Spurs reportedly looking to move up in 2016 NBA draft

[tholdren]

34 to start the season, injury prone, owed 39 million......
What's not like....

almost intelligent, but Diaw is fat and has no self esteem = not suited for playoffs, mills is unplayable against teams we need a scoring G to get minutes out of in the playoffs. So what it boils down to is tyson's contract versus the impact of the #13 draft pick. Plus, if you have a healthy Chandler, you have a playoff contributor, which can do more than what D Worst, or Boris could in the paint.

Again, sounds too good to be true.

[raybies]

Only players with moving up for imo is:

Murray- like him because he's a more versatile player than Green. Probably a more consistent shooter, can drive and can play both guard spots. A plus you can run him in the pick and roll. Not as good a defender as Green but if he can make plays based on effort and knock down shots and create at a higher pace he could offset the loss.

Bender- he's a stretch 4/5. I mean he's a total package. Reminds me of bosh, but bosh has a better low post game. Imo he can play three positions right now. Alot of versatility. I see him with potential to be an elite role player and with time a borderline all-star. I like that he's very good defensively and can switch on the pick and roll.

Baldwin- future starting point here. Right now he's ready to contribute. Better shooter, defender, and passer than Tony right now and he has the physical profile you want in a guard. Love his length. Can see him playing both guard positions. Just wonder if he can Facilitate well enough. Still worth a look.

Zubac- wouldn't have to trade up to far too get him. Big boost. True 5 with a terrific low post game. Would be great value in the early twenties. Good defender and can play the pick and roll. Good interior defender and can protect the rim. Not a stiff, can move his feet.

On the fence a about:
Poetl
Labisserie

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Only players with moving up for imo is:

Murray- like him because he's a more versatile player than Green. Probably a more consistent shooter, can drive and can play both guard spots. A plus you can run him in the pick and roll. Not as good a defender as Green but if he can make plays based on effort and knock down shots and create at a higher pace he could offset the loss.

Bender- he's a stretch 4/5. I mean he's a total package. Reminds me of bosh, but bosh has a better low post game. Imo he can play three positions right now. Alot of versatility. I see him with potential to be an elite role player and with time a borderline all-star. I like that he's very good defensively and can switch on the pick and roll.

Baldwin- future starting point here. Right now he's ready to contribute. Better shooter, defender, and passer than Tony right now and he has the physical profile you want in a guard. Love his length. Can see him playing both guard positions. Just wonder if he can Facilitate well enough. Still worth a look.

Zubac- wouldn't have to trade up to far too get him. Big boost. True 5 with a terrific low post game. Would be great value in the early twenties. Good defender and can play the pick and roll. Good interior defender and can protect the rim. Not a stiff, can move his feet.

On the fence a about:
Poetl
Labisserie

Murray and Bender will likely go top 5, so they're out. Baldwin at #13 certainly looks like the play if the FO truly are looking to trade with the Suns.

[palangi]

Only players with moving up for imo is:

Murray- like him because he's a more versatile player than Green. Probably a more consistent shooter, can drive and can play both guard spots. A plus you can run him in the pick and roll. Not as good a defender as Green but if he can make plays based on effort and knock down shots and create at a higher pace he could offset the loss.

Bender- he's a stretch 4/5. I mean he's a total package. Reminds me of bosh, but bosh has a better low post game. Imo he can play three positions right now. Alot of versatility. I see him with potential to be an elite role player and with time a borderline all-star. I like that he's very good defensively and can switch on the pick and roll.

Baldwin- future starting point here. Right now he's ready to contribute. Better shooter, defender, and passer than Tony right now and he has the physical profile you want in a guard. Love his length. Can see him playing both guard positions. Just wonder if he can Facilitate well enough. Still worth a look.

Zubac- wouldn't have to trade up to far too get him. Big boost. True 5 with a terrific low post game. Would be great value in the early twenties. Good defender and can play the pick and roll. Good interior defender and can protect the rim. Not a stiff, can move his feet.

On the fence a about:
Poetl
Labisserie

I like labisserie more than bender.

[Uriel]

Take this for what it is. Chad Fords mock w/ Jay Bilas saying SA trying to move up to 13 ( Suns).

Only thing that makes some sense is Tyson Chandler +13th pick for Diaw/Mills. Would be nice if Spurs can get the 34th pick and or Bogdanovic too.

Suns get to wipe TC's contract off their books and go after two big free agents this summer. Spurs get pricey, but defensive center they need and get the 13th pick (and maybe 34th if RC plays his cards right).

Would appreciate it if you could post the exact quote from Chad Ford here. Thanks.

[AFMadison]

That Ford trade proposal is one of the dumber things I've seen come out of ESPN, and that's saying something.

[BatManu20]

I bet we stay at 29 and draft either Tyler Ulis or a draft-and-stash foreigner.

[SAGirl]

I bet we stay at 29 and draft either Tyler Ulis or a draft-and-stash foreigner.

