Cavs: Kyrie Irving......... Best PG in the NBA now?

[lebomb]

Yeah Kyrie lucky chucked his way to a 27ppg finals avg. LMAO.......

[ambchang]

I guess you think all players play every single game perfectly. You are calling out a "single" game 4 that he played poorly in? What about games 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7 where he kicked ass. Those kiss off the glass to the hole shots were not luck. , he broke plenty of ankles in this series to. Out played the league MVP the entire series. Haters gon hate.

Didn't expect perfection, just expect some level of basketball IQ.

Game 4 was a reflection of that, but he also put up these horrible shots at times where you just realized he wasted a possession, and he kept doing it.

Guy shot 7-22 in a game 1 loss and 5-14 in game 2. He didn't even start playing good basketball until Cleveland changed their offense to nothing but Lebron where it help minimized Irving's stupid mistakes.

Kudos to him for chucking less, but let's not kid ourselves, this series was because Lebron took over after seeing Irving chuck the Cavs to a loss in game 4.

[Phillip]

I mean, he arguably could have been the best overall player in the finals.

Are you re ed?

[ambchang]

And he rang because of it. Life is good.

And because they took on their beta second banana roles.

[whitemamba]

LeBron has taken as many "big shots" as Kobe - in fewer seasons - and has made a lot more of them:



Relative to the league-wide average, James generated 4.8 more total points than expected on his go-ahead shots, which translates to about one entire playoff win beyond what an average shooter would have contributed from the same field-goal distances. And those numbers become magnified when you consider that James’s average go-ahead shot came in a playoff game with championship implications 34 percent greater than the typical postseason contest. After we weight by the leverage of his specific game-winning shot attempts, James generated the equivalent of 8.5 more points than expected, or roughly two playoff wins above average, with his clutch end-of-game shooting alone.

(By contrast, Bryant generated 3.2 fewer points than expected and did it in games that were about 64 percent more important than the average playoff game, compounding the damage of his 1-for-10 performance.)

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/l...is-generation/


Against SA when they won, he made the three that made Ray Allen's shot matter for anything:



He also made the game-winner with the championship on the line in Game 7:




Yet all anyone will remember is The Block. Kyrie's lucky chuck will be forgotten by everyone other than salty LeBron haters.




Unanimous.

Idk why you are bring Kobe into this but stats don't say in this topic, Kobe takes more shots with the clock winding down than anyone i have ever seen, especially from 2005-2010, no one else shot the ball in the last second. So i don't expect his numbers to be great. Lebrons block was beast, actually all of his blocks were incredible i dont disagree. but 9-24? is that what he shot in a game 7? Time for the Kobe haters to eat the crow. Lebron is the worst shooter outside the paint i think i have ever seen. Im glad he rang at the price of Kyrie, he bailed him out, AGAIN. If Lebron keeps hitting the sauce maybe he has a few more beast attack the basket years.

[lebomb]

Are you re ed?

Who else was on his level in the finals?

1. Lebron
2. Draymon Green
3. Klay for one game

..........who else? Noone dumbass.

[Phillip]

Who else was on his level in the finals?

1. Lebron
2. Draymon Green
3. Klay for one game

..........who else? Noone dumbass.

Arguably the best overall player in the Finals, when there was a guy who had more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than anyone in the entire series, and did it all with superior efficiency?

Kyrie was incredibly important, and the 2nd best player of the finals, no question. But arguably the best overall player? Absolutely not, and there is no argument whatsoever for it.

[whitemamba]

And because they took on their beta second banana roles.

why are you so racist?

[Phillip]

Idk why you are bring Kobe into this but stats don't say in this topic, Kobe takes more shots with the clock winding down than anyone i have ever seen, especially from 2005-2010, no one else shot the ball in the last second. So i don't expect his numbers to be great. Lebrons block was beast, actually all of his blocks were incredible i dont disagree. but 9-24? is that what he shot in a game 7? Time for the Kobe haters to eat the crow. Lebron is the worst shooter outside the paint i think i have ever seen. Im glad he rang at the price of Kyrie, he bailed him out, AGAIN. If Lebron keeps hitting the sauce maybe he has a few more beast attack the basket years.

lol 6-24

[Clipper Nation]

Idk why you are bring Kobe into this but stats don't say in this topic, Kobe takes more shots with the clock winding down than anyone i have ever seen, especially from 2005-2010, no one else shot the ball in the last second. So i don't expect his numbers to be great. Lebrons block was beast, actually all of his blocks were incredible i dont disagree. but 9-24? is that what he shot in a game 7? Time for the Kobe haters to eat the crow. Lebron is the worst shooter outside the paint i think i have ever seen. Im glad he rang at the price of Kyrie, he bailed him out, AGAIN. If Lebron keeps hitting the sauce maybe he has a few more beast attack the basket years.

