Cavs: Kyrie Irving......... Best PG in the NBA now?

[Killakobe81]

Yeah, I'm sure there's no special reason for Laker fans to try to paint Kyrie as the "true Finals MVP" who "carried" LeBron. It has nothing to do with any former Lakers players with overrated legacies that they're trying to protect by downplaying LeBron's accomplishments.

Which Laker fans are doing that?
Did I miss that part of this thread?
I did join late ...

[Killakobe81]

My bad, that was just whitemamba messin' with your head ...CN.
Using your same crap against you ...

[Kawhitstorm]

Kyrie was not the MVP but he hit the biggest shot of the finals (heck of any finals in the last 20 years)

Ray Allen's 3 is the biggest shots in the HISTORY of the Finals since the Heat were on the verge of losing the series, Kyrie hit a tie breaker in a game where the Duds didn't score a basket in the finals 4 minutes. (Even Horry's 3 against the Pistons might be a bigger shot)

[whitemamba]

Yeah, I'm sure there's no special reason for Laker fans to try to paint Kyrie as the "true Finals MVP" who "carried" LeBron. It has nothing to do with any former Lakers players with overrated legacies that they're trying to protect by downplaying LeBron's accomplishments.

god damn your re ed

My bad, that was just whitemamba messin' with your head ...CN.
Using your same crap against you ...

Hes blinded by his own stupidity.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Top 5 point guard in the NBA, the best point guard in the Eastern Conference, possibly the main reason LeBron came back to Cleveland.

We saw how important Kyrie Irving was to this team last season when Dellavedova started in his place. Outside of Game 2 Dellavedova was squashed in that series by Curry. There was no way Curry was going to outscore Irving by 20 ppg and hold Irving to 28% shooting like he did Dellavedova in Games 3-6.

[RsxPiimp]

I think cp3 is still better, its just amazing what a championship could do lol even guys like jr smith are suddenly adored but kyrie has definitely raised his stock. thing is he has always been an offensive juggernaut so it shouldn't be much of a surprise.

[DMC]

Ironically he credits Kobe for hitting the game winning shot. What does Jim get credit for? His hip style?

For 5 rings and 8 all time while Kobe is 12th and there are probably Chinese players ranked higher than Irving currently.

[whitemamba]

For 5 rings and 8 all time while Kobe is 12th and there are probably Chinese players ranked higher than Irving currently.

Here we go again

[lebomb]

Top 5 point guard in the NBA, the best point guard in the Eastern Conference, possibly the main reason LeBron came back to Cleveland.

We saw how important Kyrie Irving was to this team last season when Dellavedova started in his place. Outside of Game 2 Dellavedova was squashed in that series by Curry. There was no way Curry was going to outscore Irving by 20 ppg and hold Irving to 28% shooting like he did Dellavedova in Games 3-6.

Thanks man.........you get it.

I asked if Kyrie was the best PG in the league now. I didnt say he was. I didnt say he should have gotten the MVP. He had an outstanding series, and if Lebron didnt get the MVP, Kyrie should have.

[ambchang]

why are you so racist?

That comment was specifically about Kyrie and Kobe. I never thought I'd have to explain that but then I'm talking to you.

[ambchang]

You're not all the way wrong by any means, but at the same time Kyrie is still a young player and spent his first three seasons with one of the worst teams in the league in an environment that wasn't conducive to developing winning habits. He's a scorer and he's got the scorer's mentality, which can be a blessing and a curse. I'll be the first to admit that he has shot the Cavaliers out of some games over the last few years. And he's been a terrible defensive player for most of his career.

That having been said, he has unreal scoring ability- he can put the ball in the bucket in any way you can think of, long range, mid-range, in the post- he has the best handle I've ever seen and he has balls of steel in the clutch. In the last few minutes of Game 7 I was begging LeBron to get Kyrie the rock. As great as LeBron is, when it comes to taking one shot for a victory I want Kyrie taking it every time. And when he actually wants to play defense he can be very effective on that end, as we saw in the Finals.

I'm biased- the guy did hit the shot that gave us our first NBA le, after all- but he has all the tools to be the best PG in the game. He might not be there yet, but there's no reason he can't get there within the next few years.

Agreed with almost everything. But I think it's hard to get his mind straight. He's in the ilk of iverson and Steve franchise. More skilled, less cancerous but less physically gifted as well.

[Fabbs]

Kyries three was huge.
LeBrons back to back "treys" (pump faked to get 3 FTs followed by a regular trey) to bring the Cavs back were huger.

Plus, LeBrons came after two ill advised clunks by Kyrie. The second clunk, he followed his miss very late with an attempt to get the O rebound. All that did was led to a 4 on 5 easy bucket for Warriors.

He has a lot of basketball maturing to do.
In a league of suck ass point guards, he is top 3 no doubt.

[whitemamba]

That comment was specifically about Kyrie and Kobe. I never thought I'd have to explain that but then I'm talking to you.

bananas, gorillas in your avvy, talking about black people. Racist, maybe you haven't realized it yet.

