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    Richard Armitage, the deputy secretary of state under George W. Bush, says he will vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump, in one of the most dramatic signs yet that Republican national security elites are rejecting their party’s presumptive nominee.

    Armitage, a retired Navy officer who also served as an assistant secretary of defense under Ronald Reagan, is thought by Clinton aides to be the highest-ranking former GOP national security official to openly support Clinton over Trump.

    “If Donald Trump is the nominee, I would vote for Hillary Clinton,” Armitage told POLITICO in a brief interview. “He doesn't appear to be a Republican, he doesn't appear to want to learn about issues. So, I’m going to vote for Mrs. Clinton.”

    Dozens of Republican foreign policy elites have already declared their unwillingness to support or work for Trump, though far fewer say they would cast a ballot for Clinton. The latter group includes Max Boot, a prominent neoconservative military analyst and historian; Mark Salter, former longtime chief of staff to Republican Sen. John McCain; and retired Army Col. Peter Mansour, a former top aide to retired Gen. David Petraeus.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4BocuRAtF
    Trump might just shatter the GOP.

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    Sure, neocons don't care who the Pres or what party, as long as the Pres is murderous, warmongering, MIC-enriching sonofabtich.

    Hillary's the their man, never saw a regime she didn't want to change: Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Libya, Egypt. All ing disasters to continue for years, if not decades.

    Regime change in Iran is the neocon agenda, was even during the Iraq invasion. "Real Men Go To Tehran"

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    Trump might just shatter the GOP.
    Is that a bad thing?

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    Is that a bad thing?
    is that a good "thing"?

    Trash is only trashing the Repugs' presidential hopes, not the Repug party.

    Repugs may remain in full control of Congress, or at least will maintain strict obstructionism in the Senate, and with House Repugs (google "redmap") will continue defunding the parts of govt that BigCorp/1% wants defunded.

    Trash will be trashed by Hillary, and the Repug party will continue ing up the country uninterrupted.

    The downward trajectory of the 99% will continue, while the 1% will continue to take 95% of all economic gains.
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    Is that a bad thing?
    Nope. Its a necessary thing.

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    Nope. Its a necessary thing.
    but it won't happen.

    VRWC/BigCorp will maintain control of the Repug party, and lesser control of the Dem party, and thereby continue to own and operate govt for its own self-enrichment.

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    Nope. Its a necessary thing.
    yep...Republicans are going to get pushed to the moderate center by the voters and the Democrats are going to get pushed to the left.

    Yesterday Bernie said...

    . "The major political task that we face in the next five months is to make certain that Donald Trump is defeated and defeated badly," he declared. "I also look forward to working with Secretary Clinton to transform the Democratic Party."

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    Republicans might actually win elections if they were fiscally conservative and socially moderate as the Democratic party drifted towards socialism.

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    Is that a bad thing?
    Not really.

    Our country could use more political parties. I have become a big fan of the parlimentary system as of late.

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    yep...Republicans are going to get pushed to the moderate center by the voters and the Democrats are going to get pushed to the left.

    Yesterday Bernie said...
    Voter preferences are not taken into consideration by Congress, ONLY donor preferences get attention, regs, laws.

    Watch Trump get trashed, while red/slave state voters elect the vast majority of the Congressional candidates.

    The standard voter position is "my Congressional people are ok, even great. It's everybody else's Congressional people that screw up"

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    thinking Shillary will be president

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    This is how the GOP rigged Congress: The secret plan that handcuffed Obama’s presidency, but backfired in Donald Trump

    GOP stole the House with old trick in a brilliant modern form. A new book by Salon's editor lays out every detail

    http://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/this..._donald_trump/

    None of the rigging will change when Trash gets trashed.


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    Is that a bad thing?
    Nope.

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    thinking Shillary will be president
    Thinking someone can win without the women and minority vote. 12 points down.

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    Republicans might actually win elections if they were fiscally conservative and socially moderate as the Democratic party drifted towards socialism.
    Hillary is a real socialist. . .

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    Sure, neocons don't care who the Pres or what party, as long as the Pres is murderous, warmongering, MIC-enriching sonofabtich.

    Hillary's the their man, never saw a regime she didn't want to change: Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Libya, Egypt. All ing disasters to continue for years, if not decades.

    Regime change in Iran is the neocon agenda, was even during the Iraq invasion. "Real Men Go To Tehran"
    I'll let them speak for themselves but they haven't been dem pretty much ever. That certainly wasn't the case when Nixon was ending the Vietnam War. Your ideology fails.

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    thinking Shillary will be president
    So what will you say if you end up being wrong?