Laughing at 9-24 when it's still a million times better than 6-24
Bringing up full-game shooting percentages while caping for Kobe and Kyrie (two chuckers)
Claiming that the only player in NBA history to lead both teams in all categories in the Finals, who also put up a triple double in Game 7 and delivered the championship-saving block, was "bailed out" by anyone

Your takes are atrocious, tbh.

[lebomb]

Arguably the best overall player in the Finals, when there was a guy who had more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than anyone in the entire series, and did it all with superior efficiency?

Kyrie was incredibly important, and the 2nd best player of the finals, no question. But arguably the best overall player? Absolutely not, and there is no argument whatsoever for it.

I never said he was arguably the best player. I said other people said he was. I personally think he was the 2nd overall best player in the finals. With Draymon and Klay 3rd.

[AlexJones]

So many dumb people who base their analysis on a couple of games. World is littered with them.

[Phillip]

I never said he was arguably the best player. I said other people said he was. I personally think he was the 2nd overall best player in the finals. With Draymon and Klay 3rd.

did you not even read your original post in this thread, which I already quoted once? Allow me to quote it again.

Noone is even talking about this guy. I mean, he arguably could have been the best overall player in the finals. Yeah, Lebron deserved it, but damn Kyrie stuck it to Curry and the Warriors. Dude was nails.

Yall gotta give it up for Kyrie. If I started a franchise, I would have Kyrie as my point because I KNOW he can get it done in the finals and crunch time. Lillard would be my #2 pick and Chris Paul #3 due to his age.

Kill yourself, got.

[lebomb]

LMAO......... there are many saying he deserved MVP for the finals niggra!!! Kyrie came up clutch time after time against the GSW.

How bout I just kill you Phillip.

[lebomb]

Im in here arguing with Phillip ......... a gottadayum Mavs fan. How many times have we whooped Maverick ass in a row? 20? 30?

STFU and come back like, never.

[Phillip]

How bout I just kill you Phillip.

So basically you are a backtracking got that doesn't pay attention to what he posts, and admits that he failed miserably here.

Got it

lol utsa

[Kawhitstorm]

Noone is even talking about this guy. I mean, he arguably could have been the best overall player in the finals. Yeah, Lebron deserved it, but damn Kyrie stuck it to Curry and the Warriors. Dude was nails.

Yall gotta give it up for Kyrie. If I started a franchise, I would have Kyrie as my point because I KNOW he can get it done in the finals and crunch time. Lillard would be my #2 pick and Chris Paul #3 due to his age.

Lillard got flambeed for a record 17 pt in OT by a less than 100% Wardell who has a career average of 32 PPG against Lillard.

[whitemamba]

Laughing at 9-24 when it's still a million times better than 6-24
Bringing up full-game shooting percentages while caping for Kobe and Kyrie (two chuckers)
Claiming that the only player in NBA history to lead both teams in all categories in the Finals, who also put up a triple double in Game 7 and delivered the championship-saving block, was "bailed out" by anyone

Your takes are atrocious, tbh.

3 shots is a million times better? your math is exceptional. Youll suck lebrons for getting a block at the end of the game, or rebounds or what ever stat you love. ill say it again kobe grabbed 16 rebounds in the game 7 , rebounding won every game that series. So your argument just took a fat on you. Your obsession with Kobe makes me happy.

Bailed out by Ray
Bailed out by Kyrie

9-24 - The Kang

[JoeTait75]

Over reacting again. He played well in the series, but people forget the dumb plays he commits every game, driving into multiple defenders and losing a ball, putting up horrible off balanced jumpers when three of his teammates are opened. He is probably one of the best 1-1 player the league ever saw, and has a little bit of an Iverson to him, but he gives you the bad as much as the good.

