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    What the are you talking about? You are spouting off some delusional there. Who was on the floor at the end of the game in the 2003 Finals? Speedy ing Claxton. Who stpped up when TP pulled up lame against OKC in the 2014 WCF - Corey Jospeh. Who had to play the majority of minutes when TP had some bull ailment against the Mavs in game 6 of the 2003 WCF - Steve Kerr. TP has a history of shriveling up on the biggest stage. After 15 something years in the league I can count on 1 hand when the dude carried his teammates and was clutch.

    Manu was arguably the MVP of the 2005 Finals and averaged almost 20 pts a game with a broken arm in 2011 Memphis series. He was about to turn 34 if I'm not mistaken. The guy gave his left nut to the team this year. You have got to be ting me if you think Parker has been the better player for the Spurs. Manu is the better player now for s sake.

    Tony Parker's game has not evolved fast enough to keep pace with his decline. He can't stay in front of people on D and he can't get by his opponents on offense like he once did. His 3 pt shooting has improved but not nearly as much as the Spurs needed. Nah, dude is done and needs to be gone. I thought he could bounce back after the Clippers playoff debacle but he was mediocre at best. Worth 15 Mill a season? GTFO. PLEASE someone take him.
    Who fouled Dirk and cost the Spurs the series 2006 playoffs? Manu. Who cost the Spurs a championship in 2013 by turning the ball over 8 times and splitting his free throws? Manu. Who got his cookie taken by OKC's bench this year? Manu. Who fouled out in 15 minutes in a game where the Spurs had their backs on the wall against OKC? Manu. 13 years and he's already responsible for some of the biggest choke jobs of all time. He looked paid off at times to lose the series.

    Shouldve could've would've, Parker has that hardware that Manu never got. Even Jamal Crawford has more 6MOY than Manu. He's looked at as some god because he's Latino in a Latino majority fan base. He's not. You're a fool if you think he did more for the Spurs than Parker did.

    I agree that Parker's contract is bad and should be moved (just like Manure should've been for some years now), but it ain't gonna happen. Now y'all will feel like I did after 2013

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    Who fouled Dirk and cost the Spurs the series 2006 playoffs? Manu. Who cost the Spurs a championship in 2013 by turning the ball over 8 times and splitting his free throws? Manu. Who got his cookie taken by OKC's bench this year? Manu. Who fouled out in 15 minutes in a game where the Spurs had their backs on the wall against OKC? Manu. 13 years and he's already responsible for some of the biggest choke jobs of all time. He looked paid off at times to lose the series.

    Shouldve could've would've, Parker has that hardware that Manu never got. Even Jamal Crawford has more 6MOY than Manu. He's looked at as some god because he's Latino in a Latino majority fan base. He's not. You're a fool if you think he did more for the Spurs than Parker did.

    I agree that Parker's contract is bad and should be moved (just like Manure should've been for some years now), but it ain't gonna happen. Now y'all will feel like I did after 2013
    Your hatred for Manu really knows no bounds.

    To me both Parker and Manu have been equally important pieces on Spurs' championship runs. Where Manu has exceled over the seasons (where Parker hasn't) is in adapting his game to accept lesser roles --> even prime Manu had to accept a lesser role because winning was the most important thing to him.

    Say what you want about him, but there's a reason why everyone knows that Manu's compe ive spirit could only be rivaled by the likes of the Jordan's and Kobe's of the world. As much as I defend both players I have to admit there have been games where one can visibly tell Parker mails it in (perhaps due to injuries or other legit reasons) - Manu however. fights and competes the same way every minute he's on the court. If you cannot let yourself admit as much, your entire argument loses credibility - as pure player hate.

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    Parker gave the team more than Manu, and manure never got sent packing. It ain't happening
    This is a discussion that deserves its own thread.

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    Finley went to Boston after his stint with the Spurs. Brent Barry went to Houston. Bowen retired because he wasn't welcomed back to the Spurs and Horry was pissed the Spurs would not re-sign him.
    Explain to me again why you're comparing these knocking on the door of retirement bench players to Tony Parker.
    Finley went to Boston after his stint with the Spurs.
    Finley wanted and was granted a release from the Spurs.

    Brent Barry went to Houston
    Brent was on the last year of his deal with the Spurs when he went down with a season ending injury. It made sense to trade him. He played one more season and retired.

    Bowen retired because he wasn't welcomed back to the Spurs
    Bowen retired because NO team wanted him. Milwaukee tried for a month to give him away and they couldn't find a taker.

    Horry was pissed the Spurs would not re-sign him.
    The Spurs would have gladly taken Horry back but he chose retirement instead. Spurs also tried to persuade him to comeback mid season but, to no avail.

    The Spurs traded George Hill in 2011 for Kawhi Leonard
    The Spurs tried to turn him into a pg. It was a total fail. There were many fans and talking heads alike that saw he wasn't a good fit in SA. He was also the only tradeable asset the team had at the time and they sorely needed an injection of youth. Plus, he was about to get paid and the PATFO didn't want any part of that.

    it wasn't a matter of determining TP's market value. And we both know you made up that about Avery and Malik not wanting to come back. Malik was traded to the Knicks for essentially Nazr Mohammed. Avery was 36 and no longer the player he once was. The Spurs didn't resign him when he became a FA. Where was the loyalty then? The city loved Avery and the organization even retired his number.
    2001 was the year they drafted Tony Parker and Avery didn't want to split time with Antonio Daniels as the backup pg so the Spurs and Avery mutually parted ways. Malik Rose was traded because of the lack of playing time he was receiving and it was becoming a major problem between him and Popovich.

