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    but then there are only 2 elite teams in SA but still other Copa america is somehow more compe ive when you have 5/6 elite teams in Europe ? wtf tbh
    2 out of 10 is 20% of elitness.

    5 out of 50 is 10% of elitness

    Tbh

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    2 out of 10 is 20% of elitness.

    5 out of 50 is 10% of elitness

    Tbh
    son you know you are my , but have you taken statistics in college you could easily see the failure here.
    Facts:
    1) europe has more contenders
    2) europe has a lot of tight/surprise games, where one mistake will lose you the match
    3) even with a 24 team euro the netherlands (3rd place in 2014) didn't qualify
    4) all euro teams play with their best possible rosters, you don't get to say "I beat brazil at the copa america.. their 3rd team".

    Deductions:
    A) from 1) and 2) europe is indeed stacked with contenders but the rest of the teams aren't there for nothing, as they bring a lot compe ions, many teams are really strong 2nd tiers (croatia, belgium, england, swiss, poland, etc) or very strong 3rd tiers (ireland, portugal, russia, ukraine etc)
    B) from 3) and 2) a team can't partially implode and then qualify like in SA for example, see netherlands (and many other examples)
    C) from 3) and 2) europe has by far the largest variety of playing styles so it's harder to win something as contenders see different types of defenses and strategies. If a contender doesn't adjust they lose points/don't qualify.
    D) from 4) and 3) there are no excuses

    Conclusions:
    Even if the small euro eliteness at the top is clear that eliteness has to work their ass off to remain elite as each tier of compe ion pushes the tier atop even harder (the strong 2nd tiers are really a pain in the ass tbh). All european teams are organized, teams don't get constant free meals (haiti, jamaica ) but have to work 24/7 to get something. The 5 euro microstates are pointless, but they are just 5/50, they aren't 25/50. Due to this constant attrition teams are forced to innovate tactically.

    What you need to understand brother is that a high level of compe ion doesn't imply many goals and spectacular football, it mostly implies teams feeling the risk and attacking cautiously. This isn't even a football related analysis, in any game (market economics, politics, poker etc) when the stakes are high and compe ion is stiff players/teams don't go all in but cautiously and slowly build their position. Sometimes they take quick calculated risks but overall they try to play a solid positional game. This is exactly what you saw at the last world cup with few goals (except bra7il who were punished for monkey tactics) and lots of drama, where your argentina had its best result since maradona by playing some solid D. Or look how the USA can compete with a roster, it's not because of talent or luck or refs, it's because klinsmann isn't a dumbass like dunga/mexico coach/maradona/etc. That's why I find the euro more interesting, because it's not a still evolving "spectacular" compe ion with half rosters, poor defenses and bad coaches, it's a finished product with mature teams.

    Take it from a german son: boring rigorous football is good football, capitalize on your chances and don't let the other team have them. That's how winners play.
    Also, I'd bet my house that a weaker 3rd tier euro team like finland/hungary/romania/slovenia/iceland/belarus/slovakia/russia wouldn't finish last in south america because they are tactically superior and would frustrate no-defense american teams into mistakes.

    That being said it's fun to watch the copa tbh:
    s going all-in all the time
    coaches "innovating" like the mexican coach
    goalkeepers not giving any s for positioning
    teams tracking back with only the defensive line

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    The did you get those numbers? Europe has like double the number of habitants South America has.

    And that's not even the most important thing. The important thing here ia that we are 10 countries. You are 50. That's a 5 to 1 ratio!

    If Brazil was divided into 3 countries I'm sure SA would have 2 more elite nations, tbh.

    The WC count should be something close to that 5 to 1 ratio, tbh. Specially since you pretend to be so much better at it.
    smh

    only Wester countries won a WC, if you want to compare you add latin and north america. South America compares itself with Western Europa not Europa. Would not make sense

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    Personally I like the difference in styles.

    Its a matter of personal preference. Teams like Northern Ireland in the Euros just totally go 11 in the box and then hope for a set piece to score when they know they are outmanned. They practice this defense and play it extraordinarly well. The opposition hates it because this style is very difficult to look good against. And it's difficult to beat. Their fans appreciate them trying to win or just get through. ts the only chance they have. The SA style is more go down playing the full field but go down "honorably". And win with style, not a war of attrition. Bolivia was just getting embarrassed every game. Their tuneup against the US showed me they were gonna get trounced on the field AND scoreboard. So Bolivia going dormant in the 2nd half when they had not before was a bow to the European underdog teams. Or, disgraceful. Your choice.

