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I like Kyle Anderson but don't think he's worth much.
Anderson I think can get us 21, it has to be Danny to get into the lottery, a proven player. ATL had liked Anderson a lot in 2014 and brought him in for workouts twice. Then they went and selected Adreian Payne. Maybe they regret that choice. Skinny 22 yr old forward playmaker can help their bench since they are promoting Schrooder to start. But he's not a proven guy to net 12 just yet, unless they are that generous. However, they look like they want to shed salary right? Cap issues always get me confused.
I like Kyle Anderson but don't think he's worth much.
Who is worth getting at #12? I haven't watched a second of college ball since the 2011 lockout ended.
Are they looking to trade the 12th pick for an expiring contract? I'm assuming if they want cap space, they want to completely clear it. They don't want to add another player w/ years and $$$.
TBH theres alot of talent in this draft, I have no idea how low some may drop. But for me Jaylen Brown, Denzel Valentine, Wade Baldwin. Denzel Valentine could be had at 12 I think and would be really solid. If we could get Jaylen Brown at point it would be crazy, he is probably top 5 though. Even in the high 20s thon maker, cheick Diallo could be good projects. I have no doubt the Spurs have done plenty of research and know the guy they want which may not be obvious to other people. Last time spurs were aggressive in the draft you saw how it worked out. They wont really try to move up in the draft every year, but when they do it generally works out.
Let me break it down for you. The consensus number one is the 6'10 version of evan turner, but a worse FT shooter. There is no one solid all around, outside of Buddy. Everyone else is not someone I would move up for nor could you build around. For the spurs to move up - they should dump parker, and then, it's only addition by subtraction. This draft is bad. If people think it's not, the nba is about to be even more-so than it already is.
This guy Juan Hernangomez just sounds like a guy who's destined to be a Spur tbh
Aside from Green straight up, this is the only other possibility (in this scenario, the deal couldn't be made official until a year to the day of them trading Splitter). Even then, it's difficult to imagine the Hawks giving up 12 without getting Mills, 29 or both.
I don't doubt that they want to re-sign Bazemore, but I also think that, if they could get Green, a better version, who'll make less going forward and knows the system, they'd do it.
Would be a great deal for the Hawks, tbh..only makes sense for the Spurs if they can hit a HR in Free Agency..otherwise, they're trading a key player on a great contract for a mid-range pick in what is essentially a move for the future..risky..
It would be a steal for the Hawks. They get another elite shooter, playoff performer and the top SG defender in the league.
For the Spurs, it could be win as well, but that is predicated on not only whom they draft, but what they do with the cap space. If they don't hit on both, it could end up really hurting. I can see why SA might do that if they can't move Boris/Mills and they really want cap space, but it's very risky.
Unless they have a guy in the draft they love like Kawhi, it makes it tough even though it's decent enough value.
But SA needs to move Boris/Mills/Tp before Danny - they just might not be able to. I'm hoping SA might just be able to flat out buy a pick with money in the late first.
Assuming Green's playoff performance salvaged his value(which is probable, considering his history), he's probably the only Spur with any value, so it makes sense to move him, in that regard..
I don't think Kyle Anderson has significant value, even at his attractive age, tbh..Diaw is a high-risk cancer on any team other than the Spurs, as we have seen in the past..Patty might have a little value, but I think we've seen enough to know that he's more of a situational player..
Don't they owe us for the splitter deal? We didn't get back anything for him but a prospect? I know they helped us out so we could land lma, but maybe now their gonna help us out and return the favor?
That would be a fantastic trade. You get a lottery pick to keep adding youth, get a big man you know fits very well and is needed (on a reasonable deal for just 2 years) and it doesn't do anything to hit your cap space (as is right now with Boris not waived).
You can still trade Mills or Parker (or maybe even Danny) to clear more cap space if you need too, so you are really worst case only adding 5M in salary (Boris' partial guarantee vs Tiago's contract) and you get the lottery pick and useful player.
If ATL goal is to clear cap space (which we don't know yet - but it's likely) this is a great way for them to do so.
But getting 5M in cap space for the 12th pick seems like a steep price to me (because they likely won't get any other players in the deal as that defeats the purpose). Might have to give them the 29th pick as well as Boris.
