FBI Clinton investigation - Comey delivers statement

[CosmicCowboy]

It's like the police coming out and saying someone driving drunk shouldn't be prosecuted because they didn't intend to get drunk when they went out that night.

[mrsmaalox]

What is the actual evidence, and provide me with some past examples of similar cases, so that I can evaluate the claims she is being treated differently.

Just a personal anecdote for you RG: My husband was the senior ranking (Lt. Col) medical officer at the Surgeon General's office from 2001 (he was working at the Pentagon on 9/11) until 2004 when he was deployed to Iraq as part of the team sent to "fix" the Abu Ghraib mess. He shared many email chains with those of the highest security clearances. His stories about the absolute nightmare the IT crews lived under Donald Rumsfeld would shock you. The Pentagon is chockfull of 60 to 70 yr olds who can't work a smart phone They had to assign a personal IT guy to sit by Rumsfeld to help him open and send emails Of course since his political enemies weren't interested, his "negligence" (ie "bumbling") was just routine day to day Pentagon operation.

Presently my "hasbeen" is with the Warrior Resiliency Program, a HUGE IT nightmare because it provides telebehavior counseling to active duty soldiers all over the globe. I've had the opportunity to chat with providers and IT folks socially and Hillary's email scandal is a common topic at the 2 parties I've been to. I never heard anyone say anything except "Eh, they can't nail her with this because everyone does it". Because it's all about "intent". Negligent does not mean intentional. Although there was careless handling of classified information, there is no proof that information from Rummy or Clinton ended up in the possession of anyone with a lesser security clearance. Where as Petraeus directly gave classified do ents (intent) to someone of lesser security clearance, legally he should be the one in jail. But he got a plea deal so that right there set the precedent for Hillary.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Although there was careless handling of classified information, there is no proof that information from Rummy or Clinton ended up in the possession of anyone with a lesser security clearance. Where as Petraeus directly gave classified do ents (intent) to someone of lesser security clearance, legally he should be the one in jail. But he got a plea deal so that right there set the precedent for Hillary.

Clinton gave her lawyer a thumb drive with classified information on it.

[mrsmaalox]

Clinton gave her lawyer a thumb drive with classified information on it.

As part of the investigation, not post sex pillow talk. I know you don't want to see a difference but there is.

[ducks]

Repugs' witch hunting of Hillary have produced the usual nothing, just like their 60 repeals of Obamacare.

While Repugs' are stuck with tar-baby Trash, and probably don't have the balls to dump Trash at the convention.

you have to admit she lied about the emails !

[TheSanityAnnex]

As part of the investigation, not post sex pillow talk. I know you don't want to see a difference but there is.

You think he had clearance for that information?

[boutons_deux]

you have to admit she lied about the emails !

You have to admit GENERAL Petraeus gave classified info to his buddy, and copped a plea, instead of prison.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The excuses here by some are shameful.

[ducks]

You have to admit GENERAL Petraeus gave classified info to his buddy, and copped a plea, instead of prison.

the problem with the liberal they instead of answering the question say something a republican does

[FromWayDowntown]

Because it is not the FBI's job to determine if the case should be prosecuted. It is their job to present the evidence and let the Justice Department decide whether to pursue prosecution.

I would think that in a lot of cir stances, local police officers who do the underlying factual investigation of crimes that lack eyewitnesses are asked by prosecutors to make recommendations -- non-binding recommendations, of course, but recommendations nonetheless -- about whether those officers believe the developed evidence is sufficient to support a prosecution. This is really no different; the FBI investigated the allegations, developed the evidence that Comey outlined yesterday, and made a recommendation to DOJ based upon that proof about where the case should go from there. That recommendation isn't binding, but it also isn't unwarranted.

It's like the police coming out and saying someone driving drunk shouldn't be prosecuted because they didn't intend to get drunk when they went out that night.

Except that DUI doesn't require a showing of intent to obtain a conviction.

[CosmicCowboy]

I would think that in a lot of cir stances, local police officers who do the underlying factual investigation of crimes that lack eyewitnesses are asked by prosecutors to make recommendations -- non-binding recommendations, of course, but recommendations nonetheless -- about whether those officers believe the developed evidence is sufficient to support a prosecution. This is really no different; the FBI investigated the allegations, developed the evidence that Comey outlined yesterday, and made a recommendation to DOJ based upon that proof about where the case should go from there. That recommendation isn't binding, but it also isn't unwarranted.



Except that DUI doesn't require a showing of intent to obtain a conviction.

No intent was required.

18 U.S. Code § 793

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any do ent, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this le or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

[Reck]

The excuses here by some are shameful.

C'mon man, this is over.

Time to move on to something else. May I suggest....the Clinton's foundation.

[CosmicCowboy]

C'mon man, this is over.