    You see somewhat the same thing in La Liga. Barcelona or Real M get booed off the field if they go Athletico Madrid tactics. Expectations are a . And then in the EPL you see teams that are expected by their fans NOT to play open football and try to get a draw against bigger opponents.

    Its all good for me as long as you see and admit the at udes.
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    I don't know who to root for tonight tbh.

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    smh

    only Wester countries won a WC, if you want to compare you add latin and north america. South America compares itself with Western Europa not Europa. Would not make sense
    Now you are just picking the countries you want? OK.

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    Every time I predict against the US of Gay, they've won so far this tournament.

    Not saying who I'm predicting, y'all know who I'm rooting for tho

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    son you know you are my , but have you taken statistics in college you could easily see the failure here.
    Facts:
    1) europe has more contenders
    I already tackled this. If you have a 5 to 1 ratio advantage, is only logical to have more contenders too.

    2) europe has a lot of tight/surprise games, where one mistake will lose you the match
    And South America doesn't? Every ing team is compe ive here. There are no Macedonias, Faroe Islands, San Marinos, etc, here son. We don't get those semi amateur games you get pretty often on European qualifiers, tbh.

    3) even with a 24 team euro the netherlands (3rd place in 2014) didn't qualify
    That speaks more about The Netherlands than anything else. When there's teams like Albania, Hungary or Austria and you didn't make it, you are the one in fault. You qualified to the WC out of 16, and you don't qualified to the Euros out of 24? You obviously regressed and don't deserved to be rated by anybody.

    4) all euro teams play with their best possible rosters, you don't get to say "I beat brazil at the copa america.. their 3rd team".
    Brazil didn't send its 3rd team, tbh. It send its A team minus Neymar (And Douglas Costa who is injured). And the only reason for it is 'cause Barcelona made them choose between the CA and the Olympics. And Brazil preferred the Olympics 'cause they have never won it and its on their home soil.

    Teams used to send lesser teams in some of the previous events 'cause the Copa America was played every 2 years. Now that is played every 4 years (except this special edition), everybody gives the tournament the importance it deserves: which is as important as any other confederation's cup (the Euro for you, the Copa de Oro for the CONCACAF teams, the African cup for the Africans, etc.). It's the second best tle you can win at the National team level.

    Deductions:
    A) from 1) and 2) europe is indeed stacked with contenders but the rest of the teams aren't there for nothing, as they bring a lot compe ions, many teams are really strong 2nd tiers (croatia, belgium, england, swiss, poland, etc) or very strong 3rd tiers (ireland, portugal, russia, ukraine etc)
    Same happens with South America. Or do you really think a team like Poland is better than Ecuador?

    B) from 3) and 2) a team can't partially implode and then qualify like in SA for example, see netherlands (and many other examples)
    That's 'cause your qualifing system isn't as fair as the CONMEBOL one. CONMEBOL qualifiers are like a mini-league. 10 teams playing each other home and away. Only the true best teams qualify. There's no flukey going on.

    C) from 3) and 2) europe has by far the largest variety of playing styles so it's harder to win something as contenders see different types of defenses and strategies. If a contender doesn't adjust they lose points/don't qualify.
    That's just not true. You just have to take a peak at the Euro and CA to contrast and see that's just not true. In the Euros everyteam plays a variation of 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2. In CA, besides those formations, you have Mexico playing with 3 on the back, Bolivia playing 5-4-1, the typical Brazilian 4-2-2-2, Uruguay played 4-3-1-2 at some point.

    And it's not even that. It's the styles too: In the Euro every game seems the same, tbh. Two generic teams with one of those default formations (4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2) playing an intenseless, inventiveless match. Where they just take turns watching the opponent's centre backs harmelessly pass the ball to each other untill they decide to hit a long ball and lose position.

    Every Euro game, so far, has looked the same: a boring, no tension-having game between teams full of generic, robotic, no flair-having players.

    D) from 4) and 3) there are no excuses
    I already explained this.

