Official 2016 Summer League Thread

[tonight...you]

Sort of early to judge a 19 yr old, but whatever.

You, of all people, are encouraged by performance on the court, yes?.
Be encouraged, brother. No need to anoint, but go ahead and like what you saw.

[tonight...you]

A lot of people here (probably most, if I remember right) thought CoJo was a bust, through his second season. So, yeah, it could happen. But the fact that you're talking about it says that you recognize that he needs to improve quite a bit still.

The problem with projects is that we make them eat their spinach, they grow up big and strong... and then we can't afford to keep them. That just got 10x worse with this new cap.

Salient words.

[SpurPadre]

He's most likely going to be playing the 4 this season, so let's look at how he fared when Diaw was out against the Duds:

-Led the team in rebounding while D-Worst had ZERO in 23 minutes: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...604070GSW.html

-Led the bench in rebounding: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...604100SAS.html

That still doesn't show the whole story, especially on the defensive side and now we have to look at what he would do should he have to guard KD and Draymond in limited minutes...talk about cringeworthy. The guy has value but he should never play meaningful minutes against these type of teams.

[Hoops Czar]

show me the numbers that prove that.

Kiwiwindbag smoking crack again. In the first game he linked, D-west outscored KA and had 11-8 and had 7 assists compared to KA's 3. In the second he referenced, West had 10 rebounds as a starter and while KA did lead the bench in rebounding, his compe ion was Paddy Mills, Manu Ginobili, Kevin Martin and Boban for 6 minutes.

[raybies]

[SAGirl]

People forget that Draymond Green was a bum for the first 2 seasons of his career despite staying for all 4 years at Michigan: http://bkref.com/tiny/pQx93

I have been tempted to bring up even Draymond's 3 pt shooting.
If Kyle's shooting hold this season, specially since he's not parked in a corner, but hitting the 3 from the wings and the top, could be MIP considering increased role, the team's need for his skillset, and improvement in his shooting.
I hype him up all the time, but independently of my fandom..
If kyle grows up as a player its for the best of the team.

[Kawhitstorm]

That still doesn't show the whole story, especially on the defensive side and now we have to look at what he would do should he have to guard KD and Draymond in limited minutes...talk about cringeworthy. The guy has value but he should never play meaningful minutes against these type of teams.

Why does he have to guard KD/Draymond when D-Worst is the backup 4?(Most likely will guard Iggy if it's the Death lineup)

Imagine D-Worst trying to guard Kyle.

[SpurPadre]

Why does he have to guard KD/Draymond when Iggy/Livingston are the backups?(Most likely will guard Iggy if it's the Death lineup)

if you guys expect ka to take the next step and with bobo gone, he may very well be considered to guard those guys in spots (hope not). And he can't guard an explosive and smaller Iggy.

[SpurPadre]

Kiwiwindbag smoking crack again. In the first game he linked, D-west outscored KA and had 11-8 and had 7 assists compared to KA's 3. In the second he referenced, West had 10 rebounds as a starter and while KA did lead the bench in rebounding, his compe ion was Paddy Mills, Manu Ginobili, Kevin Martin and Boban for 6 minutes.

And the biggest factor is that the other guys went up against the Dubs A players while KA was tasked with easier assignments.

[Kawhitstorm]

if you guys expect ka to take the next step and with bobo gone, he may very well be considered to guard those guys in spots (hope not). And he can't guard an explosive and smaller Iggy.

We're talking about the same Iggy that was being guarded by Kevin Love?

Besides, I'm not sure what so difficult about guarding Draymond 1-on-1 when he has no moves besides chucking up 3s or flopping trying to get calls on postups.

[T Park]

if you guys expect ka to take the next step and with bobo gone, he may very well be considered to guard those guys in spots (hope not). And he can't guard an explosive and smaller Iggy.

Iggy? Explosive? Maybe in his Philadelphia days....

[szkorhetz]

He always fills up the stat sheet and was putting similar games together towards the end of the regular season when he played enough minutes. Although obviously very low usage. His weakness has been playing off the ball bc he's not an ideal spot up shooter and that is what Pop reduced him to playing when it mattered. But he was always able to find himself playing time bc he contributes in many other areas beside scoring that ppl around here ignore. If he played enough minutes and had more opportunities to score he would produce a lot more. I am crossing fingers that he's found his 3 pt shot and that is here to stay. Didn't shoot it that well from 3 in this game, but he's been hitting the 3 very well. He's also not going to ever be an athletic guy but he knows how to play the team game.

Agreed.
Second team should be built up, to make Anderson the primary ballhandler and make life easier to Manu, essentially making him a 3 point shooter, just like Mills.

