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If I were pulled over and carrying I'd keep my hands on the wheel and have the officer retrieve my ID for me. Keep your hands on the wheel at all times and follow orders. No back talking, no sudden movements, and just a lot of yes sirs.
Risk is greater for blacks. If a black has a concealed carry legally, they should follow a very strict protocol on how to tell the police if pulled over. I'm just not sure what that protocol is. It's not clear how one (mainly blacks) should show ID when asked to do so while carrying.
If I were pulled over and carrying I'd keep my hands on the wheel and have the officer retrieve my ID for me. Keep your hands on the wheel at all times and follow orders. No back talking, no sudden movements, and just a lot of yes sirs.
This is what I do...I might even ask them to handcuff me and search the vehicle at their leisure while I sit in the back seat of their patrol car...at least I will be alive...
Still though I hope these dirty pigs die a slow violent death...I just won't be the one to do iting got ass cracker pigs
100% agree. Two men pinning another person to the ground I would imagine that it is a natural human reaction for there to be "resistant" Eric Garner was choked to death while holding is arms up in an non threatening manner and I heard people saying that he was resisting, That is obviously B.S.
If someone were punching you the natural reaction would be to put your hands up to stop them, if someone is choking you the natural response is to try and remove their hands from your throat. If you fall natural reaction is to place your hands out in front to try and break your fall, I feel the same logic apply to this case, he wasn't resisting arrest and from what I have seen he did not have gun in his hand during the scuffle.
Sure that is a good rule of thumb but that does not seem to work for a segment of the population
clip of a man who was ordered to stop, he followed the officers directions and was shot several times after the officer asked him to get his registration.
The officer was fired.
You're wasting your time with TSA he's thinks all black shootings are justified in all contexts ....he's ok with it ....move along
Reminds me of the case of the church drummer Corey Jones ( a college graduate who also worked as a property manager of a housing authority) in Florida who was waiting for AAA when an unmarked van pulled up behind him.
He was killed by an undercover cop, who shot at him six times. Th cop never identified himself and admitted that the man never pointed his legally purchase gun that he was carrying at the time at him.
Well aware of his rep, still baffles me someone can be that hardheaded about an issue such as police brutality. Even if he doesn't like blacks, he should at least care about the overwhelming amount of tax payer dollars that major cities are having to pay out to families because of poor policing.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/cost-of-police-misconduct-cases-soars-in-big-u-s-cities-1437013834
The 10 cities with the largest police departments paid out $248.7 million last year in settlements and court judgments in police-misconduct cases, up 48% from $168.3 million in 2010, according to data gathered by The Wall Street Journal through public-records requests.
Those cities collectively paid out $1.02 billion over those five years in such cases, which include alleged beatings, shootings and wrongful imprisonment. When claims related to car collisions, property damage and other police incidents are included, the total rose to more than $1.4 billion.
Couldn't agree more...he has his head in the sand like so many others...they can't see the forest for the trees...and I bet he's a bible thumping Christian like so many of those morons
Don't hate blacks and not a Christian.Couldn't agree more...he has his head in the sand like so many others...they can't see the forest for the trees...and I bet he's a bible thumping Christian like so many of those morons
Dude would still be alive today had he not threatened a man with a gun and had the cops called on him and then not follow the instructions of the cops. Dead felon illegally carrying a gun and threatening people doesn't blip my give a meter.
Black man pinned to the ground and shot at point blank range by police and you don't care? Maybe you do have some issues with blacks and but not police who use deadly force in situations that don't call for it.
Find it fascinating that Dylann Roof murdered 9 Blacks and fled the state, was peacefully apprehended, and later taken to Burger King by police while this guy got the bullets. Where does that rank on your "my give a meter"?
That video I posted was of a black man following police orders and he was shot several times as a result. Where does that rank on your "my give a meter"?
TSA is sick....something went wrong along the way of his childhood
Look, I agree with you on people seemingly showing less empathy when cops kill minorities than others, but using one off examples like Roof vs Sterling makes no sense to me. There are probably literally 100's of examples of Black people not being shot and taken into custody (look at the number of Black people in jail) then situations where they get shot.
That doesn't excuse the cases where minorities are shot by police when other means could have been used. But the point is cherry picking things, even though there are plenty of examples, doesn't help IMO.
Just like plenty of White people were killed by cops and not taken in like Roof (or the snipers in Dallas). I still have not had anyone show me numbers that refute more White people are killed by cops than Black people. I know people like the play the "probabilities" game when it comes to this to say "Blacks are "x" times more likely that Whites".
To me, are those numbers even statistically relevant numbers/sample sizes? When you are talking about 500-1000 Blacks being killed by cops each year, in a population of maybe 40+ million Blacks in the USA? That is .000025%.