    The Spurs don't give a about all that fan loyalty stuff. If a player can produce to expectations and accept their roles - they have a chance to stick around. If they can't OR the organization feels it can improve by moving the player - they will make it happen. People are caught up in believing a bunch of fantasy land regarding the team. The NBA is a hard-core business. Winning trumps everything.
    Well this isn't about fan loyalty, it's about team loyalty. I don't know what the you mean by accepting roles and then bring up total deadbeats who couldn't play at an NBA level anymore like Avery Johnson, Micheal Finley and Bruce Bowen. Parker might not be what he used to be but he's still very functional and a solid role player. Though, if he were making $3M instead of $14.5M, he'd be one of the best bargains in basketball and nobody would be saying . Maybe your complaint should be with the so-called PATFO who were the ones that gifted him that 4 year extension in the first place.

    Good luck finding a team that's willing to take on the remainder of Tony's $30M contract. I'm sure the Spurstalk prognosticators will come up with many trade scenarios but 99.9% of them are heavily slanted in favor of the Spurs. These trades would have opposing GM's hanging up the phone in laughter.

    If Spurs management had brass balls like you seem to think they do, they'd have no problem dumping fat and lazy too but, we both know that's not going to happen either. This organization is two things, cheap and loyal. They wouldn't sign Scola because of a $3M buyout. They wouldn't amnesty Bonner because they didn't want to pay $3.5M. Again George Hill was about to get paid so they traded him. They rewarded Tony Parker for his years of service rather than his inevitable decline. They re-signed a declining 30 year old (Richard Jefferson) to a 4 year contract extension (sound familiar?) so they could avoid going over the luxury tax threshold. Etc.

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    Kawhi is the only defender that I have ever seen to visibly cause Lebron distress. No one will contain a prime Lebron through a series, but, Kawhi is the best defender on him and made him work harder than anyone else.
    End of story

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    Harden literally blew Kiwi out of the water in every stat this season, yet Kiwi who was inferior and on a way better team and system got more hardware
    You mean like how Kevin Love blew Tim out of the water in 2014?

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    Kawahi2016fmvp You keep quoting me but, I can't see your posts.

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    I agree that Parker's contract is bad and should be moved (just like Manure should've been for some years now), but it ain't gonna happen. Now y'all will feel like I did after 2013
    Does that mean Porker is going to play like an all-star next season just like Manu did in 2014?

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    Does that mean Porker is going to play like an all-star next season just like Manu did in 2014?
    Manu didn't play like an all star

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    Manu didn't play like an all star
    He outplayed Porker who was an all-star

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    He outplayed Porker who was an all-star
    The funny part is he didn't

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    The funny part is he didn't
    Enrique was in the lockerroom rubbing his vagina while Evita was ending OKC:



    Enrique also dug the team into 19-6 hole in Gm 5 of the Finals & it was Evita that turned the tide:



    Evita was also the reason the Spurs won Gm 4 against the Mavs otherwise the Spurs might have been in a 3-1 hole:


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    all of these flashbacks from 2014 just make me want our team to get there again.
    It's probably only going to happen with a different roster. As beloved as the old big 3 were, I don't think we get there again with them.

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    Manu didn't play like an all star
    Dude its the off-season go work on your Photoshop skills they need work. Is ST set as your homepage or what? Pathetic knowing so much about the Spurs but being so wrong. Its like watching a lot of porn but not knowing how to have sex cuz you've never had the opportunity. This is all meaningless, to most of us visiting this site is entertaining, a way to pass the time when were taking a . If trolling on ST are your friday night plans - no wonder this is the only way you can get attention. Unplug, there's a big world out there, you'll thank me later.

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    Dude its the off-season go work on your Photoshop skills they need work. Is ST set as your homepage or what? Pathetic knowing so much about the Spurs but being so wrong. Its like watching a lot of porn but not knowing how to have sex cuz you've never had the opportunity. This is all meaningless, to most of us visiting this site is entertaining, a way to pass the time when were taking a . If trolling on ST are your friday night plans - no wonder this is the only way you can get attention. Unplug, there's a big world out there, you'll thank me later.
    There's these things called iphones, you should drop your brick phone and invest in one. You can use the Internet on it, as well as the Google.

    "Unplug"

    And no, Manu didn't play like an Allstar.

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    "The Heat...have gone cold...GinOBILI ON THE FINISH!"

    I like Lebron on that play. Its like, "all yours Manu, just let me get out of the way"

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    No, Kawhi is not better then LeBron, but he's clearly the best defender in the league. Andre Iguodala and Draymond Green on the same team don't equal 1 Kawhi.
    LOLOL what do you know, heres a "hey I know my favorite player can't lead a team to , so I'll just keep bringing up his defense"

    10/10

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    LOLOL what do you know, heres a "hey I know my favorite player can't lead a team to , so I'll just keep bringing up his defense"

    10/10
    Your late.

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    There's these things called iphones, you should drop your brick phone and invest in one. You can use the Internet on it, as well as the Google.

    "Unplug"

    And no, Manu didn't play like an Allstar.
    Do your get alerts on you're phone every time a new thread is created?

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