Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[ceperez]

Actually, there's a gold mine of scrubs out there that Spurs should pick up. They all happen to be from GSW.

Barbosa, Leandro G 33 13yrs UFA GSW --- --- ---
Barnes, Harrison F 24 4yrs RFA GSW --- --- Warriors extend qualifying offer to Barnes
Clark, Ian G 25 3yrs UFA GSW --- --- Warriors don't make offer to Clark, who becomes UFA
Ezeli, Festus C 26 4yrs RFA GSW --- --- Warriors extend qualifying offer to Ezeli
McAdoo, James Michael F 23 2yrs UFA GSW --- --- Warriors don't make offer to McAdoo, who becomes UFA
Rush, Brandon G 30 8yrs UFA GSW --- --- ---
Speights, Marreese F-C 28 8yrs UFA GSW --- --- ---
Varejao, Anderson

[Chinook]

I don't think it would have been such a problem, if the cap hadn't taken such a ridiculous jump in one year. And that got me thinking. You're all over the CBA and cap-related issues, so I have a couple of questions for you.

1. This big cap jump is because BRI ed last season, right? Could income really jump that much in one year, or was it some kind of accounting trick? I'm sure they artificially lowered income during the CBA negotiations, to some degree at least. But if their plan was to keep salaries down, why did they let them come roaring back all at once like this?

New TV contract starts this year. There is literally more money to go around for everyone. They did change the distribution during the last CBA negotiations, and that's in place now, or the cap would be even higher.

2. The only way all of this makes sense is if the small market teams got a share of that jump in income. So is any of this part of a plan to minimize the advantage that big market teams have?

Well, there was more revenue sharing added to this CBA. More importantly, the big TV deals are all split evenly among the teams. So yes, they all got pieces of the pie.

[jermaine]

I wouldnt mind Varejao, Speights, or Rush.

[NASpurs]

You know PATFO saw this coming and saw how these scrubs were going to get overpaid. This isn't even a good group of free agents either. Might as well save some of the space for next year as well as save some of the trade bait. And those contracts made before the cap jump are going to be highly sought after, for people saying that no one is going to want a certain point guard's contract because he's being over paid. Sure he might not get traded because of his status in the organization but it won't be because of his contract.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I wouldnt mind Varejao, Speights, or Rush.

[look_at_g_shred]

Same AF ^^^

[DPG21920]

From a name/fit perspective (assuming Spurs don't shock the world and land KD) it's Pau or bust on the FA market. There are some other good players that I would be OK with too, just talking bigger names.

[DPG21920]

I wonder how hard SA would look at Dirk (mold of Pau) and Festus? I know Festus might cost to much (same with Biyombo - although Biyombo should fetch more), but I wonder if something wacky like that happens.

[GSH]

Well, there was more revenue sharing added to this CBA. More importantly, the big TV deals are all split evenly among the teams. So yes, they all got pieces of the pie.

What I'm getting at - is this part of a plan to bring more "parity" to the league, like what the NFL did years ago? They didn't get surprised by the television contract, so they knew this jump was coming. But they didn't make ANY provision to smooth out this mess ahead of time?

You don't get surprised by a $2.6 BILLION! television contract. So they managed to hold salaries down for two years? So what? They also managed to un-balance the salary structure in the whole league. And the ripples are going to be felt for years. Because if DeRozan is worth $24M per year for 5 years, Steph Curry is worth $40-50M per year. But teams aren't going to have THAT much money to offer him. So we're STILL going to see good players getting paid just about as much as superstars.

I guess I just don't think they are completely stupid. They must have some reason for letting things go this way. And there's no doubt in my mind they had a pretty good idea of the TV contract when they were negotiating the CBA.

[TheGoldStandard]

I wonder how hard SA would look at Dirk (mold of Pau) and Festus? I know Festus might cost to much (same with Biyombo - although Biyombo should fetch more), but I wonder if something wacky like that happens.