[dabom]

Fathead ball handling sucks in the NBA. Dude holds onto the ball too long and then has to shoot it.

[Nathan89]

Seems most his offense was either early transition type scores or scoring off-ball in half-court situations.

[Nathan89]

We're talking about the same Iggy that was being guarded by Kevin Love?

Besides, I'm not sure what so difficult about guarding Draymond 1-on-1 when he has no moves besides chucking up 3s or flopping trying to get calls on postups.

Yeah, Iggy gets guarded by big guys all of the time. He and Barnes basically get that type of treatment from other teams.

Richard Jefferson and Waiters were guarding Draymond just fine so KA shouldn't have much issues.

[Nathan89]

People forget that Draymond Green was a bum for the first 2 seasons of his career despite staying for all 4 years at Michigan: http://bkref.com/tiny/pQx93

Kyle needs some of those great off-ball players in the lineup like Draymond has.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kyle needs some of those great off-ball players in the lineup like Draymond has.

Forbes is one guy that can definitely play w/ Kyle, same should be true for Bertans. Kyle played well w/ Zach LaVine in college so Murray should fit in once he fixes his shot.

Upcoming season:

DD
Kyle
Simmons
Manu
Patty

Future:

DD
Kyle
Bertans
Forbes
Murray

[Kawhitstorm]

Seems most his offense was either early transition type scores or scoring off-ball in half-court situations.

Murray should be useful as a change of pace guy considering the starters are going to be running a LOT of postups or Porker PnRs.

[SnakeBoy]

Kid said all the right things except that he will personally tell Pop to yell at him

Don't tell me what to do rookie, now go sit your ass on the bench for a year.

[Kawhitstorm]

Agreed.
Second team should be built up, to make Anderson the primary ballhandler and make life easier to Manu, essentially making him a 3 point shooter, just like Mills.

The question is will Turnobili oblige to being demoted to a spot-up shooter?

[Obstructed_View]

He got one turnover tonight. Maybe that's what they wanted him to work on the most? Not worry about shooting percentages or whatever? When will people realize the SL is an incubator and learning environment?

But if you watched the game, you know that Simmons didn't change the way he charges into the lane with his head down any more than he did in the previous game. He dribbled the ball off his foot, got too deep, put up bad shots that didn't go in, and wasn't really any better on defense. He certainly didn't look like someone playing under control trying to take care of the ball.

I just watched Fathead and Simmons hero ball every time they touched the rock tonight but Dejounte looked anti-Spur?

Kid is 19yo, just signed his contract today, and balls out in his NBA debut and you expect more? He'll have plenty of time to learn the system when he's in Austin this upcoming season. Summer league isn't really the best place to judge bball IQ but he definitely passed the athleticism test from what I saw.

And tbh if the "Spur" definition of PG play is to be foreign and unathletic, I'd want Murray to be as anti-Spur as possible....

So much this. Anderson and Simmons score so many points on bad decisions in the paint that they can get away with because they're better athletes than everyone else. Murray comes in and gets layups and dunks in rhythm and people have a problem with that?

[ceperez]

Murray is going to be a starter........for the Austin Toros........He can and will get better but he needs to spend time with Chip and also get some hard loving coaching. If he can drop the en lement/ego thing then the sky is the limit. For me I hope they play him as a PG and have game where they say no shooting only passing and other games they say green light.

Exactly... needs many things (1) a consistent shot (2) lock down defense and (3) build muscle. I guess same thing that Anderson had to do.

The difference between Anderson and Murray is that Anderson knows his limitations, Murray probably thinks he's super talented... which he is not.

[raybies]

Seems most his offense was either early transition type scores or scoring off-ball in half-court situations.

Which would fit in well with KL and LMA. He'd have his opportunities and they didn't work we could run post. Also they were running him mostly as the point, so it looks like patfo wants to try him there first.

[picnroll]

Murray is going to yo yo between Austin and SA this year and when he's called up he'll get end of blow out scrub minutes.

Question: any body here think this kid and his agent will ever take a dime off his contract to allow the Spurs to make deals and get better?

[Chinook]

Murray is going to yo yo between Austin and SA this year and when he's called up he'll get end of blow out scrub minutes.

Question: any body here think this kid and his agent will ever take a dime off his contract to allow the Spurs to make deals and get better?

Dunno. That's not something that could be an issue for years, though. Kawhi didn't take a cent less off his second contract, and no other rookie should be expected to. So we're talking about 2025 before the team might be in position to ask him. That's too long to know how he'll develop and fit into team culture.