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    dude sucks

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    Ibaka is going to be the only rim protector in the market next summer, dude is going to get the max so there is no way PATFO can acquire him w/o moving Porker which isn't going to happen.
    Cap is suppose to go up again to 108 million next summer.

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    Ibaka is going to be the only rim protector in the market next summer, dude is going to get the max so there is no way PATFO can acquire him w/o moving Porker which isn't going to happen.
    While spending will be extreme, I don't think anyone would give a 40 year old Ibaka a 4/130 contract in 2017.

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    While spending will be extreme, I don't think anyone would give a 40 year old Ibaka a 4/130 contract in 2017.
    He hasn't been in the league for 10 years to get the "super" max but he's going to have teams worshipping at his alter as long as he doesn't fall off the cliff or get injured. He's probably going to ride the moment from the WCF & have himself a contract season.

    FYI: Chris Bosh got 120 mill under the old CBA after proving that he was nothing more than a 3rd banana on a championship team.

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    He hasn't been in the league for 10 years to get the "super" max but he's going to have teams worshipping at his alter as long as he doesn't fall off the cliff or get injured. He's probably going to ride the moment from the WCF & have himself a contract season.

    FYI: Chris Bosh got 120 mill under the old CBA after proving that he was nothing more than a 3rd banana on a championship team.
    4/130 isn't super max on a projected $108 mil cap and Chris Bosh is a significantly better player than Ibaka, bar the health issues.

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    From the limited video I've seen of Bertans and glancing over his recent stats, he doesn't look like an NBA player. A min offer is as low risk as you can get, other than an unguaranteed contract so can't criticize this move too much.

    Spurs do need more 3 point shooters and Bertans can fill that role cheaply off the bench. But right now he kind reminds me of Austin Daye. Still, Bertans is young and has room to be developed. If he sticks with the catch and shoot role and works on his fundamentals, he can turn into an NBA player. Pop will probably quickly stamp out his habit of forcing bad shots.

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    From the limited video I've seen of Bertans and glancing over his recent stats, he doesn't look like an NBA player. A min offer is as low risk as you can get, other than an unguaranteed contract so can't criticize this move too much.

    Spurs do need more 3 point shooters and Bertans can fill that role cheaply off the bench. But right now he kind reminds me of Austin Daye. Still, Bertans is young and has room to be developed. If he sticks with the catch and shoot role and works on his fundamentals, he can turn into an NBA player. Pop will probably quickly stamp out his habit of forcing bad shots.
    Bertans feels like a more athletic Bonner

    Nobody puts Bertans in the corner

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    Bertans feels like a more athletic Bonner
    ing Nathan Lane is more athletic than Bonner.

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    ing Nathan Lane is more athletic than Bonner.
    I've heard he can shoot too, they don't call him the producer for nothing.

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    Bertans feels like a more athletic Bonner

    Nobody puts Bertans in the corner
    Think more a tall Kyle Korver. This Matt Bonner comparisons I dont understand them. Is it because hes tall and white? Hes more athletic, a purer shooter, moves well defensively.

    The kid has potential if he wants to reach it of being very very good.

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    Think more a tall Kyle Korver. This Matt Bonner comparisons I dont understand them. Is it because hes tall and white? Hes more athletic, a purer shooter, moves well defensively.

    The kid has potential if he wants to reach it of being very very good.
    Regardless of what he was b4 he will have to increase his versatility in the system.

    I think whether Bertans likes it or not he will be a combo forward, look at Anderson. It doesn't matter that we think he was too slim to handle it. His career depends on him guarding several positions and switches. That's just the trend in the league right now.

    Thus, Bertans will be asked to play both spots I am sure of it. He can be better than Matt Bonner if he can handle switches, etc. Which Matt can't.

    It's possible he's played more as a 3 to start, but that really limits him. Even the wings play both spots, and Kyle plays both forward spots (and the guard spots too).

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    Think more a tall Kyle Korver. This Matt Bonner comparisons I dont understand them. Is it because hes tall and white? Hes more athletic, a purer shooter, moves well defensively.

    The kid has potential if he wants to reach it of being very very good.
    I'm hoping he'll end up being a Kyle Korver kind of shooter. I think a lot of the Bonner comparisons have to do with height and him being white but also what the Spurs will initially do with him in the lineup. I don't see a lot of screens for Bertans early on but more pick and pop kind of shots ala Bonner..