Dirk and Pau would be amazing as far fetched as it would be.. Even as nostalgia of what the league once was.. Parker/Green/Kawhi/Aldridge Pau with Mills/Manu/Bertans/Dirk/Duncan off the bench..

[DPG21920]

Dirk and Pau would be amazing as far fetched as it would be.. Even as nostalgia of what the league once was.. Parker/Green/Kawhi/Aldridge Pau with Mills/Manu/Bertans/Dirk/Duncan off the bench..

Well there is no way that SA gets both realistically (it's possible but would require Dirk taking next to nothing since we know Pau's a** is not doing that ).

Was really saying in lieu of Pau going after Dirk.

[SpursFan86]

I wonder how hard SA would look at Dirk (mold of Pau) and Festus? I know Festus might cost to much (same with Biyombo - although Biyombo should fetch more), but I wonder if something wacky like that happens.

Dirk is too loyal to the Mavs. If he does end up leaving (which I find doubtful in the first place, even with Dallas striking out yet again in FA), I just can't see him going to a rival like San Antonio.

I think both Biyombo and Ezeli will be out of our price range. I mean we just saw Mozgov and Noah get $16 and $18 million per year respectively. Have to imagine Ezeli and Biyombo will be getting at least $14ish million a year. Can't see the Spurs moving that type of salary just to bring in one of those guys.

Someone who I haven't heard much about, however, is Pachulia. He's been really solid the past 2 years in Milwaukee/Dallas, and he might be a bit cheaper than those other two. If we can't bring in Pau, I wonder if we'll take a look at him.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I wonder how hard SA would look at Dirk (mold of Pau) and Festus? I know Festus might cost to much (same with Biyombo - although Biyombo should fetch more), but I wonder if something wacky like that happens.

I don't know why, but I almost feel that Cuban would be OK with (and perhaps even encourage Dirk, for Dirk's sake) to join the Spurs for a chance to close out his career with another ring. I definitely would not have said that 10 years ago, but things seem so different now.

[Chinook]

What I'm getting at - is this part of a plan to bring more "parity" to the league, like what the NFL did years ago? They didn't get surprised by the television contract, so they knew this jump was coming. But they didn't make ANY provision to smooth out this mess ahead of time?

It's not just the League's decision. The NBPA said no to any "cap smoothing" plan. They supposedly wanted this big jump in one season. I just don't know if they knew this would be the result. But yes, the League tried to lessen the blow by offering to bump everyone's 2015 salaries evenly using part of the anticipated increase. So as opposed to bumping up the cap, each player would get a few hundred thousand bucks added to their salaries. The leadership of the Players unanimously opposed that plan or anything like it.

Hence my original assertion. They can't have wanted this to the result. I don't get how the players are truely helped by having so much money tied in to mid-tier guys. Stars are going to be paid more, but not THAT much more. This will end in another lockout next summer. It has to.

[SpursforSix]

Well there is no way that SA gets both realistically (it's possible but would require Dirk taking next to nothing since we know Pau's a** is not doing that ).

Was really saying in lieu of Pau going after Dirk.

SF86 said it. Dirk's probably not leaving Dallas. However, Mavs fans would understand and forgive him for going anywhere except San Antonio. Dirk knows this and wouldn't do anything to hurt his relationship with the city of Dallas.

[DPG21920]

Dirk is too loyal to the Mavs. If he does end up leaving (which I find doubtful in the first place, even with Dallas striking out yet again in FA), I just can't see him going to a rival like San Antonio.

I think both Biyombo and Ezeli will be out of our price range. I mean we just saw Mozgov and Noah get $16 and $18 million per year respectively. Have to imagine Ezeli and Biyombo will be getting at least $14ish million a year. Can't see the Spurs moving that type of salary just to bring in one of those guys.

Someone who I haven't heard much about, however, is Pachulia. He's been really solid the past 2 years in Milwaukee/Dallas, and he might be a bit cheaper than those other two. If we can't bring in Pau, I wonder if we'll take a look at him.