Half the board who thinks you can get the #12 for Parker hasn't watched an NBA game since 2013.
I was thinking this too, as Diaw-Splitter contracts work and Diaw would only cost $600k (albeit for 5 years) to stretch while Splitter would cost $2.8mm each of 3 years to split.
That said, would the Hawks really give up the #12 pick to save $2.2 million on the cap this year, and $5 million in aggregate?
No, it would only make sense for the Spurs if they think Baldwin (I'm guessing he'd be the target, just because he'd theoretically fill a blatant need that's not easily addressable in free agency) is good enough to make it worthwhile, because Afflalo/Lee would be the likely replacement and they'd be a downgrade.
my plan for them is the best plan. and "no top tier FA is going to atl based on history"? same with sa until we landed lma.
like i said, resigning horford only to go nowhere in the playoffs leaves them in the same spot they're already in.
if they tank this year whatever draft pick they get could be a valuable, tradable asset.
They don't "owe" us anything, maybe they have some understanding between the two teams that they would help each other out because of previous relationships. It was a good deal for both teams allowing the Spurs to lock up Aldridge most people didn't think was possible. I definitely see them trading it to the Spurs. The Spurs wanted to move up in the draft so I guarantee you they are already in discussion if they were going to deal it, its just a matter of who the hawks would want for it.
Agreed. That is my fear. Danny is so valuable to the Spurs/winning & he's on a great contract. If those other guys can't be moved to help the Spurs move towards their plan (whatever that may be) Danny may be the casualty which would suck.
I do think Boris has value because of his contract but that is situational and limits the numbers of teams that would value him for that.
Mills is definitely worth a late first rounder IMO. Based on the "Spurs player" alone mentality and he's a great teammate and people still remember him as an elite shooter.
Highway robbery - it's not like Teague is a spring chicken and going to get better.
12th pick gets ~$2 million per year for next three years ... totally cost controlled. Teague's $8 million this season would have ballooned to twice that under the new cap regime. So in essence, they're giving up one year of Teague and already have his replacement for a lottery ticket at the 12th pick.
NFL cap management being applied to the NBA. Well done Hawks.
Possibly, but if the Spurs are planning on a bigger fish (Conley, Durant, Horford, whatever, I don't know) then the trade is really viewed as Danny Green for 12th pick + That FA (since moving him allows the Spurs to sign that guy). It's not necessarily about who's replacing Danny (although I agree, it would be a big hole an likely downgrade unfortunately).
Yup - while it may (I stress may) hurt them a little from a basketball perspective it's too smart of a business move to pass up on. Especially when they now have so much more flexibility to not only make up for the loss of Teague basketball wise, but actually net improve their team as well.
Unlike the Knicks, who gave up assets for Rose for some reason.
The thing to keep in mind too and what doesn't make sense with regards to ATL needing to shed salary to sign guys is with moving Teague for just a pick, they should already have ample cap space to sign Horford and Baze. I don't get why people seem to think ATL needs to shed more money?
Maybe I'm just missing something but even guys like Zach Lowe seem confused.
Technically, that possibility would exist, but I don't see them getting a big fish, in which case it would come down to how highly they value Baldwin (or whoever you think the target is, if the noise about them wanting to move up is true).
One thing that's clear: It's going to require a bold move to attempt to upgrade the back court, just like it did 5 years ago to attempt to upgrade small forward.
I mean, I'm in the camp that thinks SA was not that far off last year. If they can make a few small moves, like trade Boris/Mills for late 1sts or for a player that fits, then SA can re-tool and still be damn good.
Even if SA could just upgrade the bench with 2 players (playmaking guard another shooter/wing defender) I think that makes SA really dangerous.
If they move Boris/Mills and can get a few picks or move up in the draft then use that cap space to sign another bench player upgrade they are in good shape.
Spurs do need PG help and that would be massive but it's going to be tough I think.
"Not that far off", is a relative term. They were a top five team and they will remain one with a few small moves, but they'll either stagnate or slip further from the top few because there's virtually no upside to this team.
What's worse, Parker, Ginobili and if he returns, Duncan, will be another year older and Parker and Ginobili will be playing in the Olympics, too.
Until they do something to attempt to acquire a core piece in the back court, they have no chance to win another championship.
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