Official 2016 Summer League Thread

[ace3g]

[BillMc]

I think people are being unfair to him. But I still want him to have to compete for his rotation spot.

Changing the subject a bit. Do you think Forbes needs to be blazing hot from the 3 nearly every game to realistically make the team? What's his margin for error? Thanks.

[Mnky]

Okay, let's just be clear: No. He's had other games besides this to see where he is currently. He has to develop. That's cool. Completely understandable. But don't act like he's a different player than he is just to try to strawman me.

This game. You said you saw it from this game.

[Emperor]

I get nervous seeing Murray drive in. One solid push/Horry hip check in the NBA would probably send him flying into the 5th row.

[benefactor]

Sort of early to judge a 19 yr old, but whatever.

[SAGirl]

Lorbek didn't look good out there, but I admittedly saw little of him.
I missed Cady, saw him grab an OBoard, was better than his last game but I really didn't get a grasp for him either.

[Atl Spur]

Strive for greatness young pup; everyone won't understand because there not supposed to!!!

[Kawhitstorm]

See, it's funny that people lol at guys like Crawford and Westbrook all the time for their shot-selection and then think it's great if Murray does it. I get that he's a rookie and will hopefully learn. But as I said, people have short memories. We just saw Simmons absolutely dominate two nights ago. Now that he had an off night, people are acting like it doesn't matter. But Murray isn't an efficient player. I'm glad he shot well today, but he'll likely have sub-40 games where he shoots just as often, and then people will notice and comment. But he won't be any different than he was tonight. Probability will just not be on his side then.

Simmons has a skillset that's good enough to dominate average athletes & disorganized defenses. Murray can breakdown a set defense & get his shot off against anyone even if he's a chucker. Simmons game is day & night based on the compe ion so it's not a surprise he wet the bed against the only SL team he faced that had NBA quality players. (Murray was being checked by probably the best PG in the SL )

Simmons is basically a poor man's Dion Waiters, Murray should eventually be a more efficient Jamal Crawford that will actually commit to playing defense in the Spurs system.

[Atl Spur]

*they're

[tholdren]

Changing the subject a bit. Do you think Forbes needs to be blazing hot from the 3 nearly every game to realistically make the team? What's his margin for error? Thanks.

No, but he can't shoot 30%, either. He was picked up because he was a shooter, that will hold weight. He shoots 40% and doesn't hesitate with his shots, he will get through.

[Chinook]

Changing the subject a bit. Do you think Forbes needs to be blazing hot from the 3 nearly every game to realistically make the team? What's his margin for error? Thanks.

I think if he shoots decently, he'll make it into camp. After that, he probably just has to beat out whoever is between him and the 15th spot. I like his chances. I think what helps him is that he also scores inside the arc. So even when he's not shooting well from deep, he can find ways to help his team. I think Pop will really appreciate that.

[Chinook]

This game. You said you saw it from this game.

Did you think that was a retort. I saw it this game. You're trying to pretend that that's not who he is. But we already know it is based off his time in college. This game just confirmed that he's still that guy, which is fine since he's been in the organization for all of two weeks.

[siraulo23]

Agreed this dude is 19, he's in the perfect place to develop and learn the game. Hopefully he's got the work ethic and drive to get better, overall not a bad showing for his first game played in a while (i think murray mentioned this iirc)

[coachmac87]

Changing the subject a bit. Do you think Forbes needs to be blazing hot from the 3 nearly every game to realistically make the team? What's his margin for error? Thanks.

I have Forbes making team over LJC IMO lol

[siraulo23]

Lorbek didn't look good out there, but I admittedly saw little of him.
I missed Cady, saw him grab an OBoard, was better than his last game but I really didn't get a grasp for him either.

I didnt even notice Lorbek was playing until late in the game he was that bad and a non factor, so damn slow too, he makes bonner look like steven adams in comparison

[Mnky]

Lorbek didn't look good out there, but I admittedly saw little of him.
I missed Cady, saw him grab an OBoard, was better than his last game but I really didn't get a grasp for him either.

Cady has been so underwhelming.

