Official 2016 Summer League Thread

[td4mvp2k]

This just in Coach Nick says "Dejounte Murray can be a Lock Down Defender as Good as Tony Parker."

lol if thats right then they made a mistake tbh

[Mr. Body]

Actually disappointed in STers for cheering the wrong things. I've never seen a more anti-Spur player on an SL team. Maybe Denmon that second go-around where he was so desperate to be noticed that he was a cancer. I'm glad that Murray was efficient in his attempts tonight, but we already know he's not normally that efficient. So you have to look at how he fits into a team context, and I'd say it didn't look good so far. You don't expect a rookie to come in and do everything right, obviously. But he's like the Bizarro Arcidiacono right now. Everything that Arc does right, Murray does wrong, and vice versa.

Maybe the staff told him to get out there and get to the hole to get a feel for this level? Good Christ, jump off a bridge already.

[Mnky]

I'm really surprised other people are ignoring it. The dude doesn't pass. I mean, I know we talking about Parker not passing. But seriously, Murray doesn't pass.

Let's also mention his high efficiency, which means his choice not to pass was arguably the best choice to make.

[emanueldavidginobili]

He's going the same route that Cojo took... straight to Austin this year and the next. So don't get too excited.

Cojo turned out just fine and id take him on this team right now any day.

[SAGirl]

I'm really surprised other people are ignoring it. The dude doesn't pass. I mean, I know we talking about Parker not passing. But seriously, Murray doesn't pass.

Doesn't have a PG type game. Could be a project for Pop if he tries to turn him into something else. Russell Westbrook project type? Caveat: I missed the first half so I really didn't see the entire game.

[Chinook]

A point guard who can get to the rim. We've been after that since Tony lost a step. No idea about his court vision, and we know Chip will have to work on his shot, and Pop on his decision making. But the dude's 19. The talent is evident. No guarantees of course. But you're really disappointed with this debut?

I'm not disappointed. I'm just not excited. I'm satisfied that he looks like he can physically play minutes in the NBA (which wasn't obvious based on scouting reports). He's a project, and I think he showed he's worth the investment. But people thinking he makes Simmons expendable are way off base (and I am like the biggest Simmons critic on here). And especially over Patty. He'd stick out like a sore thumb on the real club right now. We're not used to low-efficiency chuckers, as much as certain posters assume we have one starting now.

[Juan]

Actually disappointed in STers for cheering the wrong things. I've never seen a more anti-Spur player on an SL team. Maybe Denmon that second go-around where he was so desperate to be noticed that he was a cancer. I'm glad that Murray was efficient in his attempts tonight, but we already know he's not normally that efficient. So you have to look at how he fits into a team context, and I'd say it didn't look good so far. You don't expect a rookie to come in and do everything right, obviously. But he's like the Bizarro Arcidiacono right now. Everything that Arc does right, Murray does wrong, and vice versa.

Lol, if I were ing all over myself about him, you wouldn't care about me "judging him". I said nothing about writing him off. You can see a ton of talent there. But this wasn't the game people think it was. He isn't displacing anyone in the rotation based on performances like these.

LOL don't worry. This is the same guy who constantly ted all over Leonard his first two years in the league. Don't even deny it bruh. Constantly downplayed his ability and impact until he got so good you looked like a fool.

[TheGreatYacht]

Did you want him running the offense when he just joined the team you stupid .

He's talking about the low IQ posters wanting him to start in the NBA. If he won't have the ball in his hands, he's useless. He can't shoot. He's a project and he won't go against Terry ing Rozier every night.

[Mr. Body]

They wanted Simmons to play a lot of minutes in SL to see what he had learned and how his game has developed. As much as I'm pulling for the guy, he makes terrible decisions. Nobody who makes 9 TOs in a game against SL compe ion is really capable of playing big minutes in the NBA. That;s why his minutes dropped last season after the coaches got a read on him. Apparently he learned nothing. Still puttting his head down and trying to bull through. Sometimes it works and he does have an ability to finish--but his passing and handle are still subpar.

He got one turnover tonight. Maybe that's what they wanted him to work on the most? Not worry about shooting percentages or whatever? When will people realize the SL is an incubator and learning environment?

[Mugen]

Actually disappointed in STers for cheering the wrong things. I've never seen a more anti-Spur player on an SL team. Maybe Denmon that second go-around where he was so desperate to be noticed that he was a cancer. I'm glad that Murray was efficient in his attempts tonight, but we already know he's not normally that efficient. So you have to look at how he fits into a team context, and I'd say it didn't look good so far. You don't expect a rookie to come in and do everything right, obviously. But he's like the Bizarro Arcidiacono right now. Everything that Arc does right, Murray does wrong, and vice versa.

I just watched Fathead and Simmons hero ball every time they touched the rock tonight but Dejounte looked anti-Spur?

Kid is 19yo, just signed his contract today, and balls out in his NBA debut and you expect more? He'll have plenty of time to learn the system when he's in Austin this upcoming season. Summer league isn't really the best place to judge bball IQ but he definitely passed the athleticism test from what I saw.

And tbh if the "Spur" definition of PG play is to be foreign and unathletic, I'd want Murray to be as anti-Spur as possible....

[Chinook]

Let's also mention his high efficiency, which means his choice not to pass was arguably the best choice to make.

