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    RC Buford says due to how contracts will be signed, he's not sure yet if Murray will play on the Spurs' Summer League teams.


    Ugh... that.. this dude needs playing time

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    RC Buford says due to how contracts will be signed, he's not sure yet if Murray will play on the Spurs' Summer League teams.


    Well thats some !

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    Of course. Come on he has to play SL.

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    I really doubt that unless Durant takes forever to decide...or he's been told by Durant's camp he will take a couple of days to make a decision after visiting with teams.

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    RC Buford says due to how contracts will be signed, he's not sure yet if Murray will play on the Spurs' Summer League teams.


    This just means they have big plans for chasing big names. Need all the money free they can get.

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    This just means they have big plans for chasing big names. Need all the money free they can get.
    Also means, Diaw likely not being guaranteed and Spurs utilizing stretch provision on his 3 million. That's if they can't find a trade partner by the 29th.

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    Buford: "We were searching for talent that we can develop, build and grow in this culture and youth for our group is going to be important."



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    Patty+Kyle for Patrick Beverley, the Rockets just signed GP II so Beverley is as good as gone at this point. Patty fits D'Antoni's system & D'Antoni might be able to unlock Kyle like '05-'06 Diaw.

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    Buford: "We were searching for talent that we can develop, build and grow in this culture and youth for our group is going to be important."
    Biyombo:

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    Patty+Kyle for Patrick Beverley, the Rockets just signed GP II so Beverley is as good as gone at this point. Patty fits D'Antoni's system & D'Antoni might be able to unlock Kyle like '05-'06 Diaw.
    I'd kill for a pg of Beverley's caliber at this point.

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    Murray and Jamal Crawford are pretty close from what it seem. I'm not a big fan of Crawford, and doesn't really fit our system (Neither did Kevin Martin), but I wonder if the Spurs try to bring him in as that scorer/shooter off the bench we might need and of course be a mentor for Murray. Crawford had some good words about the Spurs when they drafted him.

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    Murray and Jamal Crawford are pretty close from what it seem. I'm not a big fan of Crawford, and doesn't really fit our system (Neither did Kevin Martin), but I wonder if the Spurs try to bring him in as that scorer/shooter off the bench we might need and of course be a mentor for Murray. Crawford had some good words about the Spurs when they drafted him.
    Murray isn't as much of a chucker as Crawford & actually plays defense.

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    RC Buford says due to how contracts will be signed, he's not sure yet if Murray will play on the Spurs' Summer League teams.


    ^^ This would be disappointing, but I am guessing it signals of FA additions needing to be signed first maybe.

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    Patty+Kyle for Patrick Beverley, the Rockets just signed GP II so Beverley is as good as gone at this point. Patty fits D'Antoni's system & D'Antoni might be able to unlock Kyle like '05-'06 Diaw.
    Frankly in that kind of system Kyle would be awesome. Think how he played at UCLA.
    But I doubt either guy is traded.

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    Bev is washed up and Patty is better than him.

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    Murray and Jamal Crawford are pretty close from what it seem. I'm not a big fan of Crawford, and doesn't really fit our system (Neither did Kevin Martin), but I wonder if the Spurs try to bring him in as that scorer/shooter off the bench we might need and of course be a mentor for Murray. Crawford had some good words about the Spurs when they drafted him.
    Good thing about Dejonte is that he's so young he's still in the formative stages of his game..ppl thinking he's going to dethrone Tony in his first season are off the mark though. He has a lot of work to do b4 becoming a rotation player.

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    Darren Wolfson: Villanova national champ PG Ryan Arcidiacono is heading to the #Spurs on a partially guaranteed deal, per source. Good spot for him.
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    whos this guy?

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    Darren Wolfson: Villanova national champ PG Ryan Arcidiacono is heading to the #Spurs on a partially guaranteed deal, per source. Good spot for him.
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    whos this guy?
    Another short guy for GSW to exploit.

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    THE SPURS YOUTH RESURGENCE:

    Kyle Anderson.............................. === The DYING MAN'S MAGIC JOHNSON

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    This just means they have big plans for chasing big names. Need all the money free they can get.
    ^^ This would be disappointing, but I am guessing it signals of FA additions needing to be signed first maybe.