Tyler Ulis, Denzel Valentine if he falls that low, in which case it means that his knee really is F-Up--think Dejuan Blair f-Up! Or a foreign stash big or wing as if we didn't have enough already stashed of both bigs and wings.

Chinook will go crazy.

[raybies]

If we only have one pick and stay put, i want cordinier. Combo guard. Athletic. can defend and can play the pick and roll. Not much of a creator andthat'sprobably whyhis stock has dropped but he's got elite role player potential. He's a two way playerand at that slot its good value and upside cause he's really young. I don't think he's readyto contribute next year but you can let him battle it out with Simmons for playing time and you can try him out at the one in a pinch.

[Maddog]

almost intelligent, but Diaw is fat and has no self esteem = not suited for playoffs, mills is unplayable against teams we need a scoring G to get minutes out of in the playoffs. So what it boils down to is tyson's contract versus the impact of the #13 draft pick. Plus, if you have a healthy Chandler, you have a playoff contributor, which can do more than what D Worst, or Boris could in the paint.

Again, sounds too good to be true.

Often when things sound too good to be true they are...
I'm not necessarily against this purported trade but it comes with a lot of risk. I know- no risk no gain. Chandler, will be 34 and has been injury prone and has his limitations even when healthy. The number 13 pick? Who knows. Even lottery picks are a bit of a gamble. Take a look at the last 5 lottery picks and you can find a lot of mediocre players. Now true, you are not giving up a whole lot here in this scenario, but is this the best use of trade assets...

[Chinook]

People need to stop assuming the Spurs can bend the Suns over backward to get Chandler. The Wolves have held onto Pek for years with him being a worse deal. Phoenix certainly isn't giving up 13 (let along all the other things) during the draft. They don't even know if they'll need the cap space. And you know they're stubborn on trades, and after the Morris coup they pulled, I can't blame them.

If the Spurs end tomorrow night with Chandler, they'll be lucky to have 28 even.

[ace3g]

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Atlanta, Philadelphia, and San Antonio have done the most extensive research on DeAndre Bembry, source told @CBSSports. All pick bw 20-30.

[MaNu4Tres]

People need to stop assuming the Spurs can bend the Suns over backward to get Chandler. The Wolves have held onto Pek for years with him being a worse deal. Phoenix certainly isn't giving up 13 (let along all the other things) during the draft. They don't even know if they'll need the cap space. And you know they're stubborn on trades, and after the Morris coup they pulled, I can't blame them.

If the Spurs end tomorrow night with Chandler, they'll be lucky to have 28 even.

People don't need to stop assuming anything. If anything you need to stop assuming it will just take the 28th pick to shave off 39 million off their books. That's crazy.

Chandler has a worse contract than Pek. There's a bigger price than just the 28th to clear 39 million off their books, 8 million this year. It would allow them to go after two big FA's this summer.

With all due respect, you're far underestimating the cost to get rid of Chandler.

[Chinook]

Chandler has a worse contract than Pek.

That's an absurd claim. Pek got signed to a $60M/5 contract and has played in only 98 games since. That deal has been the worst in the league for a long time. Chandler is just overpaid to be a bench player. Dude averaged 11/13 per 36 last year and 12/14 per 36 the previous one. He's played in twice as many games a Pek has over that span. The only potential saving grace is if Pek can get injury-waived, but that still leaves his team with millions to pay.

There's a huge price to clear 39 million off their books, 8 million this year.

Besides the fact that it's several million bucks less than that, you are overlooking the fact that Phoenix probably doesn't want to have that much extra cap space right now. They don't need it badly enough to give up a ton of value for it.

It would allow them to go after two big FA's this summer.

Yeah, because that worked out so well for them last summer.

Lol " Lucky to even get 28". You're far underestimating the cost to get rid of Chandler.

People said that same thing about Morris. I wouldn't be surprised if someone paid for Chandler. In the current cap climate, contracts are going to be easy to move. We're talking about someone paying Hassan Whiteside twice as much as Chandler is getting now. Dwight could get closer to three times a much. , you've been arguing for them to spend real money on Miles ing Plumlee for weeks.

For a team like the Spurs who would be trading for him to be their starter, his salary is a steal, not an albatross. And Phoenix knows it.

[MaNu4Tres]

That's an absurd claim. Pek got signed to a $60M/5 contract and has played in only 98 games since. That deal has been the worst in the league for a long time. Chandler is just overpaid to be a bench player. Dude averaged 11/13 per 36 last year and 12/14 per 36 the previous one. He's played in twice as many games a Pek has over that span. The only potential saving grace is if Pek can get injury-waived, but that still leaves his team with millions to pay.

Which contract is worse?

Two years for 23 million or 3 years 39 million?

Answer me that?

And yes, assuming no trade happens and TD/MG retire and they waive stretch Diaw, I'd still prefer Spurs spend 4-5 million on Plumlee and still have space to work with than sign Gasol for 10-12 mil per. That hasn't changed.

[Chinook]

Which contract is worse?

Two years for 23 million or 3 years 39 million?

