How do you match up against Golden State now?

[r0drig0lac]

Durant is not coming out of GSW after 1 year, and he and Curry will have discounts to keep the strongest possible team, it is clear

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It might not be. It'll be between $18-23 Million. And sure, that's less than $30 Million, but it's not all that much less in this environment. That'll get them closer to $10-15 Million to replace Iggy and Livingston. Much more possible, but also not overwhelming considering the max slots that SA and Boston will have. That said, with OKC's collapse and LAC's impeding breakup, the league is going to be about as weak as it's ever been.

BasketballInsiders have it at $18,168,539. Their info is usually reliable, so if it's true they'll have a little room to operate.

Wonder if teams would be wary to deal with them the way they've been with the Spurs in the past. Once you get a reputation of a great FO that complicates matters when dealing with others.

[objective]

That means less than nothing. I'm talking about actual cap space.



I don't get why you're being obtuse about this. I don't mean to sound offensive, but it doesn't make sense. The Warriors are at $35 Million in salaries next year and $4 Million in roster charges (assuming they keep the holds for Curry and KD). So they would have $69 Million in cap space. Durant's max is $35.6 Million, so that pushes them down to $33.4 Million. Curry's max is $30.5 Million. So that leaves $2.9 Million in cap space. To put that into perspective, they couldn't even give Zaza an option, because he and McCaw would have put them over. , I doubt if West was even able to get an option this time around.

To say that a team who has four players, one prospect and only two $3 Millionish contracts to offer in a landscape where mediocre guys are getting $20 Million a year has nothing to worry about in terms of depth is absurd. We're talking about the same summer where three superstars and about a dozen other high-level guys will be available. We could easily see another "superteam" or two forming, including one in San Antonio. The Warriors aren't going to have such an obvious pick of ring-chasers next season if they fail to win it all this year.

(EDIT: I will say that I forgot about Curry's cap hold for some reason. That gives them a bit more money (provided the CBA doesn't change [which it may if the owners are seriously that concerned about what the Warriors are doing]) that gives them $10-15 Million in space. That's more manageable, but it's still not that great.)



Indeed, that's the reasoning, but it has no bearing on the reality.

nothing obtuse. And I don't mean to sound offensive, but I think you're in denial.

Curry's cap hold is going to be under 19 million. The cap will be 108. No one is being chased away other than maybe fading players like Iguodala, who could still sign cheaper. They're too vain to make the same mistakes Miami did of letting the tax cost them good role players with cutting a Mike Miller.

They're going to be loaded, period.

Just 48 hours ago or so I posted about how GS would be fine getting bodies as ring chasing bigs, and you responded that it didn't make sense. Well, they got bodies in a starter from a playoff team with an above average PER in Zaza and a significant rotation big from a playoff team in West without any caproom and they're not finished yet. There will always be ringchasers, and they will be okay with young players. The core 4 of Curry, Durant, Thompson and Green are all under 30 with many years of prime left.

Does that make sense now?

[edit - I typed this all out then cut and pasted into a reply with a quote before I saw your curry cap hold edit)

[MaNu4Tres]

I just hate how Spurs gave Gasol the 2nd year as a player option. It's going to ruin Spurs' flexibility next off-season.

Odds are Gasol doesn't have a better year than last year and he opts in.

He's going on 37 years old, and he won't see nearly as many touches as he did in Chicago. Only way I could see him increase his value is if he went to a situation like Chicago where his touches were maximized, in SA, playing with Aldridge and Kawhi, his touches will be very limited and he'll put up 11 and 8 with okay defense -- not enough to warrant opting out and expecting a bigger pay day -- especially considering he's 36 going on 37 years old.

If they were going to tie up money for next year too, the better play in the long run for Kawhi/Aldridge/Green's next 3-4 years was to go after Biyombo instead of Gasol -- even at the expense of 1 yr rental in Patty/ Diaw. IMO

[Chinook]

nothing obtuse. And I don't mean to sound offensive, but I think you're in denial.

Curry's cap hold is going to be under 19 million. The cap will be 108. No one is being chased away other than maybe fading players like Iguodala, who could still sign cheaper. They're too vain to make the same mistakes Miami did of letting the tax cost them good role players with cutting a Mike Miller.

