Player-fan betting on our best player to continue improve>>>>>>>>>>Stupid troll saying he can't drive or finish when stats show otherwise.
About the MVP award...Doesn't matter if Kawhi wins it or not, the most important thing is we need him playing at that level to make this team better.
It's all about the Spurs winning as a team over individual success
It's all about the Spurs winning as a team over individual success
exactly
It's all about the Spurs winning as a team over individual success
29 replies and outside the fan bois no one else thinks Kawhi has a shot an MVP
I mean, of course, if we get the number one seed it's very likely. But the goal is a championship not indiv awards.
This is not an outrageous bet tbh
Nobody knows with all that moves but he was a top 2/3 pick for MVP last year there is no reason to not believe he is one of contender next year.
Curry/Durant chances are a question mark at this point but I don't buy those two will see drop in production because they have to play together. They had basically 4 scorers: green, klay, curry and Barnes. Barnes and Green will see their production drop and that will let Curry, Durant and Klay doing most of the scoring load. Durant averaged 30 with Harden and Westbrook in the team.
Lebron is also obviously a candidate... Cavs will finish 1st in the East, after last year ring, Lebron made it clear who is still best player in the league... a new 25 7 7 line and you have the favorite imo
If Westbrook stays in OKC he will have a free pass to do the he wants BUT at the same time, OKC could struggle and his selfish way could cost him votes. I would not be surprised to see articles about how his selfishness lead KD to leave and cost the franchise its future.
Kawhi will be Spurs daddy even more and Spurs will be second in the west. It will be all about GSW and Spurs, no teams have a shot at those 2.
I'd say in terms of odds:
1. Lebron
2. Curry / Kawhi
3. Durant
4. Westbrook
HM: Harden even if media are not fooled anymore by his lack of defense and inefficiency...
It's Westbrook's to lose. He has everything going for him, the media, the drive, the stats...Kawhi has no chance unless he improves even more as an offensive player...
If Thunder are top 4 in the West, he's the top candidate. Otherwise, I'd lean towards Lebron unless he coasts.
If Spurs somehow grab best record, it's Kawhi's. But only in that instance.
Kawhi isn't going to be the most valuable player in the league this season. But taking into account how they select them? He could get the votes. They won't want to give it to Curry again, if they can avoid it. And besides, some of Curry's thunder is going to be stolen by his teammates. Kawhi SHOULD be the best player on a team that stands to be weaker than last season. That SHOULD help his numbers overall.
It would help Kawhi's case a lot if the Spurs turn out to be a very good defensive team. Then they could justify giving him the MVP because of his contribution on both ends. If the team isn't good defensively, it will be a lot harder to do that.
At this point, LeBron is the one to beat for MVP without any question. A few other players could easily enter the discussion, if their teams have great years. Westbrook and Harden in particular. If either one of those guys carry their teams into the WCF, they are going to be in the discussion, for sure.
So hard to say. Did Durant and Currymuncher rule themselves out of the MVP race with that bull move Durant pulled. Westbrook will average a 60 point triple double, write that down, but his team may not be good enough for him to contend. So with Curry and Durant out of the running, and Westbrook having to fight his ass off just to make the playoffs i'd say it's out of LeBron and Kawhi.
Considering how often the Media Valuable Player wins the Finals...
don't care.
Barnes?
Last I checked they Dominos is going to replace Barnes:
He averaged 30 when Harden/Ibaka were ROOKIES.Durant averaged 30 with Harden and Westbrook in the team.
His situation is similar to Paul Pierce when he was playing w/ Ray Allen/KG/Rondo except in a faster paced offense. Dominos/Wardell will most likely average 25-27 & Klank about 20-22 with Gaymond chipping in about 12-14. So I could see them combining for 90.
Another example is the 2003-04 Mavs who actually had 5 guys who could averaged 20 on a playoff team & a high paced offense. (Dirk at his peak had his PPG drop by 4)
Carmelo finished 2nd in MVP in 2013 & actually was the reason why LeBron wasn't the unanimous MVP so if Harden can get the Rockets to the 3rd seed he could be the Steve Nash MVP.HM: Harden even if media are not fooled anymore by his lack of defense and inefficiency...
well son, that's my point, Barnes last year was fourth scorer of GSWBarnes?
Last I checked they Dominos is going to replace Barnes:
Durant averaged 28 ppg in 11/12 with Harden playing 31 mpg with 17 ppg and Westbrook with 24 ppg for 35 mpg, that's 69 ppg with those 3. You can imagine a GSW with Klay around 20 and both Curry and Durant around 28-30. The 10 points gap is ok considering GSW scores 10/12 points per game than 11/12 OKC squad. So Durant maintening his average is totally possible. I think it exists a scenario where Green will be relegated to a Ibaka role tbh offensively around 10 ppg but with certainly more assists.He averaged 30 when Harden/Ibaka were ROOKIES.
His situation is similar to Paul Pierce when he was playing w/ Ray Allen/KG/Rondo except in a faster paced offense. Dominos/Wardell will most likely average 25-27 & Klank about 20-22 with Gaymond chipping in about 12-14. So I could see them combining for 90.
Another example is the 2003-04 Mavs who actually had 5 guys who could averaged 20 on a playoff team & a high paced offense. (Dirk at his peak had his PPG drop by 4)
Not sure I see the parallel with Steve Nash.