The $23M/2 is worse, because that player is essentially giving you nothing for your money, whereas the other one would be your starter. This is an extremely easy question to answer, and the fact that you think it supports your point is head-scratching.

[MaNu4Tres]

People said that same thing about Morris. .

Why are you comparing Morris to Chandler?

I'm not surprised that you don't realize Morris shot Phoenix in the foot with his announcement last summer. Phoenix instantly lost any leverage in getting the right value for him when he demanded to be traded and said he wouldn't play for the Suns next year. It's like when a player in the NFL demands for a trade and other teams just wait it out until the team just releases the guy. Teams just waited it out and then low-balled at the deadline because they knew the desperate situation. Plus, Morris was much easier to move because he is only 26 years old and has 3 yrs left for 24 million. Chandler is 33, had a poor season, and has 3 years 39 million left on his deal.

Your comparison couldn't be more off based. And I'm not surprised at all.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

People don't need to stop assuming anything. If anything you need to stop assuming it will just take the 28th pick to shave off 39 million off their books. That's crazy.

Chandler has a worse contract than Pek. There's a bigger price than just the 28th to clear 39 million off their books, 8 million this year. It would allow them to go after two big FA's this summer.

With all due respect, you're far underestimating the cost to get rid of Chandler.

Why would Phoenix need 40+ million in cap space? They're not getting a max FA unless they're grossly overpaying someone ty like Parsons. They'll need to hit the salary floor of ~$85 mil next season and then ~$100 mil the following year. Some players will be getting ridiculous money and Chandler's deal will not look nearly as bad with the new cap, especially for a productive player like him, who can still be a first big off the bench type for most teams and even a starter for a few.

They'll easily get rid of his salary by the trade deadline next season when some team will be desperate to hit the salary floor. No need to pay a hefty price right now to trade that contract.

[Chinook]

Why are you comparing Morris to Chandler?

Because people thought Phoenix was going to have to pay for them to be able to get rid of him, and they have the very pick you're trying to acquire because they held onto him until they found a team desperate enough to trade for him.

I'm not surprised ... Teams just waited it out and then low-balled at the deadline because they knew the desperate situation.

This pretty much encapsulates your lack of understanding. The Morris trade was a huge win for Phoenix. A very similar player in Tobias Harris (who had no baggage) had just gone for expirings a few weeks prior. Instead of settling for something similar, the Suns got a second lottery pick. There's no doubt in my mind that Washington would take back that deal in a heartbeat right about now.

[MaNu4Tres]

Because people thought Phoenix was going to have to pay for them to be able to get rid of him, and they have the very pick you're trying to acquire because they held onto him until they found a team desperate enough to trade for him.

Morris is 26 years old and is more productive than his salary. Plus, he's the exact type of player that's very valuable in today's NBA. How you are comparing him and his situation to 33 yr old Chandlers is absurd. He had a poor year last yr and has 3 yes left for 39 million. The two situations couldn't be more different. The cost to shed Chandler is a lot higher than Morris because Morris is 26, is productive, and is versatile to play 2 positions -- which is valuable in today's NBA.

[Chinook]

Morris is 26 years old and is more productive than his salary.

And he's a cancer. Always has been. Ultimate empty-stats player. Dude's still in legal trouble. His brother seems to be better off without him.

Plus, he's the exact type of player that's very valuable in today's NBA.

Offense-first combo-forwards who can't really defend either position are not rare. Almost every team has at least one of them on their roster.

How you are comparing him and his situation to 33 yr old Chandlers is absurd.

The difference between their value is already reflected in the difference between getting the 13th pick for Morris and paying the 28th pick to move Chandler. Defensive centers who can rebound and roll are still very valuable, as you've been wont to point out. Chandler is the prototype for that mold. Getting him for no pick at all would be a decent use of a few million in cap space, allowing the team to focus on bringing in a guard with the rest.

I'd totally be on board with the team picking up Chandler rather than Markieff, and I don't think I'm alone in that assertion.

[Mr. Body]

Jon Rothstein Verified account ‏@JonRothstein

Atlanta, Philadelphia, and San Antonio have done the most extensive research on DeAndre Bembry, source told @CBSSports. All pick bw 20-30.

Bembry would be a good overall pick. We badly need young guys with athleticism and a high motor. It's a decent bet his shooting would improve under Englund. But as an SF he doesn't address the big gaps in the roster (PG, shotblocker, backup shooting).

[Keepin' it real]

Why doesn't the NBA have star players who slide way down the first round like in the NFL such as Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, etc.?

[sasaint]

Tyler Ulis, Denzel Valentine if he falls that low, in which case it means that his knee really is F-Up--think Dejuan Blair f-Up! Or a foreign stash big or wing as if we didn't have enough already stashed of both bigs and wings.

Chinook will go crazy.

If we do any of those things in an off-season when we desperately need an immediate infusion of size and athleticism and youth, Chinook is not the only one who will go crazy.

[Mr. Body]

Why doesn't the NBA have star players who slide way down the first round like in the NFL such as Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, etc.?

Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili not enough for you?