I don't think it's warranted at all for GS to act like they are above the Heatles. Four straight Finals and two rings may well be better than what the Triple Triplets and their ball-kicking sidekick will do. You're missing my point about cap space, though. The Heat focusing on vets allowed them to ignore the cap (for years anyway). The guys they signed were mostly exceptions after Miller and Haslem.

The Warriors really won't have that type of leeway and may not until 2018. They have to hope they develop the right guys, and before you assume they will, remember that OKC drafted three superstars and another top player before having a long stretch of mediocre to bust picks. Right now, the Warriors have Looney, that big from Vandy and McCaw in their pipeline. We have no reason to assume any of those guys are going to be role-players on championship teams. None of them are as good as Chalmers or Norris Cole yet. I'm not inclined to say the Warriors are going to have great homegrown depth right now.

Just 48 hours ago or so I posted about how GS would be fine getting bodies as ring chasing bigs, and you responded that it didn't make sense.

And it still doesn't. In no way does signing Zaza and West mean they are prepared to handle the Spurs' bigs. Bogut graded out as the best defender in the NBA last season. That doesn't get replaced by ring-chasers very often. And please don't try to dress up Zaza. He's a huge step down from Bogut, though he'll help them a lot in rebounding.

There will always be ringchasers

Yes, there will be. But with the way OKC broke up, we may see a lot more compe ion for them. Sure, that foursome is great, but what about Paul/Leonard/LMA/Gasol or Thomas/Harden (assuming Houston wises up and trades him)/Ibaka/Horford, or Westbrook/Hayward/Griffin or really any combination of those guys or more? You think this is going to end with GS and everyone else for years? Of course not. There will be other superteams joining up to challenge them unless the CBA negotiations prevent it. Don't pull a Lacob; it's not going to take long at all for the league to catch up to the Warriors.

[NameLess Scrub]

You don't, it's over.

[NameLess Scrub]

In no way does signing Zaza and West mean they are prepared to handle the Spurs' bigs. Bogut graded out as the best defender in the NBA last season. That doesn't get replaced by ring-chasers very often. And please don't try to dress up Zaza. He's a huge step down from Bogut, though he'll help them a lot in rebounding.



Yes, there will be. But with the way OKC broke up, we may see a lot more compe ion for them. Sure, that foursome is great, but what about Paul/Leonard/LMA/Gasol or Thomas/Harden (assuming Houston wises up and trades him)/Ibaka/Horford, or Westbrook/Hayward/Griffin or really any combination of those guys or more? You think this is going to end with GS and everyone else for years? Of course not. There will be other superteams joining up to challenge them unless the CBA negotiations prevent it. Don't pull a Lacob; it's not going to take long at all for the league to catch up to the Warriors.

Well, Zaza should be enough to execute illegal screens and occasionally try to injure opponents
Maybe the system will allow him rank better as a defender.

I don't think the league will completely catch up to them. Apparently Lebron will try to bring Wade to the Cavs, but even that wouldn't be enough IMO.

The reason I think this, is because of the Warriors unique position of advantage, since they rarely lost last season, didn't win the le on arguably a fluke, and Curry doesn't make max money. I think it is possible that once Curry gets paid and somehow the team is finally constrained by money, GS will go back down to a level in which other teams will be able to beat them after their moves.

Barring injuries, I expect to dominate the league this year, even if they lose the rebounding or points in the paint match ups.

[objective]

And it still doesn't. In no way does signing Zaza and West mean they are prepared to handle the Spurs' bigs. Bogut graded out as the best defender in the NBA last season. That doesn't get replaced by ring-chasers very often. And please don't try to dress up Zaza. He's a huge step down from Bogut, though he'll help them a lot in rebounding.

Don't dress up Zaza? The Mavs don't make the playoffs with Zaza. Zaza isn't as good as Bogut, no. But the jump from Zaza to Bogut is a lot smaller than the jump from Barnes to Durant. In a big way. Zaza's defense will look a lot better with GS when he isn't having to deal with the Mavs crap defenders making his life harder.

And when it comes to the games, I like the Warriors chances of handling Pau and Aldridge on both sides of the ball than Parker or Mills against anyone on Golden State.