A crude example not related to the severity of what we are talking about at all, but if you give a person who is worth 1 penny another penny, you have doubled their wealth (100%). That 100% is not the same as giving a person worth $1M another $1M even though the % (100%) is the same.
I'm not even talking about the number of black on black deaths either - that is completely irrelevant in my eyes since cops are in a position of power. That's why cops killing citizens should be damned and looked at closer than anything. They are paid to protect and if they are going to take a life, they better be damn sure they are in the right.
But the point was the cherry picking and numbers game doesn't make sense to me.
Not to sound callus at all, but when you are trying to play the numbers game and talk probabilities vs ACTUAL numbers it does not make sense to me when that sample size is so small.
From what I have seen and I would want to see otherwise (But no one has been able to point me in the right direction):
More actual Whites are killed by cops than Blacks.
How many Blacks killed by cops are considered questionable?
How many Blacks killed by cops are at the hands of White cops?
The notion that this does not happen to Whites creates a really bad narrative that not only causes racial tension (IMO) but also takes away from the point of weeding out the bad cops that do exist.
I think when you stop trying to play the numbers game, to see what problems exist you see the real issue which is cops either flat out abusing their power or at best are so jumpy and poorly trained that these killings happen.
But pointing out cherry picked moments to drive a wedge has never made sense to me.
I agree 100% on the numbers I have seen that Blacks/Minorites are targeted and disproportionally punished for the same crimes as their White counterparts. That I believe.
When it comes to being killed by cops though? It happens to just as many if not more ACTUAL White humans as Blacks.
Two fundamental issues at work here:
1. Cops are militant, aren't socially adept and don't have flexibility in their judgement. They are indoctrinated by scare training using videos and stories of officers being gunned down. They sit in squad cars with their partners and discuss "what I would do" and "if it ever goes down" scenarios and get worked up. They treat 99% of their encounters as if they are the .001% of the cases they see in videos so they in turn create chaos where it otherwise would not be.
1a. A fairly high percentage of academy grads are gun lovers. They like shooting. They don't have a problem with pointing a gun at another human being.
1b. There's an "us vs them" mentality where cops are basically a unionized militant force dropped into hostile territory and the hostiles are civilians.
2. The shootings happen by and large against low income minorities, because a high number of them carry a gun since they feel they need to either for cultural reasons or a group think mentality that "someone is out to kill me".
2a. Oddly they rarely use the gun to defend themselves successfully.
2b. Coupled with the quick anger trigger, the presence of a gun escalates the confrontation into a life/death struggle for both parties.
I have a CHL but I rarely carry. I've been pulled over a few times while carrying and I tell the officer right away that I am carrying and ask what they want me to do about it. I am not legally required to do this now, but me telling them sets the stage for quick turn around and lowers tensions should they discover I have it. A modi of common sense goes a long way.
If I was carrying illegally like a lot of minorities do, I would have to decided if going to jail for illegal possession of a firearm is worth it vs what could happen if the cop sees the gun and misunderstands my intentions.
Unfortunately uneducated cops and uneducated street minorities are a really bad combination. However the blame falls on the cops, because unlike the street minority the cop has the power to stop and harass you at will. With that power comes responsibility. Folks minding their own business get pulled over and shot by some scared less Barney Fife, that's unacceptable.
Another problem is the public gets saturated with a partial recording of an event and they connect the dots using confirmation bias. Retaliation ensues without really knowing the full story. This could be thwarted more easily if there was more transparency with police departments, if they weren't behind the scenes cleaning up their ups and getting their stories in sync.
WTF? Did someone inject you with truth serum crack.... This is crazy... One of the most racist cats on this site with a legit honest non racist opinion....
Hold on....just WTF is going on here?
I am not saying that Whites don't get shot my the police or aren't targets of police brutality but I have my doubts that they are subjected to some of the things that blacks and Hispanics are by the police, worse yet these groups seem to get a raw deal in the judicial system. Issues such as sentencing disparities come in to play. I mentioned Roof not to cherry pick but to illustrate that sometimes doing the right thing can get a black killed while a white person may get more leeway. We've seen in the past after mass shooting where Whites have been apprehended after shooting multiple such as the shooter in Aura Colorado, and Tuscon Arizona while Blacks have been handled with excessive force for doing something as petty as allegedly selling loose cigarettes.
Whites outnumber Blacks 5:1 in the Unites States so naturally there are going to be more Whites killed by sheer number than Blacks. To use a crude example of my own it would be like asking why a player who takes five shots a game isn't outscoring another who taking twenty shots per game. There is a reason why various sites use "times as likely" over raw totals because raw totals are remarkably misleading. Sites like Vox takes into account population proportion.