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    I'm hoping he'll end up being a Kyle Korver kind of shooter. I think a lot of the Bonner comparisons have to do with height and him being white but also what the Spurs will initially do with him in the lineup. I don't see a lot of screens for Bertans early on but more pick and pop kind of shots ala Bonner..
    It's just how they are played in the system for me and their skill set. Same way Simmons was compared to Ginobili and Kyle to Diaw. Obviously not copycats, but one has to think in the Spurs system....

    Wasn't one of your jokes something like:
    I have to break them down and make them fit my system.

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    $4M/3 is the highest I would go. That's still about twice as much as he's getting paid now (a little over $700k a season). The only way he gets a two-year deal worth over the min is if he slots into the LLE.

    I will say, though, that looking at his salary makes me thing he wouldn't (and really shouldn't) accept a min deal. I didn't know he was already making a good deal more than that, and that doesn't even account for a lot of salaries for European players being tax free. I can actually understand why a one-year min deal would be on the table, as Davis would want to get better money ASAP.

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    2 year deals suck, hopefully they'll work out something else.

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    2 year deals suck, hopefully they'll work out something else.
    Yeah are much better than one-year deals. For guys you bring into the league, they aren't bad. For vets, especially those who still have upside, they are pretty silly.

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    Think more a tall Kyle Korver. This Matt Bonner comparisons I dont understand them. Is it because hes tall and white? Hes more athletic, a purer shooter, moves well defensively.

    The kid has potential if he wants to reach it of being very very good.

    Besides being a deadly 3P shooter, Korver is a damn bulldog on defense. He gets under peoples' skin, and into their heads. I think he borders on dirty play, but he's one of those guys you hate if he's on the other team, but not so much if he's on yours. I've watched him play, and I wouldn't make that comparison, personally. I hope I'm wrong and you're right. If Bertans is a tall Kyle Korver, a min contract is highway robbery.

    Am I the only one who notices that nobody ever compares him to any black guys?

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    Besides being a deadly 3P shooter, Korver is a damn bulldog on defense. He gets under peoples' skin, and into their heads. I think he borders on dirty play, but he's one of those guys you hate if he's on the other team, but not so much if he's on yours. I've watched him play, and I wouldn't make that comparison, personally. I hope I'm wrong and you're right. If Bertans is a tall Kyle Korver, a min contract is highway robbery.

    Am I the only one who notices that nobody ever compares him to any black guys?
    his offensive game is pretty much Kyle Korver but much more athletic.
    Why compare with a black guy?

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    his offensive game is pretty much Kyle Korver but much more athletic.
    Why compare with a black guy?

    LOL - I was just laughing about the fact that he's either Bonner or Korver. I'm sure it's just coincidence that they're white.

    Korver's D is no small thing. That, plus the fact that he's hard-nosed, and a lot more compe ive than Bonner ever was. Bonner was a great 3P shooter, but if I had to choose one to take a shot in a big game situation? I'd take Korver every time. In fact, as much as I dislike Korver, I've wished many times that he was on the Spurs roster.

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    LOL - I was just laughing about the fact that he's either Bonner or Korver. I'm sure it's just coincidence that they're white.

    Korver's D is no small thing. That, plus the fact that he's hard-nosed, and a lot more compe ive than Bonner ever was. Bonner was a great 3P shooter, but if I had to choose one to take a shot in a big game situation? I'd take Korver every time. In fact, as much as I dislike Korver, I've wished many times that he was on the Spurs roster.
    I've never seen Bonner hit a big shot...

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    Well Spurs followed objective and Chinook
    Two years is at least much better than the one year minimum deal.






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    Well Spurs followed objective and Chinook
    Two years is at least much better than the one year minimum deal.





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    I've never seen Bonner hit a big shot...
    And Bonner passes up a lot of open shots in big games.

    I don't think I've seen Bertans cower yet.

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    Two years is at least much better than the one year minimum deal.





    I'd rather more years.

    Seems like a larger buyout than I would expect. Usually they decline year over year, and have been done with coordination with the Spurs to help them out I thought.

    Especially considering Bertans was supposedly really wanted to come over last summer, he couldn't have afforded it.

    What can the team contribute nowadays, 500k?

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