There has never been questions about his cold-bloodedness, he is not afraid to take shots, just that he often take bad shots.

You all just suddenly forgot about Game 4 like it never happened.

You're not all the way wrong by any means, but at the same time Kyrie is still a young player and spent his first three seasons with one of the worst teams in the league in an environment that wasn't conducive to developing winning habits. He's a scorer and he's got the scorer's mentality, which can be a blessing and a curse. I'll be the first to admit that he has shot the Cavaliers out of some games over the last few years. And he's been a terrible defensive player for most of his career.

That having been said, he has unreal scoring ability- he can put the ball in the bucket in any way you can think of, long range, mid-range, in the post- he has the best handle I've ever seen and he has balls of steel in the clutch. In the last few minutes of Game 7 I was begging LeBron to get Kyrie the rock. As great as LeBron is, when it comes to taking one shot for a victory I want Kyrie taking it every time. And when he actually wants to play defense he can be very effective on that end, as we saw in the Finals.

I'm biased- the guy did hit the shot that gave us our first NBA le, after all- but he has all the tools to be the best PG in the game. He might not be there yet, but there's no reason he can't get there within the next few years.

[Clipper Nation]

3 shots is a million times better? your math is exceptional. Youll suck lebrons for getting a block at the end of the game. ill say it again kobe grabbed 16 rebounds in he game 7 , rebounding won every game that series. So your argument just took a fat on you. Your obsession with Kobe makes me happy.

Bailed out by Ray
Bailed out by Kyrie

9-24 - The Kang

Carried Ray
Carried Kyrie
3 alpha rings - The Kang

Bailed out by Stern
Bailed out by Phil
Bailed out by Shaq
Bailed out by Horry
Bailed out by Pau
Bailed out by Artest
Bailed out by Fisher
6-24 - The Brick Mamba

[Clipper Nation]

Asshurt Kobestans: "But, but, Kobe stat-padded his rebounds once!"

Reality: LeBron led both teams in every category in this Finals, put up two historic performances in Games 5 and 6, then followed it up with a triple double and a victory in a road Game 7 against a 73-win team.

Asshurt Kobestans: "But, Kyrie chucked as usual and it went in sometimes in Game 7! That means he's the real MVP!"

[whitemamba]

Carried Ray
Carried Kyrie
3 alpha rings - The Kang

Bailed out by Stern
Bailed out by Phil
Bailed out by Shaq
Bailed out by Horry
Bailed out by Pau
Bailed out by Artest
Bailed out by Fisher
6-24 - The Brick Mamba

Brick Mamba 5
Clippers/Cavs 1

[Killakobe81]

Asshurt Kobestans: "But, but, Kobe stat-padded his rebounds once!"

Reality: LeBron led both teams in every category in this Finals, put up two historic performances in Games 5 and 6, then followed it up with a triple double and a victory in a road Game 7 against a 73-win team.

Asshurt Kobestans: "But, Kyrie chucked as usual and it went in sometimes in Game 7! That means he's the real MVP!"

Kyrie was not the MVP but he hit the biggest shot of the finals (heck of any finals in the last 20 years) was huge in Game 5 to avoid elimination ...
I do think Some are taking Lebron's greatness for granted.
The only connection to Kobe I see is Lebron played the dominant Shaq role of 2000 and Kyrie played the supporting clutch Kobe role ...man said it himself ...

That was Lebron's le period. He was the MVP and it was not close.

[whitemamba]

Asshurt Kobestans: "But, but, Kobe stat-padded his rebounds once!"

Reality: LeBron led both teams in every category in this Finals, put up two historic performances in Games 5 and 6, then followed it up with a triple double and a victory in a road Game 7 against a 73-win team.

Asshurt Kobestans: "But, Kyrie chucked as usual and it went in sometimes in Game 7! That means he's the real MVP!"

NaCl is high with this post. Salty got you brought kobe in the argument, when it had nothing to do with him. Your the stan tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

NaCl is high with this post. Salty got you brought kobe in the argument, when it had nothing to do with him. Your the stan tbh.

Yeah, I'm sure there's no special reason for Laker fans to try to paint Kyrie as the "true Finals MVP" who "carried" LeBron. It has nothing to do with any former Lakers players with overrated legacies that they're trying to protect by downplaying LeBron's accomplishments.