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It depends on what they do in free agency, if PATFO are planning on signing a forward then Prince isn't going to get much playing time thus the pick would be better spent on a guard.
I really like Kyle (although only in its original position as pg), but as SAGirl is the biggest fan, has this opinion about Ben (which is basically Kyle on steroids), I wanted to ask why she thinks he will be a bust (of course it will not be LeBron, but it will be much better than Odom certainly)
It depends on what they do in free agency, if PATFO are planning on signing a forward then Prince isn't going to get much playing time thus the pick would be better spent on a guard.
I think Ben lacks intangibles IMO. He has been mentally weak, has given up in games. He has issues of compe iveness. The most damning is him relying on sheer athleticism to dominate and not adding a shot. He shrinks in big games. He put up empty stats in loses. He had big games (that would determine whether he would get into the NCAA tournament) where he didn't compete like he should have, without a single block or steal.... wth? Right? A guy with his athletic tools should be able to play better defense.
His disappointing NCAA season was blamed on coach and teammates instead of his own faults. Reminds me of Shabazzz Mohammed more than Anderson. Both insanely talented, freak athletes, scorers, but with disappointing NCAA seasobs seasons and overhyped. Very different players but equally overhauled IMO. The best thing for Shabazz was to have been picked 13. At that spot he was fine, but picture him as a 1st pick. Bust right? That's why I said it's relative.
In short, other than both being him and Anderson being forwards and passers they have nothing else in common. I think Kyle is a compe or who has overcome his lack of athleticism through a strong work ethic and compe ive desire + skill. He's never been a loser in any team. Not ever, even his rookie NCAA season when they played him off the ball and as a PF in the PAC 12. He was overmatched often, but he competed.... I think in the mental strength, leadership, compe iveness and work put in, Kyle surpasses him. if he had Ben Simmons athleticism, who knows what he could do, but Simmons doesn't have IT. Whatever it takes for a guy to make him a franchise player, a winner, a fierce compe or, Simmons lacks. He's athletic, and has a lot of talent and potential, but I see him as mentally weak, not a good leader, etc.
But it's relative, if he was picked 13th like Shabazz, he could very well surpass that spot and provide great value. But as a franchise player he will bust. I could be wrong of course. I don't know him and I may have misinterpreted his behavior and empty stats in games.
Edit: I thought of another comparison. A different forward. Kawhi Leonard. Not a loser either and competed regardless of the quality of his teams at SDSU. He would never put the failures of his teams on bad coaching or teammates. Kawhi is another example of having IT. The thing that makes franchise players, Kawhi had it. He wasn't overhyped when he declared but he had what it took to get to where he is.
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I would trade Anderson for a conditional second
I know you hate him objective but you also know that won't happen.
I'd say his ceiling is likely Odom, not "much better" and his chances of having an Odom Flameout is equally as likely.
If we don't get Durant offer Anderson plus whatever to the Hawks for Sefolosha so we can atleast have a legitimate backup SF for Kawhi.
I didn't post that it would happen. But I would be glad if he's gone, his style of playing like an old washed up guy irks me.
There really isn't a bunch of PGs in this draft toward the late twenties, early 30's Ulis might be the best available and his size is extremely concerning. From everything that I have heard he is actually a great play maker and can shoot and get to the rim and has a floater. This is a front court heavy draft, I would prefer they use their pick to add depth/ youth to the front court Prince would do that but there are others to consider (Zimmerman, Corneille, Diallo, Bemby, Hernanagomez).
Continuing to add size/ athleticism/versatility and length on the perimeter is always a positive adding Prince or Bemby along with Bertans to Leonard, Green, and Anderson would help us better match up with OKC and GSW going forward.
Cheap players with upside is never a bad thing, the opposite of having players north of 35 riding the bench.
Two rookies taken in the late 1st would be only about $1 million a piece with Bertans and two rookies that would be only about $2.5 million when you add Anderson and Simmons that is five players for about $4.5 million not only that but after next season the spurs would still have all five under contract for less than $5 million against a $110 million dollar cap.
There is a lot of buzz in here about ATL's 12th pick, but if George Hill can fetch #12 I wonder if Danny based package could fetch Toronto's #9.
Recently read an analysis on a Tonoto blog that the Raps have enough young talent now and could benefit from a pro to even out their roster.
You are absolutely crazy about Ben Simmons. He played on a terrible team in LSU. And made them what they haven't been since shaq was there. In my personal opinion I believe that simmons held back a lot last year as well. As he knew this was the ultimate goal and going to a school with no promise or history all he had to do was play well and not get hurt.
I believe the best of Simmons is to come!
Pop would be going senile if he let the roster sag with rookies. It'll never happen.
Desperate times without Tim Duncan (ora functionally retired Duncan if he resigns).
Still a 50+ team without Duncan. What are you talking about?
no one in draft is worth green imo - and i am not a fan of green
Brice Johnson anyone? We could use athleticism and rebounding in the paint.
Too small. We need a mobile center that can play the pick and roll and defend it. Athletic is a plus.
Brice is a potential Dennis Rodman in the making.
Can defend well. Has a nice post game. Has a decent stroke but doesn't project as a stretch four. Can't have a four that doesn't have elite physical tools and not be able to stretch the floor. I think he's a good prospect but I don't think he fits our biggest needs and that's a center and a playmaking guard. If we're looking at Brice why not Zhou qi. I think his rebounding will translate but I have a harder time believing that his post game will translate against bigger and better compe ion.
Rabies give us your run down of preferred picks. I don't know if you updated those in the think tank. I know you have been onto bigs even during the season. I have not been that disciplined. I have looked at more guards and ignored bigs entirely.
Pop has coached teams with two rookies on it before. Neal and Anderson and Leonard and Joseph. I do not think that its that big a deal the top 10 players in the rotation are likely going the 25 or older save for KA who is entering year 3
i like Bryce Johnson, my goodness, can the Spurs get this one??
Bryce Johnson and Thomas Robinson could be the twin power rebounders of the Spurs
DO IT RC!!!!!!!!!!!
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