    Conclusions:
    Even if the small euro eliteness at the top is clear that eliteness has to work their ass off to remain elite as each tier of compe ion pushes the tier atop even harder (the strong 2nd tiers are really a pain in the ass tbh). All european teams are organized, teams don't get constant free meals (haiti, jamaica ) but have to work 24/7 to get something. The 5 euro microstates are pointless, but they are just 5/50, they aren't 25/50. Due to this constant attrition teams are forced to innovate tactically.
    I already explained this too.

    What you need to understand brother is that a high level of compe ion doesn't imply many goals and spectacular football, it mostly implies teams feeling the risk and attacking cautiously.This isn't even a football related analysis, in any game (market economics, politics, poker etc) when the stakes are high and compe ion is stiff players/teams don't go all in but cautiously and slowly build their position. Sometimes they take quick calculated risks but overall they try to play a solid positional game. This is exactly what you saw at the last world cup with few goals (except bra7il who were punished for monkey tactics) and lots of drama, where your argentina had its best result since maradona by playing some solid D. Or look how the USA can compete with a roster, it's not because of talent or luck or refs, it's because klinsmann isn't a dumbass like dunga/mexico coach/maradona/etc.
    I never said this, tbh. Trust me, as one of the biggest EPL critics here, I know about this.

    Games being boring as doesn't necessarily mean high level of compe ion either, tbh.

    That's why I find the euro more interesting, because it's not a still evolving "spectacular" compe ion with half rosters, poor defenses and bad coaches, it's a finished product with mature teams.
    You find the Euro more interesting 'cause you are European son. Period. It's the same reason why I find the CA more interesting and lefty finds suicide bomb-attacks interesting, tbh.

    And that about Euro being a more "evolved, mature and finished product" is just pure European self-centered elitism, tbh.

    Take it from a german son: boring rigorous football is good football, capitalize on your chances and don't let the other team have them. That's how winners play.
    That's not how you won us the last WC, tbh. You sent people forward and you were left in bad defensive positions many times (that's why Neuer made a name for himself with his sweeping abilities). But at the end your offensive, creative approach ended up playing in your favour. Just like it did for Spain in 2010. And how it does for teams like Barca, Madrid and Bayern in club play. More and more you have to display an offensive audacity to win games on today's football, tbh.

    Also, I'd bet my house that a weaker 3rd tier euro team like finland/hungary/romania/slovenia/iceland/belarus/slovakia/russia wouldn't finish last in south america because they are tactically superior and would frustrate no-defense american teams into mistakes.
    Those teams might (huuuuge might, tbh) end above Bolivia or Venezuela on a SA qualifier. They have no chance of finishing above any other team. And even finishing above those teams I metioned is highly doubtful because, for example, none of those teams you mentioned would have the home court adavantage Bolivia has, tbh.


    Dude I have no problem admitting that Europe has 5 or 6 of the World's 7 or 8 elite NTs. I have no problem admitting that an European team winning a WC is more likely than a WC being won by a team form any toher continent. I have no problem admitting many things, that are actual facts.

    My problem comes when folks start making re ed comments like "the euros are harder than the WC", or when they act like their lower tier teams are better than the lower tier teams from other confederations.

    dumb s would be like: "we couldn't beat Slovakia, but that's OK 'cause Slovakia is an organized, compe ive team form Europe, the WC will be easier because we will be facing disorganized banana eater teams like Costa Rica." and then, they proceed to get anally ed by said team.

    That kind of thinking just shows an enormous amount of ignorance son. Don't fall in that.
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    Now you are just picking the countries you want? OK.
    you are the one picking countries not me...and with the "Europe should be ashamed the number of WC is this close"

    If you want just picking South America you compare with Western Europe, if you want to compare with all Europe including Russia you compare with all America from Canada to Argentina which is basically Euro Cup members vs Copa America members...

    Your argument about Brazil divided in 3 would give 3 elite teams works both way... Eastern Europe has example of countries that imploded in small countries leading them to be irrelevant see Yugoslavia.

    At the end European continent has more WC than American continent and Western Europe more than South America... that's a fact and there is no valid argument to spin dat . you take the loss and move on

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    you are the one picking countries not me...and with the "Europe should be ashamed the number of WC is this close"

    If you want just picking South America you compare with Western Europe, if you want to compare with all Europe including Russia you compare with all America from Canada to Argentina which is basically Euro Cup members vs Copa America members...
    I'm comparing CONMEBOL teams to UEFA teams, unlike you, I'm not doing any re ed cherry picking, tbh.

