleticism and quickness. Kareem? Warriors have 24 fouls with Bogut, Ezeli, Varejao, Speights.

Showtime Lakers didn't play enough defense or the type of defense to effectively guard this Warriors team. Warriors would get a ton of open three pointers. They'd run in transition just as well as the Lakers. They'd run them off the court.

The Showtime Lakers were great for their time in great part because of the appeal of their style of play. And it doesn't mean they weren't great teams. They don't match up well against the Warriors.

To say none of them played defense outside of Coop is false. Jam, i dont remember how old you are but to say those Lakers never played defense is not true. not a defensive first team by any means but to say they played no defense is untrue. I am not even arguing that State would not win ...I am just disagreeing on the run off the court part ...

[lebomb]

Outside of Coop, the Lakers didn't defend. What good is allowing hand checking when the defenders don't hand check. Golden State is similarly well adept to play an uptempo transition game and because the Showtime Lakers played in an era that did not stretch their defenses out to hotly contest three point shooting, Warriors would get a lot of open three point looks. Golden State also has the depth and versatility to match-up against the Lakers. Love or hate Draymond, he's a great defensive match-up for either Magic or Worthy. 6'8 match-up nightmare Magic Johnson? Warriors have 4 or 5 guys that match up well defensively on him in Draymond, Iguodala, Livingston, Thompson. It's not like Magic was 6'8 with LeBron type athleticism and quickness. Kareem? Warriors have 24 fouls with Bogut, Ezeli, Varejao, Speights.

Showtime Lakers didn't play enough defense or the type of defense to effectively guard this Warriors team. Warriors would get a ton of open three pointers. They'd run in transition just as well as the Lakers. They'd run them off the court.

The Showtime Lakers were great for their time in great part because of the appeal of their style of play. And it doesn't mean they weren't great teams. They don't match up well against the Warriors.

I'm watching these playoff just like everyone else, and this GSW team doesn't look anywhere near invincible like a lot of y'all are claiming they are. I think there are a few former championship teams that can beat the 15/16 GSW in a 7 game series. Unless, you are somehow seeing something different than I am.

Bottom line, if GSW arent shooting lights out from the 3, a lot of former teams can beat them. GSW have not been lighting it up like mad in the playoffs either. They have had a game or two lights out, the rest have been OK at best. So that brings the 3 vs 2 point shot issue back to even in my book.

[Ghazi]

Golden State is 15-7 in the playoffs with 3 losses by 24+ points.

This has not been a great playoff run for a historic team.

[Killakobe81]

Jam is also missing the point that Kerr can barely afford to leave in Fezeli/Verejao for a small number of minutes against Tristan Freaking Thompson much less against Kareem and Klay's dad. What is the good of using those fouls when the lakers bigs can actually hit Ft's and State has at times been missing their 3's except in flurries? Bogut is ty on offense and only offers rim protection. sure Draymond is a truly great defender but if prime Rodman could not defend Worthy on the block what shot does Draymond have? Iggy is nice with that slap down but defending Lebron on the block is much easier than Defending Worthy (skills wise)

Again I am not saying state might not win ... I just disagree on the running off the floor.
Not sure what age you were in 1987 but I was old enough to watch that team no freaking way does this state team run them off the floor.

And if we want to get scientific I think a computer simulation I saw on ESPN claims state wins 55% of the time when they ran the matchup. With the most likely out come was Golden state in 7 (IIRC). That hardly screams blow-out or ran off the floor.

But when you talk fantasy hypotheticals

[Killakobe81]

Golden State is 15-7 in the playoffs with 3 losses by 24+ points.

This has not been a great playoff run for a historic team.

Not only that G,
But in almost every game they have lost rebounding and turnovers have been costly.
You cannot turn the ball over versus really great teams like the 1987 Lakers, 1986 Celts , 1992 Bulls and not expect them to get whupped. I would also question their ability to beat 2005 Spurs or 2012 Heat the way they are playing right now.

State has been giving up much of their 3 for 2 advantages by turning over the ball, missing FT's and some wasted possesions. This is not the same team that blitzed the regular season ...maybe Steph is hurt but he is playing so no excuses.

[ambchang]

Another thing to keep i n mind is missed 3's lead to fast breaks ...
And state is not a great rebounding team and Celts and Lakers of the 80's were devastating transition teams. And much better than state in the half-court too.

Amb I think the showtime Lakers teams would adjust they did defend hot players out to the 3 point line when they garnered that type of respect watch them defend Bird and Isiah in the mid 80's ... they did not stop either but they did defend them .. LOL

I actually think the teams didn't play out to the three point line due to training and stamina issues. It was common in the 80s for superstars to play 35 to 38 minutes a night, but that is actually quite rare these days. The fact is that teams were playing in a much smaller area, both on offense and defense, in the 80s, and pretty much run their offenses from 20 feet out, where as teams today initiate their offense, and often times finish their offense, a few feet beyond the 3 point line. You are talking a much larger area that requires a lot of activities.

It is unreasonable for us to expect, Magic, Bird and Worthy to play their customary 37 minutes a game and have the same productivity, they would simply be exhausted.

Add to that the additional spacing that is available, and I think GSW will rain open shots the entire series. If the 80s Lakers and Celtics had trouble stopping the other teams from scoring 110 points a game defending a 20-foot radius semi-circle, they have no chance doing that to a team that is used to operating in a 25-foot radius semi-circle. The Warriors will average 130 points against them pretty easily.

[Killakobe81]

I actually think the teams didn't play out to the three point line due to training and stamina issues. It was common in the 80s for superstars to play 35 to 38 minutes a night, but that is actually quite rare these days. The fact is that teams were playing in a much smaller area, both on offense and defense, in the 80s, and pretty much run their offenses from 20 feet out, where as teams today initiate their offense, and often times finish their offense, a few feet beyond the 3 point line. You are talking a much larger area that requires a lot of activities.