I agree on the price - was talking more about fit/testing the waters for SA...

We shall see how it all shakes out. Spurs are at the low, low end of the FA totem pole money-wise.

[GSH]

Speights is a poor man's David West. At best. He hit a bunch of 3's this season. Don't count on it happening again, or anywhere else.
Why would we want Brandon Rush, when we already have Kyle Anderson? At least Anderson is taller.
Anderson Varejao.

Sorry. I know all those guys have their moments, and you can like whoever you want. But Speights was drafted right out of the Top 10 - maybe number 11. He's been a consistent under-achiever, and he drags down rebounds like a 2 guard. I hate Varejao, and that's just personal. Rush is one of those guys who will have a good game here and there, and if you see that game you think he might be a good addition. Maybe he would be, but I don't see it.

[GSH]

It's not just the League's decision. The NBPA said no to any "cap smoothing" plan. They supposedly wanted this big jump in one season. I just don't know if they knew this would be the result. But yes, the League tried to lessen the blow by offering to bump everyone's 2015 salaries evenly using part of the anticipated increase. So as opposed to bumping up the cap, each player would get a few hundred thousand bucks added to their salaries. The leadership of the Players unanimously opposed that plan or anything like it.

Hence my original assertion. They can't have wanted this to the result. I don't get how the players are truely helped by having so much money tied in to mid-tier guys. Stars are going to be paid more, but not THAT much more. This will end in another lockout next summer. It has to.

I come here to learn. Thanks. If the players knew this was coming, and wanted it, they really are stupid. But I guess athletes aren't exactly paid for their brains.

This really is going to things up for years. Maybe they will make some kind of adjustment, after seeing what it will mean. But even then, this year will be a hiccup in salaries for years.

[MaNu4Tres]

Word is Blazers will be going after Howard too. It made sense for them to swing for big fish this off-season and try to improve w/ upgrades oppose to matching Crabbe & Harkless.

I'm hoping SA turns some attention to Harkless after Durant stays in OKC.

[Kikoluna]

Again, stay on track, durant and Conley

[SpursFan86]

Again, stay on track, durant and Conley

I get that not everyone is knowledgeable about the salary cap and current state of the Spurs in that regard...but come on, these comments are just stupid.

[DPG21920]

Blazer plan is to pursue Dwight & Parsons. They would be letting go of guys like Vonleh, Harkless & Davis likely.

They should be able to keep Crabbe though which is huge (commons consensus).

[SpursFan86]

Blazer plan is to pursue Dwight & Parsons. They would be letting go of guys like Vonleh, Harkless & Davis likely.

Hmm, we were talking about centers earlier. Ed Davis would be a great deal on his current contract...$7 million a year for the next 2 seasons is really good value.

[GSH]

Word is Blazers will be going after Howard too. It made sense for them to swing for big fish this off-season and try to improve w/ upgrades oppose to matching Crabbe & Harkless.

I'm hoping SA turns some attention to Harkless after Durant stays in OKC.

Harkless got brought up last night, and I mentioned Ennis as a possible bargain in all this mess. I just saw some chatter that Ennis is probably going to get paid more than I thought (based on 9 good games with the Pelicans?). So I'm sure Harkless isn't going to be exempt from the insanity, either. The guys who get deals done early are getting fat. It's going to be interesting to see who is still standing when the music stops.

[tmtcsc]

For the most part we are watching desperate teams who won't win anything right now. They are aiming for respectability and putting butts in seats. Even with the larger cap, these signings are suspect. Also, no one has had to make financial room or sacrificed anything in terms of their roster to sign these guys. Teams like SA, GS and OKC will have to make maneuvers to free up room.

What's certain is that Pau Gasol will definitely be able to get more money elsewhere. If the Spurs are going to have a shot at him, they will need for him to take less. I think GS is the biggest threat. OKC will be too. They are trying to make moves to bring in Big names but once that fails, they may go after the Pau Gasols of the world.