[Chinook]

Murray can breakdown a set defense & get his shot off against anyone even if he's a chucker.

I think you're being generous with your description of Murray's current game. He's been a low-efficiency guy for a while now. He can get his shot off in the sense that he can physically shoot the ball. But he's not going to be this guy in most games.

[Chinook]

I have Forbes making team over LJC IMO lol

Well, that's not going to happen.

[sasaint]

Changing the subject a bit. Do you think Forbes needs to be blazing hot from the 3 nearly every game to realistically make the team? What's his margin for error? Thanks.

He can definitely score. His stroke is sweet. But I think he needs to show something on defense. As SL progresses, that is what I hope to keep my eye on.

[sasaint]

Lorbek didn't look good out there, but I admittedly saw little of him.
I missed Cady, saw him grab an OBoard, was better than his last game but I really didn't get a grasp for him either.

Did Cady even touch the ball otherwise? Bigs don't really seem to even figure into the game plans - such as they are.

[SAGirl]

Simmons is significantly better right now, and he's currently slotted to be in the rotation between Manu and Anderson. He's not expendable unless they can get someone better to be the 10th man.

I think its a bad sign that they look very similar to me. I didn't think Simmons was really going to make it as the bench creator, though I know Pop and fans wanted to see if he could make it. I have always described him as better off the ball. Dijon can do the same basically. Problem is Dijon doesn't know how to play defense or shoot, whereas Simmons has had professional coaching for 3 seasons now. It's possible within a season or two Dijon will far surpass even this version of JSimms. So yea I am higher on Dijon. For this season, I have been hoping Bertans is a legit option as a backup SF, since he played professionally and is a better shooter but they will battle it out I guess.

[Mnky]

Did you think that was a retort. I saw it this game. You're trying to pretend that that's not who he is. But we already know it is based off his time in college. This game just confirmed that he's still that guy, which is fine since he's been in the organization for all of two weeks.

That was a retort.You're criticizing people for their evaluation of him. He had a good game and got a good evaluation. You suggest his game was bad and wouldn't translate well. His rebounding and driving are the most likely to translate. He had a very efficient game, which is the opposite of what bad decision making would be, which is what you suggest based on his previous film. That's fine, but it didn't come from this game. You had a bad review to a good game, then criticizized others for a good review of a good game. That's just silly.

And no, I'm not pretending he is something he isn't. You literally quoted me saying he needs to distribute better.

[Kawhitstorm]

I think you're being generous with your description of Murray's current game. He's been a low-efficiency guy for a while now. He can get his shot off in the sense that he can physically shoot the ball. But he's not going to be this guy in most games.

Isaiah Thomas was a low efficiency chucker in Washington, Murray has the same type of game as other Seattle point guards who model their games after the god-father Jamal Crawford. (Justin Dentmon is also a product of the same system but he couldn't be saved since he was already a grown ass man)

[GSH]

I think if he shoots decently, he'll make it into camp. After that, he probably just has to beat out whoever is between him and the 15th spot. I like his chances. I think what helps him is that he also scores inside the arc. So even when he's not shooting well from deep, he can find ways to help his team. I think Pop will really appreciate that.

Given the fact that Pop expects players to do more than stand and shoot, plus the way they structured his contract? Pretty good chance he gets really well acquainted with Austin. Might even be a good sign that they leave him there to get more minutes/touches because they think he is worth developing.

[GSH]

That was a retort.You're criticizing people for their evaluation of him. He had a good game and got a good evaluation. You suggest his game was bad and wouldn't translate well. His rebounding and driving are the most likely to translate. He had a very efficient game, which is the opposite of what bad decision making would be, which is what you suggest based on his previous film. That's fine, but it didn't come from this game. You had a bad review to a good game, then criticizized others for a good review of a good game. That's just silly.

And no, I'm not pretending he is something he isn't. You literally quoted me saying he needs to distribute better.

You've obviously got a bad case of the red-ass about something. Trying your damndest to prove Chinook wrong, even if you have to pick out some nitpicking thing to intentionally mis-interpret. It gets ing old.