    I think it means they are going to try to get Murry to sign a deal that has the first-year salary at less than 100 percent of the rookie scale (if they were cool paying him at least that much, they'd either sign him soon or at least tell him they've agreed to sign him). They haven't done this since Hill's contract, I'm pretty sure, though they might have also done something with James Anderson's deal. It certainly does imply that the team will pursue a free agent this summer. I think they'll get it sorted out by the time the Utah league happens, because honestly it's not worth it for them to piss Murray off over a couple hundred thousand. Plus, I assume Durant and Conley will know what they're doing by that point.

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    I think it means they are going to try to get Murry to sign a deal that has the first-year salary at less than 100 percent of the rookie scale (if they were cool paying him at least that much, they'd either sign him soon or at least tell him they've agreed to sign him). They haven't done this since Hill's contract, I'm pretty sure, though they might have also done something with James Anderson's deal. It certainly does imply that the team will pursue a free agent this summer. I think they'll get it sorted out by the time the Utah league happens, because honestly it's not worth it for them to piss Murray off over a couple hundred thousand. Plus, I assume Durant and Conley will know what they're doing by that point.
    I'm totally ignorant on such things, but how can they sidestep the rookie scale and pay him less? Isn't that what a rookie scale is for? Is there some loophole that allows them to do this?

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    I'm totally ignorant on such things, but how can they sidestep the rookie scale and pay him less? Isn't that what a rookie scale is for? Is there some loophole that allows them to do this?
    You can sign players for as low as 80 percent of the scale and as high as 120 percent. Most players get 120 percent. The Spurs are often the exceptions, as they were will Hill.

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    You can sign players for as low as 80 percent of the scale and as high as 120 percent. Most players get 120 percent. The Spurs are often the exceptions, as they were will Hill.
    Cheers. Thanks for the clarification.

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    Cheers. Thanks for the clarification.
    Indeed. Again, this would be a REALLY piss-poor move by the Spurs. Especially with the new cap, doing this will stick out like a sore thumb.

    Here's what Mark Deeks had to say about this practice way back in the day:

    http://www.shamsports.com/2012/08/ma...-and.html#more

    As most people are aware of in these days of increased cap transparency, first contracts for first round draft picks are (for their first three years after being drafted, at least) bound by the amounts set forth in the rookie salary scale. This is true no matter what your salary cap situation is. The 29th pick in the 2012 NBA draft has a rookie scale amount of $857,000 in the first year - the only scope for negotiation that teams, players and agents have is being able to sign for as much as 120% or as little as 80% of that.

    In practice, almost everybody gets the 120%, even when drafted late. The exceptions to this are very few and far between. But there have been some. In the doing I've been doing this, there's been all of seven. Sergio Rodriguez signed for only 100% in 2006, while the next year, Ian Mahinmi got only 80% in year one, rising to 100% in later years. Donte Greene got only 100% in 2008, whilst the man drafted two picks above him, George Hill, got 120% in his first two years then only 80% in the last two (an amount which was so small that it was actually smaller than the minimum salary, and thus had to be adjusted upwards to meet that). In 2010, James Anderson got a contract that paid up to of 120% of the scale in the first year upon meeting incentives, but only 115% in the second year, and would have only paid 117% in the third year had he gotten that far (yet that option year was never exercised). Yaroslav Korolev received 100% in his rookie year and 97% in his second (so designed so as to make the two years match each other), the Clippers managing to at least save some money on their wildly ambitious and eventually unsuccessful pick. And last year, MarShon Brooks signed for only 115% in the first year, then 120% thereafter, a move that saved his team $46,255. [NB: For more ardent followers, Cory Joseph met his incentives and got 120%.]


    It will be apparent that three of those six instances have been done by one team - the San Antonio Spurs. Anderson, Mahinmi and Hill was were all Spurs picks, and all exceptions to the 120% convention - the other common thread between them is that they were all drafted late in the first. Of those six, the highest selected was Anderson and #20; the other five was all the 25th pick or below. The Spurs have done it thrice. And they've done it bloody quietly.

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    Indeed. Again, this would be a REALLY piss-poor move by the Spurs. Especially with the new cap, doing this will stick out like a sore thumb.

    Here's what Mark Deeks had to say about this practice way back in the day:

    http://www.shamsports.com/2012/08/ma...-and.html#more
    Sounds like a good chance (based on precedence) that they'll do it again. Spurs have all the leverage. Did Kawhi get the full 120% on his rookie contract?

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