    Your argument about Brazil divided in 3 would give 3 elite teams works both way... Eastern Europe has example of countries that imploded in small countries leading them to be irrelevant see Yugoslavia.
    Yugoslavia was never in the same stratosphere as Brazil, tbh. You really don't think Brazil could have created 2 or 3 more elite teams if they had divided?

    At the end European continent has more WC than American continent and Western Europe more than South America... that's a fact and there is no valid argument to spin dat . you take the loss and move on
    What loss? When did I ever argue that? Are you OK?

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    I already tackled this. If you have a 5 to 1 ratio advantage, is only logical to have more contenders too.



    And South America doesn't? Every ing team is compe ive here. There are no Macedonias, Faroe Islands, San Marinos, etc, here son. We don't get those semi amateur games you get pretty often on European qualifiers, tbh.



    That speaks more about The Netherlands than anything else. When there's teams like Albania, Hungary or Austria and you didn't make it, you are the one in fault. You qualified to the WC out of 16, and you don't qualified to the Euros out of 24? You obviously regressed and don't deserved to be rated by anybody.



    Brazil didn't send its 3rd team, tbh. It send its A team minus Neymar (And Douglas Costa who is injured). And the only reason for it is 'cause Barcelona made them choose between the CA and the Olympics. And Brazil preferred the Olympics 'cause they have never won it and its on their home soil.

    Teams used to send lesser teams in some of the previous events 'cause the Copa America was played every 2 years. Now that is played every 4 years (except this special edition), everybody gives the tournament the importance it deserves: which is as important as any other confederation's cup (the Euro for you, the Copa de Oro for the CONCACAF teams, the African cup for the Africans, etc.). It's the second best tle you can win at the National team level.



    Same happens with South America. Or do you really think a team like Poland is better than Ecuador?



    That's 'cause your qualifing system isn't as fair as the CONMEBOL one. CONMEBOL qualifiers are like a mini-league. 10 teams playing each other home and away. Only the true best teams qualify. There's no flukey going on.



    That's just not true. You just have to take a peak at the Euro and CA to contrast and see that's just not true. In the Euros everyteam plays a variation of 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2. In CA, besides those formations, you have Mexico playing with 3 on the back, Bolivia playing 5-4-1, the typical Brazilian 4-2-2-2, Uruguay played 4-3-1-2 at some point.

    And it's not even that. It's the styles too: In the Euro every game seems the same, tbh. Two generic teams with one of those default formations (4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2) playing an intenseless, inventiveless match. Where they just take turns watching the opponent's centre backs harmelessly pass the ball to each other untill they decide to hit a long ball and lose position.

    Every Euro game, so far, has looked the same: a boring, no tension-having game between teams full of generic, robotic, no flair-having players.



    I already explained this.



    I already explained this too.



    I never said this, tbh. Trust me, as one of the biggest EPL critics here, I know about this.

    Games being boring as doesn't necessarily mean high level of compe ion either, tbh.



    You find the Euro more interesting 'cause you are European son. Period. It's the same reason why I find the CA more interesting and lefty finds suicide bomb-attacks interesting, tbh.

    And that about Euro being a more "evolved, mature and finished product" is just pure European self-centered elitism, tbh.



    That's not how you won us the last WC, tbh. You sent people forward and you were left in bad defensive positions many times (that's why Neuer made a name for himself with his sweeping abilities). But at the end your offensive, creative approach ended up playing in your favour. Just like it did for Spain in 2010. And how it does for teams like Barca, Madrid and Bayern in club play. More and more you have to display an offensive audacity to win games on today's football, tbh.



    Those teams might (huuuuge might, tbh) end above Bolivia or Venezuela on a SA qualifier. They have no chance of finishing above any other team. And even finishing above those teams I metioned is highly doubtful because, for example, none of those teams you mentioned would have the home court adavantage Bolivia has, tbh.


    Dude I have no problem admitting that Europe has 5 or 6 of the World's 7 or 8 elite NTs. I have no problem admitting that an European team winning a WC is more likely than a WC being won by a team form any toher continent. I have no problem admitting many things, that are actual facts.

    My problem comes when folks start making re ed comments like "the euros are harder than the WC", or when they act like their lower tier teams are better than the lower tier teams from other confederations.

    dumb s would be like: "we couldn't beat Slovakia, but that's OK 'cause Slovakia is an organized, compe ive team form Europe, the WC will be easier because we will be facing disorganized banana eater teams like Costa Rica." and then, they proceed to get anally ed by said team.

