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    How would he have been forced not to recommend an indictment? You're just making up dude. Back your up with facts and quit with the bull tbh.

    If if he would have recommended indictment it would have been devastating for her campaign and it would have been compounded by lynch sitting on the details of why he recommended. Your theory is moronic.
    How would he have been forced? Is that a serious question? Lol

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    How would he have been forced not to recommend an indictment? You're just making up dude. Back your up with facts and quit with the bull tbh.

    If if he would have recommended indictment it would have been devastating for her campaign and it would have been compounded by lynch sitting on the details of why he recommended. Your theory is moronic.
    Do you think honestly think Lynch would have indicted had he recommended it? Do you think Obama would have allowed that considering he was actively campaigning with her as the sitting President? Can you name the last sitting President to do that?

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    IMO, this has nothing to do with intent or any of that, and everything to do with likelyhood of winning a trial and obtaining a conviction. And analysis like that happens all the time in pretty much all cases before going ahead and pressing charges.

    There's zero doubt that such test isn't applied evenly when the alleged perpetrator is a petty criminal, a megamillionaire, or a public figure. This case isn't an exception to that. You might not like that system (I particularly do not), but that's how it works.

    That doesn't excuse Shillary's actions, at all, but those looking for the "coverup" angle, I think, are deeply misguided, mostly feeding their inner red teamer frustration.
    So you too believe Bill Clinton was just in PHX to golf in 110 degree heat and he and Lynch just talked about their kids.

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    How would he have been forced? Is that a serious question? Lol
    Yes. It's a serious question. Please answer it.

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    So you too believe Bill Clinton was just in PHX to golf in 110 degree heat and he and Lynch just talked about their kids.
    I think they talked about her s and his balls

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    i agree with this. And your last statement is exactly where CC, TSA are living...just another emotional tailspin completely unhinged from logic and reason.
    You've yet to even give your own opinion on why you think Comey did what he did. Political hit? Yes? We are in agreement.

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    Do you think honestly think Lynch would have indicted had he recommended it? Do you think Obama would have allowed that considering he was actively campaigning with her as the sitting President? Can you name the last sitting President to do that?
    wheter or not she would have been indicted is irrelevant. As I've said multiple times the optics of recommended indictment compounded by the administration sitting on the evidence would be politically disastrous one only a complete moron would be live it.

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    Yes. It's a serious question. Please answer it.
    Obama.
    Now answer all the questions I asked, please.

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    wheter or not she would have been indicted is irrelevant. As I've said multiple times the optics of recommended indictment compounded by the administration sitting on the evidence would be politically disastrous one only a complete moron would be live it.
    I've asked you three questions twice now. Just answer them.

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    You've yet to even give your own opinion on why you think Comey did what he did. Political hit? Yes? We are in agreement.
    Absolutely a damaging blow to Hillary, but that's because he knew there would be no conviction even if the DOJ pursued it.

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    Obama.
    Now answer all the questions I asked, please.
    How is Obama going to force the director of the FBI to not recommend an indictment? Be specific.

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    Absolutely a damaging blow to Hillary, but that's because he knew there would be no conviction even if the DOJ pursued it.
    And why would there be no conviction?

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    How is Obama going to force the director of the FBI to not recommend an indictment? Be specific.
    You don't with the guy who appointed you and you do as he says, pretty simple.

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    I've asked you three questions twice now. Just answer them.
    If the Director of the FBI recommended an indictment I think there would be significant political pressure for the DOJ to pursue an indictment. I don't pretend to be able to predict how that would play out.
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    And why would there be no conviction?
    That was explained upstream by ElNono.

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    You don't with the guy who appointed you and you do as he says, pretty simple.
    Obama is in the last 6 months of his presidency and Comey can be the director of the FBI for the next 7 years if he so chooses. Your explanations don't hold water.

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    That was explained upstream by ElNono.
    I asked you directly, be specific.

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    If the Director of the FBI recommended an indictment I think there would be significant political pressure for the DOJ to pursue an indictment. I don't pretend to be able to predict how that would play out.
    That was one, two more to go.

    Do you think Obama would have allowed that considering he was actively campaigning with her as the sitting President? Can you name the last sitting President to do that?

