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West only played one season with the Spurs we all know the learning curve is at least a year. Diaw is better but his work ethic sucks he is a fat boy who just want to collect a check
Diaw was always better than West.
West only played one season with the Spurs we all know the learning curve is at least a year. Diaw is better but his work ethic sucks he is a fat boy who just want to collect a check
If the Spurs can teach Boban how to run the PnR at an acceptable level, and maybe design a couple of plays for him, the Spurs bench is going to cut a bloody swath through opposing benches.
I was really surprised at his lack of understanding on both ends of the floor, to be honest. He's obviously a beast when he gets the ball in the low blocks. But he spent a lot of his time on offense out in no-man's land, looking for someone to set a pick on. He would stop and clasp his hands over his balls, like he was about to take contact, but there was nobody there to screen. So basically he was just a great big ing pylon on a lot of plays. It wasn't hard for other teams to figure out to work him over when he did get around the basket, and to hawk the incoming passes to a stationary target.
I think he's already too old for them to turn him into a first-tier NBA center. There's just too much he obviously doesn't know. But I'm still hopeful that they can bring him to the level of a damn good backup. He's got a good, soft shooting touch and he makes his FT's pretty well for a huge guy. I'm sure the Spurs recognize his potential enough to invest a lot of time on him this offseason. I hope so, anyway.
Totally agree, but it sure looked to me as the season was coming to a close, he was displaying better recognition of where to be and was even setting a few effective screens.
Shoot- he even started to actually hold the ball over his head, which was a big problem for him for much of the season.
My main issue with him is his achingly slow reaction time, especially when it comes to rebounding. I don't know if that's just him, or, once again, he just needs time on the court to gain those instincts to stop thinking and just move.
Boban is fun to watch but I don't believe he should be seen as any sort of significant piece to the success of the team. He has way too many limitations to his game right now. If some other team wants to over-pay him, let him go. The Spurs have other pressing needs to address.
My wish list would include getting Allen Crabbe and Jeremy Lin to go along with Pau Gasol. If they can make the necessary moves to get this done, I would be thrilled. I consider everyone but LMA and KL a movable asset.
Two of those three and I'd be ecstatic but think they'll only have money for one.
Crabbe's a 40% shooter from deep, is a decent defender and is only 24. Only a possibility because he was the first pick in Rd 2 instead of end of Rd 1. He's due for more than Danny Green money.
Lin is a turnover machine, but gets to the hoop and is a good enough shooter - not good, but good enough to not be a total negative.
Maybe if Pop would've played him against the Thunder, we would've rang.
You have a good grasp for where he's at. I think he does have bad habits that are really hard to clean, like bringing the ball down allowing guys to swipe at it and get it from him. He also still falls for fakes and jumps into guys instead of just keeping his hands straight up when contesting shots. Those are just bad habits. Because he's older one wonders if he can clean those things up. Small things like that are the difference between just being ok or being a flat out stud. How good he can be is tied to small details like that.
Concerning screen setting, part of it was him being so careful not to bump guys. He did seem like he was dancing in space, not really setting a screen on anybody. At other times it was guards just flat out being impatient not waiting for him to set a proper screen before going around it, or not having good communication on where they wanted a pick set, so it seemed like Boban didn't really free up anyone. Finally its possible Boban didn't know sets very well and was out of position or timing on his screen setting. You are right that there was definitely an element of still being a little lost out there.
I think he will be better at these things, at least the ones that required familiarity with guards tendencies, sets and timing.
I think some on here are completely under rating Boban as a piece of the future. He had a relatively successful first year with the team and should only improve as he gains better understanding of the schemes in year two. I guess some forget that the second year is really the tell-tale sign of whether a player will have success in the system.
Yes I know he has limitations due to his size, but that size also presents opportunity as a mismatch if used correctly. I may be wrong, but I think the Spurs should and will do what's needed to keep him in the fold.
Caveat: Unless they get Durant. Then all bets are off.
They have a limit, I'd imagine. I don't think they want to be tied to a $20-Million third season like they could be if he gets Asik'd.
Except for last season when West outplayed Diaw while making a fraction of the money.
Telling y'all. Pop doesn't know what he has in Boban..... He's a ing beast and better than Whiteside.
but he brings the ball down next to the rim
I mean I like Boban too, but you're looking at numbers completely void of any context. Boban didn't even play 10 mpg, and the vast majority of his minutes came in garbage time against other teams' worst players. You can't just blindly look at numbers and start claiming he's better than other guys on that listTelling y'all. Pop doesn't know what he has in Boban..... He's a ing beast and better than Whiteside.
That being said, I do think Boban is legit (not better than Whiteside, but he could be one of the best backup bigs in the league). Hopefully some other team doesn't throw some ridiculous offer at him.
He owned Whiteside both times they metI mean I like Boban too, but you're looking at numbers completely void of any context. Boban didn't even play 10 mpg, and the vast majority of his minutes came in garbage time against other teams' worst players. You can't just blindly look at numbers and start claiming he's better than other guys on that list
That being said, I do think Boban is legit (not better than Whiteside, but he could be one of the best backup bigs in the league). Hopefully some other team doesn't throw some ridiculous offer at him.even got elbowed by him which ended up being a Flagrant 2
19 points, 4 rebounds, 9-12 shooting in 13 minutes matched up against Whiteside who was also in the second unit that game.