Lol. I'm sure he'll think that when he's shooting in the 30s as well.

[Atl Spur]

This was the BEST possible outcome.... I'll explain. This ending will serve two fold hopefully in the young pups development. He rolled out of bed with the skills he displayed to today ( which were impressive ) but now pop has a teachable moment opportunity for him! Remain humble and focused at all times because if you don't the NBA will eat you alive. Defense needs work ( Keep your hands up to face guard or make him shoot over your outstretch hands; don't try to ever block a jumpshot ) and quit going under screens!!
Offense he will refine with chip, pop, and reps!
I like the kid, he has fire and you can't teach that aka Kawhi Leonard!

[Spur-Addict]

I'm really surprised other people are ignoring it. The dude doesn't pass. I mean, I know we talking about Parker not passing. But seriously, Murray doesn't pass.

Perhaps the staff has something to do with this. They could've said just go out there and play. But you could see the change in chemistry early on that had an effect on overall team play. I'm sure he'll be instructed to alter certain aspects of his game.

[SAGirl]

I'm not disappointed. I'm just not excited. I'm satisfied that he looks like he can physically play minutes in the NBA (which wasn't obvious based on scouting reports). He's a project, and I think he showed he's worth the investment. But people thinking he makes Simmons expendable are way off base (and I am like the biggest Simmons critic on here). And especially over Patty. He'd stick out like a sore thumb on the real club right now. We're not used to low-efficiency chuckers, as much as certain posters assume we have one starting now.

I do think he makes Simmons expendable because I considered Simmons a project anyways. One is going to be 20 and the other is 27.

[Mnky]

I care about the learning experiences that is why I wanted Anderson and Simmons to play up to Vegas and all. SL les are meaningless, but coaches won't forget bad play.. they will show it to you and motivate you to improve. It wasn't just the fouling by Murray at the end, he lost the guy for no reason, looking around to see what was happening, when he could have just stuck to his man to deniy the pass... just doesn't know how to play yet.

If he's doing the same thing next season, then he's in trouble.

That was help defense he left his man for. Like you said good experience. A big shot loss will teach better than a speech.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Lol, if I were ing all over myself about him, you wouldn't care about me "judging him". I said nothing about writing him off. You can see a ton of talent there. But this wasn't the game people think it was. He isn't displacing anyone in the rotation based on performances like these.

Of course not, not at 19 years old but he is still shows some potential for the future and that's all that matters.

[dabom]

Tony Parker all he ever needed to do was drive. Not pass. Not shot the 3. Not shoot the jumper. Not defend. He just needed the drive.

He doesn't have it.

This kid has that. And very very young. I can live the mistakes as long as he gets better. I heard the same about Kawhi until he had a full arsenal.

This kid will continue to improve and the posters will keep moving the goalpost.

[SAGirl]

I do think there was an element of just letting Dijon play freely, he hadn't practiced with the team due to contract issues and doesn't know these dudes at all. So he came in and showed his game: basically get to the basket.

[Chinook]

LOL don't worry. This is the same guy who constantly ted all over Leonard his first two years in the league. Don't even deny it bruh. Constantly downplayed his ability and impact until he got so good you looked like a fool.

I don't think he's a superstar, especially offensively. I've been impressed with him and have admitted he's growing so fast that I'll never again say he can't do something. But no, I didn't on Leonard his first two years in the league. If anything, I was a stronger critic after that, when his stock was much higher.

[Kurik]

From what I can remember Murray wasn't the primary ball handler for many possessions, not to mention Simmons was getting all the plays called for him at the end lol. Hopefully Murray will be asked to run the offense a lot more in Vegas.

[dabom]

Don't be on the wrong side of history guys. Again.

[Mnky]

Lol. I'm sure he'll think that when he's shooting in the 30s as well.

That's pure speculation. What you were shown, says otherwise. I believe he needs to learn to distribute as well, but that game definitely wasn't the reason.

[BillMc]

I'm not disappointed. I'm just not excited. I'm satisfied that he looks like he can physically play minutes in the NBA (which wasn't obvious based on scouting reports). He's a project, and I think he showed he's worth the investment. But people thinking he makes Simmons expendable are way off base (and I am like the biggest Simmons critic on here). And especially over Patty. He'd stick out like a sore thumb on the real club right now. We're not used to low-efficiency chuckers, as much as certain posters assume we have one starting now.

Okay, cheers. I respect your points. But I'm excited. Kid has talent.

[Mnky]

Tony Parker all he ever needed to do was drive. Not pass. Not shot the 3. Not shoot the jumper. Not defend. He just needed the drive.

He doesn't have it.

This kid has that. And very very young. I can live the mistakes as long as he gets better. I heard the same about Kawhi until he had a full arsenal.

This kid will continue to improve and the posters will keep moving the goalpost.

I agree on Parker. He was a great guard, but he didn't have much responsibility at all for years.

[TheGreatYacht]

From what I can remember Murray wasn't the primary ball handler for many possessions, not to mention Simmons was getting all the plays called for him at the end lol. Hopefully Murray will be asked to run the offense a lot more in Vegas.

Hopefully he'll take the ball away from fat head in the 4th. Pretty sure he went 1/14 in the last two games.