Yes, there will be. But with the way OKC broke up, we may see a lot more compe ion for them. Sure, that foursome is great, but what about Paul/Leonard/LMA/Gasol or Thomas/Harden (assuming Houston wises up and trades him)/Ibaka/Horford, or Westbrook/Hayward/Griffin or really any combination of those guys or more? You think this is going to end with GS and everyone else for years? Of course not. There will be other superteams joining up to challenge them unless the CBA negotiations prevent it. Don't pull a Lacob; it's not going to take long at all for the league to catch up to the Warriors.

It took a rare confluence of events to get this superteam off the ground. Having Durant come up at just the same time that the cap had it's huge explosion, Curry's cheap deal because of his prior ankle troubles ... the quality of the players vs dollar ratio is almost impossible to match with any other Superteam. Durant and Curry are two, what, top 5 players? No one else in your examples come close. And that's just the quality of the players. Can any other team possibly free up the room? Would the fit be as good?

This isn't Miami, where 2 ball dominant poor-shooting wings and an all-star big got together and had to work at figuring it out. , Miami added Miller that summer too. All that was left of the prior Miami was, Wade and Haslem? Maybe a couple of other tiny pieces? That team getting chemistry together was a big deal, because nobody had any chemistry! No one had played together. And the games didn't fit perfectly. This is so much bigger than Miami. There was debate over whether Miami would get 73. Golden State just did it WITHOUT Durant.

The Warriors already have that chemistry. They have the established team. 3 of their big 4 have GREAT chemistry together, 4 of 5 if you want to count Iguodala. All they have to do is work in Durant, who will fit perfectly as a shooter who doesn't have to dominate the ball, and let the dumb bigs do bigs work. It's absurd to think of the looks they'll get. The numbers are staggering. David Locke annoyed me today with his Diaw gloating but his other shows have been pretty stark in laying out how devastating it will be. The guys on the Dunc'd On podcast, who though Warrior homers are usually very even handed and stat based, literally giggled over how unstoppable the Warriors will be. Giggled like a schoolgirl, not even joking.

When you have what many would consider 4 of the top 15 players in the league, whose skillsets fit like a glove, all together, the other Superteams will be like the Garnett Nets. No threat.

It is the 5 stages of grief with fans all over the NBA. Denial over what bigs they can get, bargaining over maybe someday their luck will run out with ringchasers and spots 5-8 in the rotation, anger over the league and against Durant. Depression and acceptance will come.

[r0drig0lac]

When you have what many would consider 4 of the top 15 players in the league, whose skillsets fit like a glove, all together, the other Superteams will be like the Garnett Nets. No threat.

It is the 5 stages of grief with fans all over the NBA. Denial over what bigs they can get, bargaining over maybe someday their luck will run out with ringchasers and spots 5-8 in the rotation, anger over the league and against Durant. Depression and acceptance will come.

word, fans of other good teams are in denial, it's just a ridiculously perfect wedding

[r0drig0lac]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/c...ending_stories

[Texas_Ranger]

someone just needs to break Curry's legs and the Spurs will match up just fine.

[objective]

And I concede that I believed that Miami would steamroll the league. Their actual results showed the importance of chemistry and fit.

But the funny thing is, they nearly did steamroll the league. Despite the wonky fits and chemistry and coach bumping and Miller-cutting, they knocked down 4 straight finals appearances. And if Lebron had stayed and Bosh not had his health issues, no doubt in my mind that it would currently be at 6 in a row.

Despite the difficulties of figuring out who got the ball when, or Bosh having to adjust to a drastically different role than he had in Toronto, or the cheap owner using the amnesty, and all that jazz, they were an incredible team that was guaranteed a finals spot every year they were together. Sure, the east, but still.

The Warriors were better. But now they're adding Durant.

Spurs fans can hope and pray. Hope for injuries, however distasteful that may seem. Pray for suspensions, God knows they'll deserve some. Hope for something incredible happening with Pau, or Bertans, or Murray, or Ginobili ... Pray that Duncan's cartilage to heal, Pray for Parker turn back time. Hope that Green's shot is back. Hope Pop coaches up to his reputation. Pray Warrior egos somehow cause disruption.

Fingers crossed.

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs don't have to hope for injuries, they don't have to pray for failure of the other team. They just have to build their team and take their chances, just like every other team. It's sports. Nothing is guaranteed. Bigger favorites have lost, and bigger underdogs have won.