With the small amount of minutes he got this season, he couldn't have produced more than what he did. He's a stat stuffer. Based on last year alone, he deserves at least what Walrus Diaw is making right now tbh.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16...xt-big-bargain
Boban Marjanovic: Are you ready for a world in which a guy who played 75 percent of minutes in garbage time might sign a one-year, $8 million deal? You'd better be because Boban is coming to take your money, stomp on your city's tallest buildings and drip soft, righty hooks over defenders sniffing his armpits.
Seriously: Boban is skilled and massive, and he made guys such as Hassan Whiteside and DeMarcus Cousins look like fifth-graders guarding Billy Madison. He was probably San Antonio's best hard-roller after they dumped Tiago Splitter -- a gap that worried GM R.C. Buford before the season -- and he can pick-and-roll himself into fatal post-up position underneath the rim.
He drew nearly eight free throws per 36 minutes, and he can actually hit free throws. He shot an even 50 percent on post-ups, one of the best marks in the league, and he got to the line on nearly 20 percent of his post-up tries, 12th among 109 players who finished at least 50 such plays, per Synergy Sports. He would have led the league in offensive rebounding rate had he played enough minutes to qualify. He's a canny passer who clowns fools with snappy fakes. Ask Jahlil Okafor, and kindly ignore the happy feet.
He's surprisingly nimble on defense, provided he doesn't have to venture above the foul line. When pick-and-roll ball-handlers enter the Boban zone, they find a giant human, arms spread so wide that he blocks all passing lines while remaining a threat to vacuum up any floater. If ball-handlers scoot by him, Marjanovic uses his long arms to whack at the ball from behind.
Alas, life forces all of us out of our comfort zones, and teams with extra shooting can torture the big fella. Point guards who launch triples off the bounce are his kryptonite, since he has to lurch out an extra few steps to corral them.
A breakdown anywhere, by any of his teammates, sends the game into a sort of drive-and-kick frenzy that unfolds too quickly for Marjanovic. Opponents shot 62.5 percent on shots at the rim when he was nearby, a hideous number for a big man, in part because offenses attack the rim after they've busted a defense -- the sort of jailbreak Marjanovic isn't fast enough to snuff. He can be a weapon if the walls hold. He can't repair damage.
Meet the wrong small-ball team in the playoffs, and you might have to nail Marjanovic to the bench. But those are rare opponents. Big fellas can sustain in most matchups, especially if you pair them with skilled perimeter defenders who allow them to hang back.
Marjanovic isn't a mascot. He's a skilled player worth a look as a third big, and some team might pay a lot to investigate. The Spurs extended Marjanovic a qualifying offer this week, which means that for now, Marjanovic is subject to the so-called Gilbert Arenas rule for restricted free agents with only one or two years in the league; suitors can offer him only $5.6 million in the first year of any deal. If San Antonio needs cap space, it could rescind that offer and let Marjanovic into unrestricted free agency. Alert your cities.
Besting someone in an individual matchup twice doesn't mean he's a better playerHe owned Whiteside both times they met
19 points, 4 rebounds, 9-12 shooting in 13 minutes matched up against Whiteside who was also in the second unit that game.
With the small amount of minutes he got this season, he couldn't have produced more than what he did. He's a stat stuffer. Based on last year alone, he deserves at least what Walrus Diaw is making right now tbh.
I agree that he could certainly deserve $7-8 million. Just think it's a bit dumb to use his stats from last year to try saying he's better than other top centers in the league. Whiteside is a bit overrated, but are you seriously telling me if you could get both of them on identical contracts, you'd pick Boban instead? Sorry, that's just ridiculous to me.
Your hypothetical doesn't make sense because Boban wouldn't sniff anywhere near the money Whiteside is about to get, that's why I'd rather re-sign Boban because he's cheaper. Boban also isn't a head case cancer that doesn't know his role like Whiteside, tbh. Before you bring up how bad he is defending the P&R just know that Hassan is too.Besting someone in an individual matchup twice doesn't mean he's a better player
I agree that he could certainly deserve $7-8 million. Just think it's a bit dumb to use his stats from last year to try saying he's better than other top centers in the league. Whiteside is a bit overrated, but are you seriously telling me if you could get both of them on identical contracts, you'd pick Boban instead? Sorry, that's just ridiculous to me.
Hopefully he stays. From what we've seen he loves it here and he'd stay if the money is close.
Is that true? The most Boban can get offered for the 1st year of a deal is $5.6 million? If Boban can play 15 minutes a game as a 4th big that could be a real steal.
For the first two seasons, he can't make more than the MLE on an offer sheet. For the third and fourth years, however, he can make up to the 2016 max. We're looking at a team being able to offer around $58M/4
I laughed.
Bargain tbh
Obviously with all the talk around other international bigs they're getting prepared to lose him though. If that happens, I'm not gonna lie there might be some tears shed.
Then the playoffs came and west's contract was unbelievably high.
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