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    I asked you directly, be specific.
    There was no chance of winning a trial and obtaining a conviction against Clinton. Analysis like this happens all the time in pretty much all cases before going ahead and pressing charges.

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    Issa asshole, ing up government is Repug idea of being in office

    Darrell Issa challenges House GOP to “shutdown the government” over Clinton email investigation: “Are you willing to shutdown all business of the people for this?”

    Darell Issa is apparently still a little salty over being pushed out of his chairmanship over the House Oversight Committee in favor of a young and ambitious congressman. Hours after his replacement, Utah Republican Jason Chaffetz,announced an unprecedented hearing into the FBI’s recommendation not to pursue criminal charges against Hillary Clinton over her use of a private email server as secretary of state, calling Director James Comey to Capitol Hill to testify this week, Issa attempted to one-up his replacement.

    Calling previous Republican-led government shutdowns over things like Obamacare “small points compared to the actual balance of our republic,” the California Republican who once vowed never to vote for a government shutdown, called for one over the FBI’s email investigation.

    “I received and accepted their unanimous recommendation that the thorough, year-long investigation be closed and that no charges be brought against any individuals within the scope of the investigation,” Attorney General Loretta Lynch said in astatement after meeting with FBI Director James Comey Wednesday.


    “The administration is covering its own backend,” Issa alleged on SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Daily Wednesday. “That is the crisis we face.”

    “We are in a crisis because Hillary Clinton, if the voters do not stop her, will be the next President of the United States,” Issa, who has claimed that “there is more than enough for an indictment,” said.

    “She will, in fact, on day one say, ‘Pardon me,’ and she’ll mean it. She’ll have pardoned herself,” he quipped.


    Issa then called on Breitbart listeners to demand a government shutdown over the FBI’s failure to recommend criminal charges against Clinton.


    “We cannot simply wait for a president that is willing to voluntarily sign away some of his or her own power,” Issa insisted.“We should be willing to shut down the government if the president won’t limit his power.”

    http://www.salon.com/2016/07/06/darr...ople_for_this/

    What the asshole means is

    “We should be willing to shut down the government if a Dem president, to whom we deny any and all legitimacy, doesn't do exactly as we Repugs dictate.”

    Of course, it was head Cheney who conceived and pushed for the Unitary Executive, of course, that's only a REPUG Unitary Executive.


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    That was one, two more to go.

    Do you think Obama would have allowed that considering he was actively campaigning with her as the sitting President? Can you name the last sitting President to do that?
    i dont know what Obama would have done, but I do think you're underestimating the impact of a recommendation for an indictment from a sitting director of the FBI who just concluded the investigation.

    WRT what the last sitting president did in this situation, I don't know that there is any precedent for this particular cir stance. Feel free to inform me if you have more details.

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    There was no chance of winning a trial and obtaining a conviction against Clinton. Analysis like this happens all the time in pretty much all cases before going ahead and pressing charges.
    Why was there no chance? in your opinion.

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    i dont know what Obama would have done, but I do think you're underestimating the impact of a recommendation for an indictment from a sitting director of the FBI who just concluded the investigation.

    WRT what the last sitting president did in this situation, I don't know that there is any precedent for this particular cir stance. Feel free to inform me if you have more details.
    And I think you are underestimating the impact the sitting President has over his FBI appointee.

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    Why was there no chance? in your opinion.
    Because there was no evidence of intentional mishandling, disloyalty, or obstruction of justice that would hold up in court.

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    So you too believe Bill Clinton was just in PHX to golf in 110 degree heat and he and Lynch just talked about their kids.
    It doesn't matter what you or I believe. ^that kind of rhetorical statements reek of estrogen and bitterness.

    What matters is that in almost every case evidence is gathered and before a decision to press charges is made, that's weighed against the likelihood of winning the case. That doesn't excuse what she did, nor excuses the fact that we're sold "Justice for all", but justice has a lot to do with who you are or what kind of lawyers you can afford.

    Cases like the Trayvon Martin one, where a conviction doesn't happen, are a huge waste of time, taxpayer money, and for some prosecutors a damn near career killer. You might not like the system to work like that (I don't), but that's how it actually does work.

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