Manu for $14 million

[Mel_13]

Please explain this to me. Not a rhetorical question; I am genuinely interested in understanding how a $10M salary only counts as $5.5M on the cap. If it is true that anything over $5.5M does not count against the cap, then by all means pay the man.

The details are here:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q14

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38

In short, teams must account for their own free agents for the purpose of determining available cap space (see the first link). That 'cap hold' is calculated based on their prior salary and status. The Spurs had full Bird Rights on Manu. Bird Rights allow a team to sign a player to any amount up to the maximum salary.

His cap hold of 5.5M was determined by the formula in the second link. Manu was a Bird's Rights FA, coming off a year in which he was paid less than the average salary. Therefore, his cap hold was 190% of last year's 2.8M+ salary.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, you are a contrary bas , aren't you? Nah, I'm kidding. You always have good reasons, and I appreciate the different perspective every time.

Yeah, I guess if he didn't feel pretty sure they were going to pay him later, then he just took a leap of faith to help the team. The whole story about what all they supposedly thought was going to happen this offseason sounds a little fishy. And I'm a little surprised that they thought Manu was going to come back for $3M. I figured he was going to get paid more to make up for last year, but not that much more.

Anyway, good for Manu for getting paid. And good for the Spurs for not letting him end his career somewhere else. And if there was a wink-wink deal, good for all of them for coming up with a good cover story.




Well Manu definitely deserved at least $5.5M, even by last year's standards. And, yes, he deserved to be paid for taking less last year. So it didn't affect FA signings. Congrats, and welcome back Manu!

[Sean Cagney]

welcome back gino. he drives sales w jerseys n attendance which doesnt include concessions n down business sales at bars n rest..etc

Most forget this is a business and that stuff right there counts. That is money in their pockets.

[DPG21920]

Please explain this to me. Not a rhetorical question; I am genuinely interested in understanding how a $10M salary only counts as $5.5M on the cap. If it is true that anything over $5.5M does not count against the cap, then by all means pay the man.

Also, to go along with Mel's great explanation (also, save the links he gave you, that CBA FAQ is the basketball holy grail), Manu's money all counts against the cap - it just doesn't count until AFTER SA has used the cap space (with Manu's cap hold) to sign other FA's.

The 14M cost 14M, but when determining the cap space SA had to sign other FA's, the 5M cap hold was all that counted if that makes sense.

[baseline bum]

I'm glad to see Manu get that contract after taking paycuts most of his career. He definitely deserves to be paid this season.

[HarlemHeat37]

Even ignoring the fact that it doesn't mean anything significant to the Spurs' cap situation, Ginobili is definitely worth 10 mil per season under the new CBA, tbh..that looks like a pretty standard number for a key bench contributor, nowadays, let alone a guy that still ranks very highly in virtually all per-minute metrics..

[Crazymaddopeyo]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2016/7...-lots-of-money

Apparently He was offered 30million for 2 years by the 76ers. He definitely took less for us.

[TheGreatYacht]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2016/7...-lots-of-money

Apparently He was offered 30million for 2 years by the 76ers. He definitely took less for us.

The second year had non-guaranteed money.

[ElNono]

The second year had non-guaranteed money.

The first year did... that would have guaranteed Ginobili in the first year between $16-17 million.

Basically, he gave us a hometown discount, and he's clearly underpaid, tbh...

Thank you Gino

[TheGreatYacht]

The first year did... that would have guaranteed Ginobili in the first year between $16-17 million.

Basically, he gave us a hometown discount, and he's clearly underpaid, tbh...

Thank you Gino

He cost us Boban.

Held the Spurs hostage saying he's leaving, so loyal

[ElNono]

He cost us Boban.

Held the Spurs hostage saying he's leaving, so loyal

underpaidPERIOD

[TheGreatYacht]

underpaidPERIOD

If he's underpaid, Parker is underpaid

BOOKMARKED

[RD2191]

Is it 10 or 14?

[ElNono]

Is it 10 or 14?

14 Rob... PM me, I got your cut here...

[TheGreatYacht]

Is it 10 or 14?

14M. Same salary as when 6 happened

[ElNono]

If he's underpaid, Parker is underpaid

BOOKMARKED

I wouldn't mind Tony on a $20m deal, if it's only a one year deal.

[RD2191]

14 Rob... PM me, I got your cut here...

Muh , you the real MVP.

[HarlemHeat37]

Whether you like it or not, the Spurs are still relying on Ginobili to be the anchor of the bench, tbh..unless Kyle Anderson has a huge leap, Manu is the #1 guy in the 2nd unit, which makes his salary understandable, even ignoring the other factors..

For comparison's sake among teams that have a bench anchor(or several):

Crabbe- 18 mil
Al Jefferson- 10 mil
Jamal Crawford- 14 mil
Tyler Johnson- 12 mil
Austin Rivers- 12 mil
Evan Turner- 17.5 mil
Will Barton- 3.5 mil pre-cap boom
Iguodala- 12 mil pre-cap boom
Greg Monroe- 17 mil pre-cap boom
Rubio?- 14 mil pre-cap boom
Eric Gordon- 13 mil
Jeff Green- 15 mil
Bledsoe or Knight- 14 mil pre-cap boom

[spursistan]

I think Manu would have pulled a Wade had PATFO legit lowballed him to the end with anything under 10 millions..

We spurfans easily forget the business side of this..Dude still has 3 kids he wants to secure the future; he might buy the wifey an expensive gift as a thankyou for her support and sacrifices during the entirety of his career..so, yeah 3-5 million $ wasn't going to cut it and i wouldn't blame him.. it isn't like he had Joe Johnson bank account + the exploding cap helped in that regard....

[TheGreatYacht]

Peter Holt saw this coming and retired, tbh.

[Drom John]

No one is talking about the éléphant in the room.
$14M is Tony Parker money.

[RD2191]

No one is talking about the éléphant in the room.
$14M is Tony Parker money.

It's funny because he's fat.

[GSH]

No one is talking about the éléphant in the room.
$14M is Tony Parker money.

Well the statement is true. I'm not sure whether you think that's good or bad, or why. I do know that comparing contracts signed this year to any signed before is a lost cause. Nothing makes sense.

[gilmor]

I'm supposed to get a cut too, tbh... plus taxes, fees, etc... round it up to $14m...

Haha.. U should get 20M.. in indian rupees

[ElNono]

Haha.. U should get 20M.. in indian rupees

You've been telling me he's gonna retire for two seasons now... I guess next season you might finally be right