[Chinook]

Don't dress up Zaza? The Mavs don't make the playoffs with Zaza. Zaza isn't as good as Bogut, no. But the jump from Zaza to Bogut is a lot smaller than the jump from Barnes to Durant. In a big way. Zaza's defense will look a lot better with GS when he isn't having to deal with the Mavs crap defenders making his life harder.

And when it comes to the games, I like the Warriors chances of handling Pau and Aldridge on both sides of the ball than Parker or Mills against anyone on Golden State.

I think you underestimate the extent to which the Warriors' loss of bigs is going to affect them. They replaced Bogut, Ezeli and Speights with Zaza and West. They lost a great deal of size and defense. They're definitely going to struggle with size, just as they will struggle with their minute load. Smart teams will be able to ram that weakness down their throats. As far as the other end goes, it's not really a huge deal. People can talk about the upgrade from Barnes to Durant as much as they like, but the effect is the same. You defend them the exact same way you always did. People are overthinking this massively. This isn't fantasy basketball here.

When you have what many would consider 4 of the top 15 players in the league, whose skillsets fit like a glove, all together, the other Superteams will be like the Garnett Nets. No threat.

That's just silly. The Mavs took down a superteam with just one star, and the Spurs did with none (and should have done so twice). I understand that people think GS is like the Heatles on steroids, but the reason why both of those things happened is the same reason why GS is vulnerable. It doesn't matter how many stars you have, or how hard it is to guard them. You only get so many shots a game. If the Warriors lose the rebounding battle to the extent that the other team gets significantly more possessions, then the efficiency gap (which is just assumed, mind you), will not be as big of a deal. And for all the talk about how open everyone will be, the Spurs can absolutely lock down two of the Warriors' guys and force someone like Klay to beat them four times. Good luck with that.

It is the 5 stages of grief with fans all over the NBA. Denial over what bigs they can get, bargaining over maybe someday their luck will run out with ringchasers and spots 5-8 in the rotation, anger over the league and against Durant. Depression and acceptance will come.

I can simply shake my head at this. The Warriors just lost after being up 3-1. They'll NEVER be more favored for a le than they were then. To act like they can't be beaten is silly. Now, obviously they're favorites. But I would not be surprised at all if they lose this season.

[Chinook]

The Spurs don't have to hope for injuries, they don't have to pray for failure of the other team. They just have to build their team and take their chances, just like every other team. It's sports. Nothing is guaranteed. Bigger favorites have lost, and bigger underdogs have won.

There's a clearer path to beating them this season than there was last season. I think the margin for error is narrower, but they have an exploitable weakness. I think the 2014 Spurs would have had a great chance in a series against them, like great than 35 percent.

[DMC]

The Warriors have been recruiting him for a long time already, and he's already made up his mind during the free agency period. Durant only signed that 2-year contract with player option for the second year because they can keep paying him more as the salary cap continues to expand. He's not going anywhere else.

That's what "on paper" means.

[MaNu4Tres]

I think you underestimate the extent to which the Warriors' loss of bigs is going to affect them. They replaced Bogut, Ezeli and Speights with Zaza and West. They lost a great deal of size and defense. They're definitely going to struggle with size, just as they will struggle with their minute load. Smart teams will be able to ram that weakness down their throats. As far as the other end goes, it's not really a huge deal. People can talk about the upgrade from Barnes to Durant as much as they like, but the effect is the same. You defend them the exact same way you always did. People are overthinking this massively. This isn't fantasy basketball here.



That's just silly. The Mavs took down a superteam with just one star, and the Spurs did with none (and should have done so twice). I understand that people think GS is like the Heatles on steroids, but the reason why both of those things happened is the same reason why GS is vulnerable. It doesn't matter how many stars you have, or how hard it is to guard them. You only get so many shots a game. If the Warriors lose the rebounding battle to the extent that the other team gets significantly more possessions, then the efficiency gap (which is just assumed, mind you), will not be as big of a deal. .

I couldn't agree more with what you just said.

The general public LOVES offense and LOVES points points points and underrates defense. Warriors are losing elite interior D and replacing it with terrible interior D. That will be a problem for them.

As for the offense, Warriors were historically efficient last year maximizing touches for MVP Curry. There's no way he'll be able to manufacturer the same amount of production/effectiveness sharing touches with volume Durant next to him. As you said, you only get so many shots per game. I for one, am hoping West plays a significant role because not having a role man in the offense will hurt their open looks from the weakside and teams will take all that away and give up the pick n pop two from West.