**For example** (not real statistics but to illustrate a point)
1000 people killed by the police
White-425
Black -325
Hispanics-225
Other-25
White-42.5%
Black -32.5 %
Hispanics-22.5%
Other-2.5%
This is why "times as likely" over raw totals is far more accurate. In the example above Whites are killed at a higher volume but when compared to the actual overall population it is actually 10% lower than 53%, while Blacks would be 2.5 times more likely to be shot because they make up less than 13%
I have heard complaints on the media narrative of white cops vs. black victims being use to divide but I view this is more of the media finally giving attention to something that has long sense been an issue in minority communities. The Watts riots in the mid 1960's were a by product on anger and resentment of police by blacks but the first major national coverage of actual police brutality occurred nearly 30 years later when King was beaten by police on video.
BTW black on black crime is a misnomer. When looking at crime date Whites and Hispanics both have high rates of crime within their race. It has been proven that it has more to do with proximity than anything else. Blacks are more likely to live in areas that are predominantly black so they commit crimes in that area, the same can be said for whites and Hispanics. The KKK has been using the "black on black" narrative for years as a means to justify their claim that whites are superior to blacks.
I agree.
That gets into a larger issue of police closing ranks when officers are involved in shootings.
The MacDonald shooting that took place in Chicago, illustrates that. The officer that killed the man had a several officers witness the actions but they corroborated his false story.
The department actually deleted footage of the murder from a surveillance camera from an Burger King.
Powerful video - but was the officer in Louisana and/or Minny White?
No offense, but I still don't agree with the numbers. If you are using probabilities things have to be statistically relevant.
I understand math; I get the logic of your example. My point is it's really pointless because whether or not there are more Whites than Blacks, the number of people being killed by cops is so statistically small, percentages and probabilities don't make sense.
Especially when saying "this doesn't happen to whites". It clearly does. It seems that more Whites are killed at the hands of police than Blacks are. If the killing were a race issue, you would not see so many Whites killed, despite having a bigger population.
I already said I 100% believe Blacks or any minorities are targeted and unfairly punished for equal crimes in comparison to their white counterparts. That is proven and makes perfect sense.
But like I tried to differentiate and you did as well, being killed by the cops (which is the poster for BLM) is the focus here (while being punished for crimes/thrown in jail is a separate but equally important topic). To say "it doesn't happen to Whites" (which I think Jesse Williams said or alluded to) is flat out wrong.
We have seen what appears to be Black Snipers in Dallas killing cops apprehended and not taken in. We have seen how many Blacks in prison that were obviously not killed and taken in vs being shot?
It's not ok to use funny math in small sample sizes because math can do tricks with small sample sizes.
For example, of the murders in this country per year, how many are committed by blacks (regardless of the race murdered)? Like you said, there are reasons why blacks may be in those situations (poor, systemic oppression, etc..), but do you buy into the math then when it says blacks are "X' percent of the population but commit "Y" percent of the murders?
Your point about proximity is exactly what I am saying. Who is committing the most crimes? Where is it happening.
It stops being a race thing and has to do with a poor thing/community thing. Whites in poor areas are killing other whites. Just like Blacks in poor areas killing other blacks. In those areas, Whites are also shot and killed by police.
It's happening to everyone and making the police killings only about blacks when in fact more whites are being killed than blacks (not statistics, I'm talking about ACTUAL HUMAN BODIES) takes aways from the issue.
I agree with minorities getting unfair punishments compared to white counterparts, but that is different (no less important) than saying whites aren't killed by cops.
It's not because of race. Race has nothing to do with in in fact. That's just a correlation, not a cause. It's because of the at ude that "you're not going to detain me" or "I don't recognize your authority over me so off" is a predominately low income street culture characteristic and it clashes with the "take control of the situation" edict cops are taught. The "let me lie to you a little while, le't shuck and jive while I move my hand toward my pocket or lower back" at ude lower income folks have with each other is transferred to cops as well. They don't separate how they react to a random stranger asking them to comply and a cop doing so and cops or the system cannot beat them into compliance, not as a society. Education is the answer.
Riots are fueled by hysteria and the large majority of the participants are opportunists, not protesters. The opportunists destroy any message protesters have by looting, burning and basically acting like low income street people. I'd bet the majority of "rioters" are just looking for a score.
To be fair, it was a homeless guy harassing him for money. Some of these homeless s are thugs themselves.
Yup. This is a huge issue and the culture of police has to change in this regard. The good cops have to do what's right and stop protecting those who do wrong and abuse their position of power.
That gets into a larger issue of police closing ranks when officers are involved in shootings.
The MacDonald shooting that took place in Chicago, illustrates that. The officer that killed the man had a several officers witness the actions but they corroborated his false story.
The department actually deleted footage of the murder from a surveillance camera from an Burger King.
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