    All these mocking posts... will haunt you.

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    This is how the GOP rigged Congress: The secret plan that handcuffed Obama’s presidency, but backfired in Donald Trump

    GOP stole the House with old trick in a brilliant modern form. A new book by Salon's editor lays out every detail

    http://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/this..._donald_trump/

    None of the rigging will change when Trash gets trashed.

    Dude ing nailed it.
    You can trace gerrymandering back to the late 1700s, but the plan that the Republicans executed in 2010 and 2011 reinvented this game in a completely modern and transformative way. When Barack Obama was elected president in 2008, it was the fourth presidential election out of five in which the Democrats won the popular vote. They took 23 of 33 Senate seats and opened up a supermajority. They held the House. The future demographics looked scary. And when you look again at the Election Night coverage, the leading Republican intellectuals were wringing their hands about the GOP’s future as a national party. But then a handful of brilliant Republican strategists centered around the Republican State Leadership Committee hit on a plan: They recognized that 2010 was a “zero year,” and that zero years reverberate through the rest of the decade because that’s when every Congressional district and state legislative district gets redrawn.

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    The two key tacticians behind REDMAP (for Redistricting Majority Project), Chris Jankowski and Ed Gillespie, recognized that if they crafted a plan to flip state legislative chambers in enough key states–especially purplish states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, North Carolina, Florida and Wisconsin–that they could control redistricting in these states and redraw both the state and federal lines in a way that built the Republicans a firewall in the House of Representatives. They spent $30 million on state races and blew these Democratic in bents out of the water, and recaptured control of all those state capitals. Then, they provided state legislators with the mapping, technological and legal help to draw impregnable lines. It worked exactly as planned, helped along by the fact that 2010 was a year of Democratic malaise and low turnout. This is the biggest political heist, and the biggest political bargain, in modern memory. Linda McMahon spent $100 million on two losing Senate races in Connecticut. For a third of that, the GOP locked in control of the House for a decade–and took dozens of previously compe ive races off the board, where they would have had to have spent more money.

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    So what will you say if you end up being wrong?

    All these mocking posts... will haunt you.
    Nah and if it does he will just switch accounts. Wait for something to happen that justifies coming back for a told you so.

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    “Cracking” is to divide a city in pieces in order to divide a partisan stronghold. That’s what the GOP did in Asheville, North Carolina, for example, dividing an artsy enclave into two districts to minimize Democratic votes. That resulted in the end of Heath Shuler’s career, a conservative Democrat, and led to the election of Mark Meadows, a Tea Party extremist who made the parliamentary move that took down John Boehner — so it’s an example of how the extreme gerrymandering has shifted the kind of people elected to Congress and, ironically, made it more difficult for the GOP leadership to control the caucus they created. “Packing” is what they did in Pennsylvania to Chaka Fattah, for example, adding so many Democratic votes to one district that it “bleaches” the surrounding districts
    , they are really reaping what they sowed.


    It amounts to a huge overreach, making the country seem like it tilted more than it actually did.

    The GOP, taking that signal as some sort of green light to advance extremist policies over what the majority of americans are comfortable with... have done exactly that.

    Provoking a backlash against people who aren't as extreme.

    Interesting.

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    , they are really reaping what they sowed.


    It amounts to a huge overreach, making the country seem like it tilted more than it actually did.

    The GOP, taking that signal as some sort of green light to advance extremist policies over what the majority of americans are comfortable with... have done exactly that.

    Provoking a backlash against people who aren't as extreme.

    Interesting.
    Single member districts are an antiquated blight. The county system goes back to feudalism.

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    Nah and if it does he will just switch accounts. Wait for something to happen that justifies coming back for a told you so.
    I think I will simply start a catalog.

    Easy to put into a text file.

    The way I see it, this thing is shaping up to be a defeat of monumental proportions for the GOP, unless something changes, although I think the damage is already done.

    Which will make hater look like the tool he is. Kind of hard to walk back the stupid he is saying.

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    But it may also be that the Republicans have interest in fixing the system as well. After all, this last gerrymander locked in control, but it changed the nature of the party base and led to a very extreme House Freedom Caucus and took the ability to manage the caucus and the Congress away from the establishment. It’s among the factors that created the conditions under which Donald Trump could walk away with the party. It might take not only the public, but members of both parties of good conscience, to work together to find a fix. We ignore these issues at our extreme peril — as we have seen these last several years of inaction and decay.
    One can only hope.

    I have to resist the urge to give in to some frustration on the part of tea party idiots, and say " the GOP". The country needs them, it just needs a GOP that isn't held hostage by zealots.
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