[ambchang]

bananas, gorillas in your avvy, talking about black people. Racist, maybe you haven't realized it yet.

That's really a stretch. Bananas tastes great, I think it's the most eaten fruit in the world, or was that mangoes? So I am not sure how banana's can be considered racist when it is so widely consumed in the world.

I find it to be a majestic animal, so I am putting that as my avy. Broke my heart what happened in Cincinnati.

Not sure what you mean by me talking about different races, what did I talk about?

[whitemamba]

That's really a stretch. Bananas tastes great, I think it's the most eaten fruit in the world, or was that mangoes? So I am not sure how banana's can be considered racist when it is so widely consumed in the world.

I find it to be a majestic animal, so I am putting that as my avy. Broke my heart what happened in Cincinnati.

Not sure what you mean by me talking about different races, what did I talk about?

Def racist. How many trump rallies have you been to this year?

[Horse]

LMAO......... there are many saying he deserved MVP for the finals niggra!!! Kyrie came up clutch time after time against the GSW.

So then Parker was clearly the best point guard in the league after winning '07 MVP right?

[ambchang]

[QUOTE=whitemamba;8633861]Def racist. How many trump rallies have you been to this year?[/QUOTE

What is Def racist? How does enjoying bananas and admiring the majestic gorilla have anything to do with racism? You have really lost me there.

Also, everyone who joins Trump rallies are racists? I am not sure how life is down in the States and the, from my point of view, polarizing political system.

[whitemamba]

[QUOTE=ambchang;8633882]

Def racist. How many trump rallies have you been to this year?[/QUOTE

What is Def racist? How does enjoying bananas and admiring the majestic gorilla have anything to do with racism? You have really lost me there.

Also, everyone who joins Trump rallies are racists? I am not sure how life is down in the States and the, from my point of view, polarizing political system.

yes

[ambchang]

[QUOTE=whitemamba;8633889]

yes

Wow, that is pretty bad for your country. I always thought the great U S of A is the greatest of all nations. Hate to see it being brought down from within.

[Mark Celibate]

Irving is a SG trapped in PG's body imho. Dude would be better off if accompanied by a play-making PG who has size and plays solid D (like Kidd).

[lebomb]

So then Parker was clearly the best point guard in the league after winning '07 MVP right?

He was arguably in 2007. He was the best PG finisher at the rim and carried the Spurs to the championship in 07. Im not saying he was, but he was in the conversation.

[lebomb]

Irving is a SG trapped in PG's body imho. Dude would be better off if accompanied by a play-making PG who has size and plays solid D (like Kidd).

A PGs role in todays NBA has changed. Look at Rose, Lillard, Wall, Curry and Kyrie. They aren't the pass first guards like Stockton, Magic and Rondo. They have shooting and scoring ability with great handles. So you cant say Irving should be a SG. He is a PG that happens to shoot well.

[JoeTait75]

Kyries three was huge.
LeBrons back to back "treys" (pump faked to get 3 FTs followed by a regular trey) to bring the Cavs back were huger.

Plus, LeBrons came after two ill advised clunks by Kyrie. The second clunk, he followed his miss very late with an attempt to get the O rebound. All that did was led to a 4 on 5 easy bucket for Warriors.

He has a lot of basketball maturing to do.
In a league of suck ass point guards, he is top 3 no doubt.

Considering it was his first time in a Finals, I think Kyrie did awfully well even with some of the gaffes. Actually, I'd put more of the responsibility for the Game 4 loss on LeBron. I don't think Kyrie got the ball enough in the fourth quarter of that game. When the game is on the line and the Cavaliers need points fast, as great as LeBron is I want the ball in Kyrie's hands. He has the talent and the at ude to get it done in those situations.

[Fabbs]

Considering it was his first time in a Finals, I think Kyrie did awfully well even with some of the gaffes. Actually, I'd put more of the responsibility for the Game 4 loss on LeBron. I don't think Kyrie got the ball enough in the fourth quarter of that game. When the game is on the line and the Cavaliers need points fast, as great as LeBron is I want the ball in Kyrie's hands. He has the talent and the at ude to get it done in those situations.

Great. It remains the game is no where even close to "on the line" if LeBron does not make about 6 kick ass plays in last half of the 4th.

You thought LeBrons back to back threes were??

[Obstructed_View]

Considering it was his first time in a Finals, I think Kyrie did awfully well even with some of the gaffes. Actually, I'd put more of the responsibility for the Game 4 loss on LeBron. I don't think Kyrie got the ball enough in the fourth quarter of that game. When the game is on the line and the Cavaliers need points fast, as great as LeBron is I want the ball in Kyrie's hands. He has the talent and the at ude to get it done in those situations.

What a difference one shot in game 7 makes. Kyrie took like ten shots in the 4th quarter of that game and missed almost all of them. Many of those shots were his signature "heat-check-when-cold" shots.