It better not be Danny Green or I will be pissed. A lottery pick is definitely great value for Green but he's such a great piece for a winning team.
Obviously if SA feels there is a Kawhi situation then I get it but I will be devastated. Depending on the deal if Tim retires & Manu trading Danny would mean significant cap space.
Maybe it's something like lose Tim, lose Manu, trade Danny (and maybe Boris too) bring in 12th pick, 29th pick, Bertans and Horford with the cap space (and maybe someone like Burks from UTA as well).
I agree. That is ridiculous. Tony has to be on the market if Tim and Manu retire. That's the move that would get 12, and they would only do it if a guy they are really high on falls to them. Maybe that guy is not even there at 12.
I know Tony is not getting traded is the common wisdom, but without Tim and Manu they need to make a significant move to upgrade. That's just the reality.
I absolutely think Green could net #12 & maybe a player.
Seems as possible as any move. I didn't believe the pursuits for premier agents bc I assumed most of the same team would be back in classic Spurs off-season fashion. Although I believed Tim and Manu should retire and it wouldn't surprise me if they do, I came to believe lately that they were doing one last season.
If they do retire, wow. I think it does open up the whole world of possibilities in terms of trades they are willing to make and just rumors become real possibilities.
A move in the draft would net not only a talented young player to build upon what we already have, but would maybe shed some salary and we could definitely go after FA I didn't think was realistic. If the move is for Durant, Danny is traded. (I still think Durant stays in OKC but that's just personal belief). It really has to be on of Danny and Tony. We had issues with our backcourt scoring. It really depends too on who our trade partner is willing to give up the pick for. I don't think Tony is above the possibility of being traded. That's just Kawhi and Aldridge at this point.
At this point I don't care who they give to move up, just want them to pick up someone with promise. Tons of good talent in this draft, hope they take another risk that pays off.
So players don't get traded all the time with 1 year remaining? Philly is also interested in Jeff Teague, guess what- 1 year remaining. Philly has ditched the "process" and is actually attempting to improve.
Cashing in 1 of their three first rounds for an actual NBA player who is crazy underplayed, can shoot lights out (Mills would be by far the best shooter on the team) and has familiarity with the head coach sounds pretty believable. Philly cannot expect to draft 3 19' year olds on top of Saric (a draft and stash that is probably coming over) Embiid, Noel, and Okafor along with a bunch of former 2nd rounders, D leaguers and borderline NBA players and be compe ive.
Bad teams that have multiple/ expendable picks do this all the time; trade a pick for a vet to attempt to improve their team. The Nets trade the 3rd pick in the draft for Gerald Wallace, Memphis moved a lottery pick for Shane Battier, Indiana move the 15th pick for George Hill.
Philly has never been good at getting FAs to play with them and they actually have to start to build an decent team for players to even consider them going forward. Acquiring Mills or Mills, Diaw, and the 29th for the 26th or for the 24th, and 26th pick does not sound that far fetched they get two rotation players from a 67 win team and the 29th pick while they only give up the 24th and or 26th picks.
I think it would be farfetch that the Spurs trade Patty Mills.
Honestly, can you see the Spurs adding 4 rookies via the draft?! Plus Bertans and/or Multinov(sp?). Pop and RC have never really relied on rookies at all. TP and Kwahi were the exceptions and even then, they weren't plugged in in vital roles.
Lets say we get Baldwin, chances are he'd be a backup to start with, or would have a vet PG backup to help tutor him.
You guys are underrating Green and overrating picks as usual.
Green is easily worth the 12th pick, without SA even including that late 1st.
Remember Chase Budinger ? Look at what Minny gave Houston to get him. (yes the 18th pick in a draft better than this one). He isn't half the player DG is and he was an expiring about to get paid.
Non-star productive players locked in long term contracts have more value than people think, especially a 2-way relatively young one like Green .
I am optimistic about the Spurs moving up in the draft but I don't believe they will move any significant piece. Time and time again the Spurs have had immediate needs and they have decided to go elsewhere in the draft. There are too many glaring needs to overlook the obvious this season but I'm already setting myself up for disappointment should they draft someone that makes ZERO sense.
About the only thing you can be sure of:
If the Spurs were to trade Danny for #12 and a player, half the forum would scream every time Danny makes a 3 with his new team.
If they don't, the other half will scream every time he misses one for the Spurs.
Especially if someone of quality is there at 12 and if the spurs status quo pick #29 and draft the serbian, french, foreign guy's version of insert some old player.
We won't have to worry about that in the regular season
Unless that team has a PG who can actually break down a defense and penetrate kicking the ball to him for an open shot. Or if the coach will play him more than 25 minutes.
Nah. The er missed plenty of open shots this year. No need to deflect around that fact.
37.6 FG%, 33.2 3P%, 73.9 FT%, 49.2 TS%
Maybe he would've played better if he had a SF that averaged AT LEAST 3apg... Look what it did for Jefferson
Mills doesn't play pg and if Manu wasn't out there holding his hand, he would have been totally useless all season. The only thing he does moderately well is shoot 3-pointers and he couldn't even knockdown open ones when it mattered in the playoffs. He's not even close to being untouchable.Your only 3 point shooting PG. Who can space the floor as much as Mills and Green?
Kawhi can too but being the primary ball handler in certain situations, he'll have a harder time shooting 3s in the playoffs.
Patty played OK but he was playing with Dwest, Fathead, Fatdiaw, and Old Manu. His 10 points on 10 shots is already better than those other guys shooting.
You are probably right. I though Tony got out on the floor pretty fast though? But you have to add Timmy into that too.
either way I think our roster needs a bit of a shake up. especially if timmy and manu retire.
TP did, but he still had Porter really helping him out and then the Claxton. It took time for TP to really be on his own.
Kwahi came on a bit later than TP, but clearly outplayed RJeff once he did step on to the floor.
Pop likes vets, for good reason.
We do need a shake up. But I don't think a lot of it is going to come through the draft.
Get over it. He's making 10 million. He should be making a difference.
He is making a difference. He's undoubtedly a positive.
He was about as good as patty mills in the playoffs, and arguably one of the worst on the team in the regular season.
That is so wildly incorrect I don't even know where to begin honestly.
start with advanced stats this year
That doesn't make sense
well greens advanced stats, take PER, for the regular season was a 10.5. his ts% was 49%. His ws/48 was .099. all of those are ty. In fact just as ty as martin and one time spur mccallum. That can be argued as the worst on the team.
Playoffs PER patty and danny were separated by .1 WS/48 by .05. They were similarly effective, danny slightly better.
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