thanks, but the "mass murders" are not the real gun violence problem, are only a tiny part of the 10K gun homicides per year, every year.
BigGun corrupts corruptible legislative s, makes govt policy for its own profits, duping, conning gun fellator assholes with a perversion of the 2nd Amendment, and slaughters many 1000s year after year as the $100Ms roll in reliably.
Gun violence, gun maiming, gun death is as American and unchallengeable as Apple Pie. yawn.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 06-21-2016 at 07:22 PM.
Boo is right. The majority of gun homicides are criminals shooting criminals.
It would be nice if we could really say this with good numbers. We don't have any good studies because the NRA does not want any numbers out from the people who are experts at this stuff. The US does not properly fund the real studies that need to be done by scientists and statisticians.
56% of gun deaths occur with guns that were illegally transported from Mexico.
Here is one that you should find interesting.
http://city.milwaukee.gov/ImageLibra...11Reportv6.pdf
In this detailed study, 76% of the victims had prior criminal records and 90% of the suspects had prior criminal records.
Thats not a number I have confidence in as the people collecting and analyzing the data are NOT the experts. I have much more faith in the number of cancer deaths in the US caused by specific cancers etc... The reason why we continually go back and forth about studies on this site is because they are not done by experts. Epidemiologists should be handling this stuff. They can at least state how accurate their study is with confidence numbers.
Does your number above come with a degree of confidence?
Statistics on degree of confidence?
Did people that come into the hospital claiming they shot themselves accidentally at 3 in the morning really checked out for this claim. The numbers on black cides would be much higher possibly which would make you even more willing to put up the numbers. I could go on and on with this. We don't have near as good numbers as we could have. Police departments are supposed to be experts at serving and protecting. Let's give them some help in getting and reporting good numbers. Let's let hospitals learn to read gunshot wounds. Like doctors and hospitals do with diseased patients. Let's let the experts have access to government information on guns. And no, epidemiologists don't get full access. We have a structure in place for getting more accurate assessments, but we won't fund them or even let them see data. This is why boots and the gun guys will never agree on good numbers. They don't exist in any quan y and many times, quality.
Last edited by pgardn; 06-22-2016 at 10:43 AM.
superfluous comment
I think all concerned are more comfortable with studies that confirm political agendas than with the actual truth which might even enable us to say gun ownership in these areas appear to have a high correlation with very low gun related crime. But some don't want to hear anything of worth. Mainly the NRA.
them then, right?
With 300M+ guns floating around, with even law enforcement unable to retain control of their guns successfully (1000s lost every year, guess who pays for new ones?), anybody in USA can obtain almost any kind of gun if they try hard enough.
Gun regulations are totally ineffective in the above nightmare. hey, BigGun makes big profits, that's ALL that counts.
Did you read it all? It looked like it was very detailed and objective study of a major metropolitan area.
Now if you want to deny the provided information because it doesn't fit your pre-existing opinion, that's on you.
I came up with the number myself.
Basically.
What new law do you propose that will keep criminals from killing each other? By definition these are people that are already predisposed to ignore or break laws.
I reject the idea that a history of varying degrees of crime makes someone's murder justified.
Why do we have laws of criminals will break them anyway. Why do you lock your doors if criminals are gna smash through your window anyway
Criminals doing biz with criminals.
Maybe you could counsel them not to shoot each other? Loan them your psychology 101 textbook?
That's not what the report says. All it states is that 76% of victims had a prior arrest. So some kid gets murdered in a robbery, but him because he got arrested once for pot possession?
Maybe it shouldn't be so easy for them to shoot each other.Maybe you could counsel them not to shoot each other? Loan them your psychology 101 textbook?
Last edited by Spurminator; 06-22-2016 at 03:16 PM.
Damn right! Say...why don't we make it against the law for them to shoot each other?
I guess there's nothing else we could possibly do, you're right. Legislating the means by which someone would acquire a tool to shoot someone is just too hard. It would be like legislating body-alcohol content and access to alcohol instead of just making illegal to kill someone while driving drunk. Can you imagine?
It's already against the law for criminals to buy guns.
In case you haven't seen the pattern yet, criminals don't give a what laws you pass.
Sometimes it's criminals shooting at criminals and hitting innocents though. My friend's wife was a victim of this while walking with their 9 year old son to the store.
Absolutely no argument that sometimes it's criminals shooting innocents but the majority of gun crimes are criminal on criminal.Sometimes it's criminals shooting at criminals and hitting innocents though. My friend's wife was a victim of this while walking with their 9 year old son to the store.
In case you haven't seen the pattern yet, we still have laws despite the fact they can be broken by criminals, but such laws typically lead to a reduction in those crimes.
You're playing the typical NRA talking point monkey that bases his argument on the point that banning all guns won't eliminate 100% of murders, so therefore all gun legislation is moot. I'm not suggesting we ban guns or that we can eliminate murder.
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