    That kind of thinking just shows an enormous amount of ignorance son. Don't fall in that.










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    GOD's work, tbh.

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    I already tackled this. If you have a 5 to 1 ratio advantage, is only logical to have more contenders too.



    And South America doesn't? Every ing team is compe ive here. There are no Macedonias, Faroe Islands, San Marinos, etc, here son. We don't get those semi amateur games you get pretty often on European qualifiers, tbh.



    That speaks more about The Netherlands than anything else. When there's teams like Albania, Hungary or Austria and you didn't make it, you are the one in fault. You qualified to the WC out of 16, and you don't qualified to the Euros out of 24? You obviously regressed and don't deserved to be rated by anybody.



    Brazil didn't send its 3rd team, tbh. It send its A team minus Neymar (And Douglas Costa who is injured). And the only reason for it is 'cause Barcelona made them choose between the CA and the Olympics. And Brazil preferred the Olympics 'cause they have never won it and its on their home soil.

    Teams used to send lesser teams in some of the previous events 'cause the Copa America was played every 2 years. Now that is played every 4 years (except this special edition), everybody gives the tournament the importance it deserves: which is as important as any other confederation's cup (the Euro for you, the Copa de Oro for the CONCACAF teams, the African cup for the Africans, etc.). It's the second best tle you can win at the National team level.



    Same happens with South America. Or do you really think a team like Poland is better than Ecuador?



    That's 'cause your qualifing system isn't as fair as the CONMEBOL one. CONMEBOL qualifiers are like a mini-league. 10 teams playing each other home and away. Only the true best teams qualify. There's no flukey going on.



    That's just not true. You just have to take a peak at the Euro and CA to contrast and see that's just not true. In the Euros everyteam plays a variation of 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2. In CA, besides those formations, you have Mexico playing with 3 on the back, Bolivia playing 5-4-1, the typical Brazilian 4-2-2-2, Uruguay played 4-3-1-2 at some point.

    And it's not even that. It's the styles too: In the Euro every game seems the same, tbh. Two generic teams with one of those default formations (4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2) playing an intenseless, inventiveless match. Where they just take turns watching the opponent's centre backs harmelessly pass the ball to each other untill they decide to hit a long ball and lose position.

    Every Euro game, so far, has looked the same: a boring, no tension-having game between teams full of generic, robotic, no flair-having players.



    I already explained this.



    I already explained this too.



    I never said this, tbh. Trust me, as one of the biggest EPL critics here, I know about this.

    Games being boring as doesn't necessarily mean high level of compe ion either, tbh.



    You find the Euro more interesting 'cause you are European son. Period. It's the same reason why I find the CA more interesting and lefty finds suicide bomb-attacks interesting, tbh.

    And that about Euro being a more "evolved, mature and finished product" is just pure European self-centered elitism, tbh.



    That's not how you won us the last WC, tbh. You sent people forward and you were left in bad defensive positions many times (that's why Neuer made a name for himself with his sweeping abilities). But at the end your offensive, creative approach ended up playing in your favour. Just like it did for Spain in 2010. And how it does for teams like Barca, Madrid and Bayern in club play. More and more you have to display an offensive audacity to win games on today's football, tbh.



    Those teams might (huuuuge might, tbh) end above Bolivia or Venezuela on a SA qualifier. They have no chance of finishing above any other team. And even finishing above those teams I metioned is highly doubtful because, for example, none of those teams you mentioned would have the home court adavantage Bolivia has, tbh.


    Dude I have no problem admitting that Europe has 5 or 6 of the World's 7 or 8 elite NTs. I have no problem admitting that an European team winning a WC is more likely than a WC being won by a team form any toher continent. I have no problem admitting many things, that are actual facts.

    My problem comes when folks start making re ed comments like "the euros are harder than the WC", or when they act like their lower tier teams are better than the lower tier teams from other confederations.

    dumb s would be like: "we couldn't beat Slovakia, but that's OK 'cause Slovakia is an organized, compe ive team form Europe, the WC will be easier because we will be facing disorganized banana eater teams like Costa Rica." and then, they proceed to get anally ed by said team.

