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    Nailed it.

    Yes, let's start getting rid of guns with high rates of fire, and large magazines.

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    i should be the only one allowed to have them.

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    getting rid of guns with high rates of fire, and large magazines.
    Too late.

    Damage is done and undoable.

    BigGun owns, will continue to own, more than enough politicians at all levels to block any profit-reducing regulations.

    If you have a way to "get rid of ...", say precisely how to proceed overriding BigGun's $Ms per year to politicians.

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    Nailed it.

    Yes, let's start getting rid of guns with high rates of fire, and large magazines.
    what determines a high rate of fire? The AR-15 that always seems to be the target of these bans doesn't have a significantly different rate of fire than many hunting rifles.

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    what determines a high rate of fire? The AR-15 that always seems to be the target of these bans doesn't have a significantly different rate of fire than many hunting rifles.
    The action of the firing mechanism. Ban semiautos and watch the gun makers try to semanticize their way out of it.

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    The action of the firing mechanism. Ban semiautos and watch the gun makers try to semanticize their way out of it.
    You'd then be talking about banning an enormous amount of handguns that are legitimately used for self defense in the home.

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    You'd then be talking about banning an enormous amount of handguns that are legitimately used for self defense in the home.
    Buy a revolver.

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    So you're telling the law abiding gun owners that their ability to defend their home has been diminished because you want to lump all semi autos together.

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    what determines a high rate of fire? The AR-15 that always seems to be the target of these bans doesn't have a significantly different rate of fire than many hunting rifles.
    More than 10 rounds a minute?

    That is still an order of magnitude faster than rates of fire when the 2nd amendment was written.

    Personally I am for repealing the 2nd amendment. It was a mistake, just like slavery.

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    So you're telling the law abiding gun owners that their ability to defend their home has been diminished because you want to lump all semi autos together.
    Yup. Deal with the cost.

    Because I think we have had enough mass shootings.

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    So you're telling the law abiding gun owners that their ability to defend their home has been diminished because you want to lump all semi autos together.
    I'm talking about banning sales. Every non-mouthbreather knows that the courts won't stand for allowing confiscation. Personally I use a pump action shotgun for home protection and I own several semiautos.

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    Yup. Deal with the cost.

    Because I think we have had enough mass shootings.
    How many millions are already in circulation (semi-autos)? We'll have to confiscate & destroy. There are too many already out there to keep them out of the hands of people who want to hurt other people. I have 5 that fit the criteria myself. Two handguns, two hunting rifles and a shotgun.

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    How many millions are already in circulation (semi-autos)? We'll have to confiscate & destroy. There are too many already out there to keep them out of the hands of people who want to hurt other people. I have 5 that fit the criteria myself. Two handguns, two hunting rifles and a shotgun.
    You can offer a buyback but the courts would never stand for it so why even bother trying to confiscate. I have several as well. You do what you can but not having a perfect solution is no reason to do nothing.

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    I'm talking about banning sales. Every non-mouthbreather knows that the courts won't stand for allowing confiscation. Personally I use a pump action shotgun for home protection and I own several semiautos.
    Exactly. So banning sales does what? Makes someone who would otherwise kill a bunch of people (break the law) not because he won't illegally obtain a semi-auto (break the law)?

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    You can offer a buyback but the courts would never stand for it so why even bother trying to confiscate. I have several as well. You do what you can but not having a perfect solution is no reason to do nothing.
    I get it; and maybe it works for some of these, but I think we've made a bed we're going to have to live in for a very long time.

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    Exactly. So banning sales does what? Makes someone who would otherwise kill a bunch of people (break the law) not because he won't illegally obtain a semi-auto (break the law)?
    Well it would have prevented the Orlando guy from buying his weapon and it would begin the process of reducing the supply of such weapons in general. The solution is not to flood the market with more.

    Again, it's not perfect because of the cons ution but it is a start and comprehensive to the handgun and semiauto weapon problem this country has.

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    Well it would have prevented the Orlando guy from buying his weapon and it would begin the process of reducing the supply of such weapons in general. The solution is not to flood the market with more.

    Again, it's not perfect because of the cons ution but it is a start and comprehensive to the handgun and semiauto weapon problem this country has.
    It would make mine move valuable...

    Can you imagine how many would be sold between the passing of the ban and the ban itself?

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    Yup. Deal with the cost.

    Because I think we have had enough mass shootings.
    The mass shootings are tragic. But you're talking about limiting millions of people's ability to protect their families based on maybe 500 deaths per year attributed to mass shootings.

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    "we have had enough mass shootings."

    ... a tiny %age of gun deaths and injuries per year.

    More Americans killed by guns since 1968 than in all U.S. wars, columnist Nicholas Kristof writes

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ars-says-colu/



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    "we have had enough mass shootings."

    ... a tiny %age of gun deaths and injuries per year.

    More Americans killed by guns since 1968 than in all U.S. wars, columnist Nicholas Kristof writes

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ars-says-colu/


    *yawn*

    Now take out the suicides and criminals shooting criminals.

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    How many millions are already in circulation (semi-autos)? We'll have to confiscate & destroy. There are too many already out there to keep them out of the hands of people who want to hurt other people. I have 5 that fit the criteria myself. Two handguns, two hunting rifles and a shotgun.
    We can figure out something.

    I harbor no illusions that all guns will go away, nor do I wish that to be the case.

    I just think we should make it more difficult to murder people.

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    *yawn*

    Now take out the suicides and criminals shooting criminals.
    ... and there are still plenty of corpses to lay at the feet of the NRA, and blood to fill a stadium.

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    *yawn*

    Now take out the suicides and criminals shooting criminals.
    doesn't matter. Guns make killing extremely reliable.

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    The mass shootings are tragic. But you're talking about limiting millions of people's ability to protect their families based on maybe 500 deaths per year attributed to mass shootings.
    ... and accidental gun deaths... and single murders...

    Gun violence in the United States results in thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5] for a total of 33,636 deaths due to "Injury by firearms",[6] or 10.6 deaths per 100,000 people.[4] 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms.[1][7]
    How many corpses are too many?

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    10 rounds a minute?

    these things are usually over after 8 seconds.

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