Time to move on to something else. May I suggest....the Clinton's foundation.

Good idea but the fix will be in there too. She will have already been President for two years when they finish that one.

[FromWayDowntown]

No intent was required.

So what? I wasn't commenting on the law of handling confidential do ents, and I wasn't using the word "intent" in reference to the crimes that were alleged against Hillary. I was using it in response to your analogy that a drunk driver could avoid prosecution by claiming to have not intended to get drunk.

At that, gross negligence is (contrary to the spin most talking heads want to put on it) a term that connotes (or is expressly defined) to involve something akin to a conscious violation of other people's right to safety. In tort law, you don't get to gross negligence just by showing that somebody did something stupid and reckless; you have to show that the tortfeasor was objectively aware of the danger to others involved in his actions and that with awareness of that danger to others, proceeded anyway with the tortious conduct. Once you get to the point of requiring awareness or consciousness of the danger your conduct poses to others, you're all but requiring a showing of intent. Acting irresponsibly can be gross negligence in some instances, but as a matter of law it is not gross negligence in every instance.

[boutons_deux]

Comey listed points, as have several others in the past months, that could have gotten Hillary indicted. NONE of them were met.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Comey listed points, as have several others in the past months, that could have gotten Hillary indicted. NONE of them were met.

They were all met, and laid them all out clearly. Seems obvious to me they told Comey they wouldn't prosecute so this was his way of getting their findings out to the public.

And for those who keep claiming there was no intent lol

[Reck]

^Unclassified?

That one is a useless email exchanged.

[TheSanityAnnex]

^Unclassified?

That one is a useless email exchanged.

That is the heading from the IG case, not the original email. Clinton clearly tells Sullivan to scrub the classification and send unsecure.

[ducks]

Comey listed points, as have several others in the past months, that could have gotten Hillary indicted. NONE of them were met.

are you that much of a homer for the liberals

I am upset at both parties

[TheSanityAnnex]

C'mon man, this is over.

Time to move on to something else. May I suggest....the Clinton's foundation.

This is just getting started

Clinton was hoping this would be over. A recommendation to indict would have surely buried all of this information until the election was over. Comey's move was brilliant and Obama/Clinton can do nothing to stop him now. He's already agreed to testify before the House committee, he'll just keep repeating all of the felonies she's committed and Clinton will be tried in the court of public opinion.

And the Foundation has always been the big fish, now he's got more manpower and resources to focus on that. You do remember Comey was unsuccessful going after the Clintons during Whitewater don't you. Comey is playing Washington DC chess.

[CosmicCowboy]

This is just getting started

Clinton was hoping this would be over. A recommendation to indict would have surely buried all of this information until the election was over. Comey's move was brilliant and Obama/Clinton can do nothing to stop him now. He's already agreed to testify before the House committee, he'll just keep repeating all of the felonies she's committed and Clinton will be tried in the court of public opinion.

And the Foundation has always been the big fish, now he's got more manpower and resources to focus on that. You do remember Comey was unsuccessful going after the Clintons during Whitewater don't you. Comey is playing Washington DC chess.

You are living in fantasyland. That can got kicked way down the road. Comey will be gone when Hillary gets elected and a Clinton justice department will never allow Clinton to be indicted.

[Reck]

This is just getting started

Clinton was hoping this would be over. A recommendation to indict would have surely buried all of this information until the election was over. Comey's move was brilliant and Obama/Clinton can do nothing to stop him now. He's already agreed to testify before the House committee, he'll just keep repeating all of the felonies she's committed and Clinton will be tried in the court of public opinion.

And the Foundation has always been the big fish, now he's got more manpower and resources to focus on that. You do remember Comey was unsuccessful going after the Clintons during Whitewater don't you. Comey is playing Washington DC chess.

If she makes it to the WH, it won't matter.

Comey is the one who could find himself out of a job if she gets there.

The public's opinions are already known. She has abysmal favoribility ratings. Most people know she's full of and most people will still vote for her over Trump just based on how much more tier Trump is.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You are living in fantasyland. That can got kicked way down the road. Comey will be gone when Hillary gets elected and a Clinton justice department will never allow Clinton to be indicted.

This was Comey's only move and I think it was genius

[TheSanityAnnex]

If she makes it to the WH, it won't matter.

Comey is the one who could find himself out of a job if she gets there.

The public's opinions are already known. She has abysmal favoribility ratings. Most people know she's full of and most people will still vote for her over Trump just based on how much more tier Trump is.

This was about keeping her from the WH.

[boutons_deux]

This was about keeping her from the WH.

of course it was. And that Repug strategy started long before tar baby Trash took over. Benghazi and all the other witch hunting was all about destroying the Dems, not about governing America, about which the Repugs don't GAF.