[r0drig0lac]

If the Warriors lose the rebounding battle to the extent that the other team gets significantly more possessions, then the efficiency gap (which is just assumed, mind you), will not be as big of a deal.

this is a good point, though Kevin is an elite rebounder.

And yes, lose Bogut will make a difference (illegal screens, defense, QI), at least for a season

[DMC]

The Spurs don't have to hope for injuries, they don't have to pray for failure of the other team. They just have to build their team and take their chances, just like every other team. It's sports. Nothing is guaranteed. Bigger favorites have lost, and bigger underdogs have won.

Spurs didn't even meet the Warriors in the playoffs this season yet a lot of forum yap was dedicated to the fear of that matchup. We got beat down by OKC instead. Now the guy who beat us down joined the guys who we spent the entire season fearing the most. That's a hard pill to swallow and pretending it's just another day in the city is gas lighting. We're ed from a ring standpoint, but will do OK in the RS.

Injuries are all we have left going for us.

[Chinook]

I couldn't agree more with what you just said.

This just feels weird, don't you think?

The general public LOVES offense and LOVES points points points and underrates defense. Warriors are losing elite interior D and replacing it with terrible interior D. That will be a problem for them.

And it will. Their talent to make up for it most of the time, but it will be an issue. Like if Boban comes back, GS literally has no one who can guard him. The same would be true for Bourousis. And that's just talking man-to-man. Kawhi and Parker will have much easier times scoring when the help is coming from inferior defenders. GS' system will help a lot, but I think after another year of game-planning for it, teams will be ready to deal with it, just as they were with Miami's PnR D.

As for the offense, Warriors were historically efficient last year maximizing touches for MVP Curry. There's no way he'll be able to manufacturer the same amount of production/effectiveness sharing touches with volume Durant next to him. As you said, you only get so many shots per game. I for one, am hoping West plays a significant role because not having a role man in the offense will hurt their open looks from the weakside and teams will take all that away and give up the pick n pop two from West.

It's just a really big deal. People are blowing off the phrase "There is only one ball" as if it's just about sharing. It's not. It's about buckets. GS will be better at making them, but only marginally. And they'll be worse at stopping people from making them and at stopping people from stealing more opportunities to due so.

[objective]

I think you underestimate the extent to which the Warriors' loss of bigs is going to affect them. They replaced Bogut, Ezeli and Speights with Zaza and West. They lost a great deal of size and defense. They're definitely going to struggle with size, just as they will struggle with their minute load. Smart teams will be able to ram that weakness down their throats. As far as the other end goes, it's not really a huge deal. People can talk about the upgrade from Barnes to Durant as much as they like, but the effect is the same. You defend them the exact same way you always did. People are overthinking this massively. This isn't fantasy basketball here.

They can still add Speights as far as I know. I don't know if he's signed anywhere else. It'd be the minimum, but they can get him. And let's see who else they finally end up adding to the roster. If it's No-Name Player, then there might be a bigger risk. I don't think it will be.

And people defending Durant and Barnes the same ... Barnes did get some open looks he bricked hard. I like Durant's chances to improve on the results, quite a bit.

That's just silly. The Mavs took down a superteam with just one star, and the Spurs did with none (and should have done so twice). I understand that people think GS is like the Heatles on steroids, but the reason why both of those things happened is the same reason why GS is vulnerable. It doesn't matter how many stars you have, or how hard it is to guard them. You only get so many shots a game. If the Warriors lose the rebounding battle to the extent that the other team gets significantly more possessions, then the efficiency gap (which is just assumed, mind you), will not be as big of a deal. And for all the talk about how open everyone will be, the Spurs can absolutely lock down two of the Warriors' guys and force someone like Klay to beat them four times. Good luck with that.

The Warriors efficiency gap will be tremendous. The amount of open 3 pointers attempted per game by Curry and Klay last year was surprising, all due to their spacing. Even Durant shot a lot of open threes. Now altogether, it's a nightmare. Their Locke Offensive Ratings as a team, which measures how well a player uses an individual possession compared to average, was historic this past season. With Durant it could be an extinction level event. The efficiencies are no joke. They aren't a team that's only reputation or hype. It's real. They won a le, and if not for suspension and injury was moments from making it two in a row. They won 73 games (even with ref help, but still, 73 games). Better than Miami.