Anyway, Harden antics have been mocked heavily last couple of years and two way players are being celebrated recently (Lebron, Kawhi) so thats just my pov I don't see Harden being in serious conversation for MVP next year if he does not change his well deserved of lazy selfish player.
^oh and surely Carmelo is defensively challenged but not harden challenged tbh
Durant going to the Warriors definitely helps Kawhi's odds at the MVP a lot, but i'm not sure if he'll ever put up the numbers to get MVP justification. I expect him to average 22-23 and 7-8 rebounds, which are great numbers, but to me he'll always be a player whos impact will always far exceed his numbers. Unless someone who wasn't in the conversation for the award this year comes into the picture next year, the award will come down to Lebron, Kawhi, Russ, or one of KD/Steph. If Kawhi gets his scoring up to 25 a game and we win 60 this year or close to it I think he'll get it, but I'm not sure if his scoring will jump that high. It'd be awesome to see him get MVP and DPOY in the same season though.
Westbrook definitely has the best narrative for it right now though. And if its not going to be Kawhi, I'd like to see Lebron get it. Clearly established himself as the best player in the league last playoffs, and if the cavs get the 1 seed and close to 60 wins they should give him the award assuming he averages 25, 7, 7.
You stated "Barnes and Green WILL see their production drop" as if Barnes is STILL on the roster.
Harden was averaging 10 FGAs & was essentially playing point guard much like Manu. Klay isn't playmaker, he's looking to shoot much like Kevin Martin in 2012-13.Durant averaged 28 ppg in 11/12 with Harden playing 31 mpg with 17 ppg and Westbrook with 24 ppg for 35 mpg, that's 69 ppg with those 3. You can imagine a GSW with Klay around 20 and both Curry and Durant around 28-30. The 10 points gap is ok considering GSW scores 10/12 points per game than 11/12 OKC squad. So Durant maintening his average is totally possible.For Dominos & Curry to average 28-30 each, Klay would have to accept a JJ Re role on offense.
Along w/ Iggy, Gaymond is actually going to be left WIDE OPEN like Harrison Barnes b/c teams aren't going to help off Dominos or Klay.I think it exists a scenario where Green will be relegated to a Ibaka role tbh offensively around 10 ppg but with certainly more assists.
It's quite possible that Harden is going to have a crazy on/off number playing in a system that's heavily reliant on playmaking guards as he's the only playmaker on a team that just overpaid for two shooters.Not sure I see the parallel with Steve Nash.
Harden was being mocked during the Summer of 2014 & ended up being voted the Player's MVP the following season. If he can have a similar season then the door is open for the Rockets to finish w/ a top 4 record now that OKC is out of the picture.Anyway, Harden antics have been mocked heavily last couple of years and two way players are being celebrated recently (Lebron, Kawhi) so thats just my pov I don't see Harden being in serious conversation for MVP next year if he does not change his well deserved of lazy selfish player.
Wasn't he #2 in voting just this last season?
Like in the Real World, he was voted #2. Just last season.
What makes this possibility so unbelievable if he's shown to improve significantly every single year?
Derrick Rose averaged 24pts & 7asts while shooting 44% when he won the MVP over PEAK LeBron. Assuming the the Duds get the Heatles treatment, there is a good chance Kawhi could win MVP if the Spurs are a 60 win team & LeBron just cruises during the regular season.
NBA writers love a "story" and there is no better story than Westbrook's. He'll have the stats, the wins (because the NBA is so weak, etc... It's his to lose and it's not even close
put them in the same bag but yes you're right it is incorrect to act as if he was still on the rosterYou stated "Barnes and Green WILL see their production drop" as if Barnes is STILL on the roster.
harden, westbrook and durant were worth 50 FGAs per game. To maintain their average those 3 need 57 FGAs not that crazy taking into account pace. 11/12 OKC shot 79 FGAs per game, GSW is at 87 +8. So yeah again. Seeing durant around his average with GSW is a real possibility.Harden was averaging 10 FGAs & was essentially playing point guard much like Manu. Klay isn't playmaker, he's looking to shoot much like Kevin Martin in 2012-13.
well I guess we will have our answers next year. I globally disagree with what you are saying.Along w/ Iggy, Gaymond is actually going to be left WIDE OPEN like Harrison Barnes b/c teams aren't going to help off Dominos or Klay.
well except that in 15/16 Harden had quite similar stats than 14/15 but he was hardly mentionned in mvp talk this year.
GSW will have a higher pace but Dominos isn't going to play 38 minutes a night nor maintain the same usuage rate.
Except Harden was mediocre during the first month of the season (shot 40% & averaged 5 turnovers) when the Crockets were expected to challenge the 24-0 Duds.well except that in 15/16 Harden had quite similar stats than 14/15 but he was hardly mentionned in mvp talk this year.
'14-'15 vs '15-'16
WS: 16.4 (led the league = MVP) vs. 13.3
WS/48: .265 vs .204 (lowest since his 2nd season)
On/Off (ORtg): +14.0() vs. +8.3
GSW will have a higher pace but Dominos isn't going to play 38 minutes a night nor maintain the same usuage rate.
Except Harden was mediocre during the first month of the season (shot 40% & averaged 5 turnovers) when the Crockets were expected to challenge the 24-0 Duds.
'14-'15 vs '15-'16
WS: 16.4 (led the league = MVP) vs. 13.3
WS/48: .265 vs .204 (lowest since his 2nd season)
On/Off (ORtg): +14.0(
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