    That kind of thinking just shows an enormous amount of ignorance son. Don't fall in that.
    son I like you tbh, quality poster. good arguments though I have some qualms:
    - spain won by defense (tiki-taka is defense tbh, if spain concedes they weren't great comeback scorers)
    - those defender-to-defender passes are just a form of pace control typical to the euro game. It's more of a flavor thing, i like it because it varies the pace. Other people dislike because it stalls the game.
    - germany won by not conceding and pressuring maybe we ventured a lot up front but we didn't concede. Neuer is indeed a piece of work
    - anybody saying the euros are harder than the wc should be castrated tbh
    - lol lefty
    - netherlands has no excuse to not qualify. If they'd be brought to play instead of a random nation they'd be among the contenders on talent alone. It doesn't mean they shouldn't be rated, it just means they imploded for some time and quickly recovered.
    I'm just saying that the euros are playing it safer than the south americans and that over many samples this tactic has a higher winning percentage even if it leads to tense but uneventful games.

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    I'm comparing CONMEBOL teams to UEFA teams, unlike you, I'm not doing any re ed cherry picking, tbh.
    why would you compare CONMEBALLS with UEFA ? CONMEBALLS don't organize anymore any international compe ion with only countries of conmeballs. Copa America is now played between countries from Canada to Argentina like Euro from England to Russia. your take about 5:1 ratio is pretty damn dumb

    Yugoslavia was never in the same stratosphere as Brazil, tbh. You really don't think Brazil could have created 2 or 3 more elite teams if they had divided?
    I never said it was in the same stratosphere, I'm just saying Yugoslavia was once close to be elite but since its implosion the ex Yugoslavian nations are too small to be relevant.

    For Brazil maybe maybe not, hard to say, now you could also argue that if Brazil was divided in 3 giving 3 countries of size of England you may have 3 WCs instead of 5 or instead of creating France, Spain and England you create Germany, Italy and Spain and you sit on 9 WCs instead of 5. Nevertheless taking account CBF incompetence in general I'd say pool of talents due to huge number of habitants compensate for lack of professionalism so in Brazil's case better one country than 3.

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    why would you compare CONMEBALLS with UEFA ? CONMEBALLS don't organize anymore any international compe ion with only countries of conmeballs. Copa America is now played between countries from Canada to Argentina like Euro from England to Russia. your take about 5:1 ratio is pretty damn dumb
    The does this have to do with what we were arguing about? This whole thing started with the WC count. The only teams to have ever won WCs are CONMEBOL and UEFA teams. Try to stay on topic son.

    I never said it was in the same stratosphere, I'm just saying Yugoslavia was once close to be elite but since its implosion the ex Yugoslavian nations are too small to be relevant.
    Brazilians not only were more than "close to elite". They are the daddys of all. And over the course of history they have had many stacked generations that could have probably created 2 or 3 elite teams per generation.

    For Brazil maybe maybe not, hard to say, now you could also argue that if Brazil was divided in 3 giving 3 countries of size of England you may have 3 WCs instead of 5 or instead of creating France, Spain and England you create Germany, Italy and Spain and you sit on 9 WCs instead of 5. Nevertheless taking account CBF incompetence in general I'd say pool of talents due to huge number of habitants compensate for lack of professionalism so in Brazil's case better one country than 3.
    Nah, if you combine all the European WC champions into one team UEFA wouldn't have 11 WC wins. For the simple fact that is, obviously, easier for a single upset to happen than 5 (the number of UEFA teams to win at least a WC). That's why is also more likely for an European team to win a WC. If Argentina and Brazil fail, that's it. If Germany and Italy fail, you still have Spain, France, etc. it's all in the strength of numbers, tbh.

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    - the fact that just conmebol and uefa won WCs don't make your argument more relevant... compare what is comparable, both are not.
    - Of course they had many stacked generations but for each generation there are only two / three World Cups.
    - Your reply has nothing to do with my point... in what universe brazil split in 3 gives more than 5 les ? thats basically your argument, quan y. in case of Brazil this does not make sense

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    USgAy can't even fill out their own stadiums

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    is Ecuador the most black SA country?

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    Good goal by gringos IMO.

    Ecuador bull ing when.they have clearly the better team.

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    is Ecuador the most black SA country?
    Na. Brazil is then Colombia. But them Ecuadorian s all they do is play ball while brown s are IT workers and bankers and .

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    bobby wood looks like the IT department helpdesk not a soccer player

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