Yes, the Spurs have two defenders that could/should greatly impact Durant and Curry. What about Parker? They had two guys against OKC's big two, that didn't turn out so great.

I can simply shake my head at this. The Warriors just lost after being up 3-1. They'll NEVER be more favored for a le than they were then. To act like they can't be beaten is silly. Now, obviously they're favorites. But I would not be surprised at all if they lose this season.

You're not going to pretend that nothing at all changed for the Warriors after they were up 3-1, are you? Are you convinced that they still lose the series that went down to the final minutes if Green is never suspended and Bogut never hurt? Injuries are part of the game, sure, and if they are similarly injured (such as our mighty Zaza) or have a suspension (with Draymond), then yeah, the Spurs & the rest of the league have increased chances. But let's not forget ... they just added Durant instead of Barnes.

They might be the biggest favorites in NBA history by the time the season starts.

Where is the dispute?

I will concede, if there are injuries in their rotation, they are more gettable. Durant has broken a foot before. Iguodala had some issues. Curry's legs could be a problem.

Otherwise the Spurs will be major, major, major underdogs barring some sort of Bertans/Murray/x-factor revelation. I would bet on Bertans if I wasn't so su ious of Pop and how he treats rookies.

[objective]

Parker will have much easier times scoring when the help is coming from inferior defenders. GS' system will help a lot, but I think after another year of game-planning for it, teams will be ready to deal with it, just as they were with Miami's PnR D.

I have no faith anymore that Parker could score even if the Warriors were playing Ayres and West for 35 minutes on the interior.

There was more to Golden State's defense than Bogut, just like there was more to San Antonio than Duncan.

[Killakobe81]

you can't beat them, realistically, without injuries..

This isn't anything like Miami, this is a much more natural fit..

This.
they will need time to adjust.
I bet they overpass and force feed durant early on ...

But their 3 best scorers are all catch and shoot guys.
Green and Iggy are playmaking pass first forwards.

It took the heat longer because Wade and Lebron are both wired to playmake and are less system reliant because of their insane athleticism.
That state system is much more conducive to integrating durant.

[Chinook]

And people defending Durant and Barnes the same ... Barnes did get some open looks he bricked hard. I like Durant's chances to improve on the results, quite a bit.

It won't be quite a bit. Barnes was a good shooter for them. Durant would be too. KD is a really good shooter, but he's not legendary. If he's spotting up, it's just a token increase. That's not where he's supposed to make his money with the team.

The amount of open 3 pointers attempted per game by Curry and Klay last year was surprising, all due to their spacing. Even Durant shot a lot of open threes. Now altogether, it's a nightmare. Their Locke Offensive Ratings as a team, which measures how well a player uses an individual possession compared to average, was historic this past season. With Durant it could be an extinction level event.

This plays exactly into what I was talking about. It doesn't make sense. You don't get to add efficiencies together like that. You certainly don't get to bump them all up. They are playing together, sharing one ball against one defensive scheme. They have two MVPs on their team, and neither player has ever shied away from tough shots. They're not going to stop now. Think Durant is going to come in and dominate as a spot-up guy is hilarious almost. They could have saved a ton of money and just signed Morrow if that's what they wanted.

Yes, the Spurs have two defenders that could/should greatly impact Durant and Curry. What about Parker? They had two guys against OKC's big two, that didn't turn out so great.

The Spurs didn't lose the OKC because of perimeter defense. They more than did that part. They couldn't score to save their lives for the most part. And now that's fixed, and hopefully it gets more than fixed if Parker can figure out how to contribute. And Tony on Thompson is more than fine. If GS goes away from the spot-up shooting you fear so much to post up guards, that's completely fine with me.

They might be the biggest favorites in NBA history by the time the season starts.

...

Otherwise the Spurs will be major, major, major underdogs barring some sort of Bertans/Murray/x-factor revelation. I would bet on Bertans if I wasn't so su ious of Pop and how he treats rookies.

This is whatever. I don't have an issue with it. But teams aren't in denial for not giving up. Even Vegas is giving the Warriors about a 30-percent chance to win it all. How on Earth is taking the field irrational?

[RD2191]

Wasn't Timmy like 37 when the Spurs beat the Heat? Spurs should be fine.