It is unreasonable for us to expect, Magic, Bird and Worthy to play their customary 37 minutes a game and have the same productivity, they would simply be exhausted.

Add to that the additional spacing that is available, and I think GSW will rain open shots the entire series. If the 80s Lakers and Celtics had trouble stopping the other teams from scoring 110 points a game defending a 20-foot radius semi-circle, they have no chance doing that to a team that is used to operating in a 25-foot radius semi-circle. The Warriors will average 130 points against them pretty easily.

how much would they give up tp the most efficient NBA offense in history?
Again like I said maybe in a series State wins 4-2 or 4-3 but the run off the court to me, is bull .
What are you calling Amb 130-120?
Are you saying The lakers cant score at least 120 against a team that plays small, and when they play big the quality is Bogut/Verjao/Speighst Fezeli?! The same bigs doiminated by Kanter/Ibaka/Adams? That frontline?
Wouldnt Kareem, worthy Magic and Klay's dad dont get whatever they want inside?

[JamStone]

Killa, I'm 41. I know, it's ancient especially for message boards. I grew up during the 1980s NBA. Very much in tune with and familiar with all of the great 80s teams.

[ambchang]

how much would they give up tp the most efficient NBA offense in history?
Again like I said maybe in a series State wins 4-2 or 4-3 but the run off the court to me, is bull .
What are you calling Amb 130-120?
Are you saying The lakers cant score at least 120 against a team that plays small, and when they play big the quality is Bogut/Verjao/Speighst Fezeli?! The same bigs doiminated by Kanter/Ibaka/Adams? That frontline?
Wouldnt Kareem, worthy Magic and Klay's dad dont get whatever they want inside?

Yeah, I agree with you about the running off the court part, because I can see the Lakers scoring in the mid 110s to 120s a game, as I can't see anyone being able to guard Worthy or Kareem, but the Warriors do have people to put on Magic, which would put a damper on the lakers offense. I think overall the Warriors would win the series in 5, but the scores would be something like 138-118 or 132-127, I can't see either team stopping the other, but the 3 pointers will be the difference.

[Killakobe81]

Killa, I'm 41. I know, it's ancient especially for message boards. I grew up during the 1980s NBA. Very much in tune with and familiar with all of the great 80s teams.

Ha we are about the same age ...
But Like I said I just dont agree with the run off the court part.
Amb is right Magic would be easier for state to defend but I dont see how the Lakers/Celts/Pistons frontlines dont all over State's.
Yes in the backcourt not sure even isiah and dumars could defend the splash brothers when healthy ...but I think we all know steph aint healthy.

If we are talking about THIS team the one struggling to put away the Cavs, that just lost their best big not named Green I absolutely do NOT see any blowouts or running off the courts of any of the 3 teams i mentioned.

[ambchang]

One thing I forgot to add though is the mental toughness. I am not sure how the Warriors will respond to some iffy play like a McHale clothesline or a Rambis elbow to the back. GSW dish it but they can't take it, and they got away with lots throughout the year. Against, the Lakers or Celtics, I doubt they get away with as much as they did.

That's why I think the Pistons will probably beat the GSW in a 7 game series. Thomas isn't much of a defender, but Dumars can put the clamps on Curry, and Rodman can cover Thomson quite well. Salley can take Green, but that leaves Thomas in no man's land. Laimbeer, Rodman, Salley, et all will probably smash Green's head in after the first quarter.

[Stalin]

The Golden Showers are only relevant in today's soft low talent ref dependent NBA, and would get their pushed in by most great teams of other eras.

[lebomb]

The Golden Showers are only relevant in today's soft low talent ref dependent NBA, and would get their pushed in by most great teams of other eras.

...........and GSW have to be on fire from the 3. Game 5 shows what happens when they aren't.

[Killakobe81]

Yep this,team is destroying the Showtime Lakers and 86 Celts in fact, they will run them off the court.

[spursistan]

Yep this,team is destroying the Showtime Lakers and 86 Celts in fact, they will run them off the court.

they have been lowkey average throughout the entire playoffs..even the Blazers could have taken them to 7 games..

[lefty]

Jam is also missing the point that Kerr can barely afford to leave in Fezeli/Verejao for a small number of minutes against Tristan Freaking Thompson much less against Kareem and Klay's dad. What is the good of using those fouls when the lakers bigs can actually hit Ft's and State has at times been missing their 3's except in flurries? Bogut is ty on offense and only offers rim protection. sure Draymond is a truly great defender but if prime Rodman could not defend Worthy on the block what shot does Draymond have? Iggy is nice with that slap down but defending Lebron on the block is much easier than Defending Worthy (skills wise)

Again I am not saying state might not win ... I just disagree on the running off the floor.
Not sure what age you were in 1987 but I was old enough to watch that team no freaking way does this state team run them off the floor.

And if we want to get scientific I think a computer simulation I saw on ESPN claims state wins 55% of the time when they ran the matchup. With the most likely out come was Golden state in 7 (IIRC). That hardly screams blow-out or ran off the floor.

But when you talk fantasy hypotheticals

Agreed

[lefty]

The Golden Showers are only relevant in today's soft low talent ref dependent NBA, and would get their pushed in by most great teams of other eras.

[ViceCity86]

Golden State is 15-7 in the playoffs with 3 losses by 24+ points.

This has not been a great playoff run for a historic team.

Look a lot like 1992 Bulls, even worse.

[resistanze]

LeBron is probably the single most impactful player in NBA history, tbh

[Killakobe81]

LeBron is probably the single most impactful player in NBA history, tbh

Probably definitely the most naturally gifted

[Killakobe81]

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